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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 1, 2019 19:20:56 GMT -5
I kind of disagree with you Jerry on this one. 2 catchers is enough because you need the other spaces on the 25 man roster.I find it hard to believe that any one of these three catchers are long term solutions. Swihart is probably going to be traded in spring training, Leon is just a backup, and Vazquez is arguably not even worth the money on his new current contract. Realmuto would be the best upgrade the team can possibly get outside of bullpen help maybe. It's just impossible for the Sox to land him. Maybe in free agency in 2 years they'll land Realmuto. Sure, I can see that. But the last player (likely Swihart) has some other positional value. Also, Cora proved he can manage a bench pretty successfully. A trade isn't a terrible idea, but for right now the position is pretty solid, despite severe underperformance last year. I don't know about that Jerry. Swihart kind of proved last year that he might need everyday at bats in order to hit even a little, he wasn't a good at bat off the bench. It's probably a role that's not suited best for him. Swihart provided negative value last year off the bench. The Sox are better off letting him try getting his career and at bats on track with a different organization.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 1, 2019 19:29:42 GMT -5
Not sure where that's listed, or if it even is listed. In any event, pitch calling is a) impossible to quantify with any real confidence and b) not going to save anyone from -55 run offensive performance. Even his Steamer projection has him getting back to .256/.306/.368, which still isn't great, but it's tolerable from a good defensive catcher. The other two... yeeeesh. Is Vazquez a good defensive catcher? Maybe, but highly debatable. I don't think it's highly debatable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 1, 2019 19:40:18 GMT -5
Is Vazquez a good defensive catcher? Maybe, but highly debatable. I don't think it's highly debatable. He is not great at blocking balls behind the plate. He is not great at receiving throws from the outfield. Leon has a catcher's ERA that is at least one earned run less per start. Vazquez makes stupid pick off plays behind runners all the time and causes wild throws because of it. Yes I think so.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2019 19:45:32 GMT -5
The 3 catcher thing can work if you’re willing to actually pinch hit for your catchers earlier in games but Cora didn’t do that much last year so it kind of defeats the purpose from a game to game situation. Last year it was about keeping an asset and the roster being flexible enough for it to not matter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 1, 2019 20:32:37 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2019 20:57:39 GMT -5
Cool - these signings are fine but they need legit options too - unfortunately those have mostly dried up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 1, 2019 21:41:43 GMT -5
Cool - these signings are fine but they need legit options too - unfortunately those have mostly dried up. I guess we could look at it this way. Dave Dombrowski is doing everything he can to shore up Pawtucket's bullpen to help them compete in the International League.
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Post by bosox on Feb 1, 2019 21:52:33 GMT -5
Cool - these signings are fine but they need legit options too - unfortunately those have mostly dried up. I guess we could look at it this way. Dave Dombrowski is doing everything he can to shore up Pawtucket's bullpen to help them compete in the International League. As well as the Pawtucket outfield with Gorkys Hernandez, Brentz and Aneury Tavarez.
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Post by bosox on Feb 1, 2019 22:08:49 GMT -5
And the hits keep coming - yet another signing:
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 1, 2019 22:15:12 GMT -5
Cool - these signings are fine but they need legit options too - unfortunately those have mostly dried up. I guess we could look at it this way. Dave Dombrowski is doing everything he can to shore up Pawtucket's bullpen to help them compete in the International League. Trying to bring a title before they move the team
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 1, 2019 23:59:36 GMT -5
I bet the Realmuto market is holding up a Swihart trade for a relief pitcher or two.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 2, 2019 0:02:30 GMT -5
I bet the Realmuto market is holding up a Swihart trade for a relief pitcher or two. Yeah it definitely is. The Marlins for example are a team that could trade one of their relievers in a package of Swihart and something else if they trade Realmuto.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 2, 2019 0:18:20 GMT -5
Dombrowski holding true to form, gambling on those power arms, trusting in his sidekick Bannister to turn lead into gold.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 2, 2019 1:00:24 GMT -5
Is it me but does it seem all these guys he has signed (I think Putnum is probably the exception) cannot throw strikes to save their lives. They make Kimbrel look like a control pitcher.
Bannister and Levangie have their work cut out for them.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 2, 2019 8:17:27 GMT -5
With the signing of Eovaldi I think for the most part DD's free agent acquisitions are done. He probably trades a catcher (Leon) for something & maybe he offers Pomeranz an incentive loaded deal but other then that I think the roster is mostly set. There’s no chance they aren’t adding to the bullpen. What do you think now, 2 months later?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2019 9:18:04 GMT -5
There’s no chance they aren’t adding to the bullpen. What do you think now, 2 months later? I think the team with the most expensive payroll is actually being cheap.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 2, 2019 9:32:24 GMT -5
Remarkable stability for our roster....we are just a few weeks from throwing out the first pitch in a spring training game....Wow.
Projected roster still showing one acquisition on the pitching side, and one inactive hitter - Swihart.
what if anything much will happen in the next few weeks?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 2, 2019 10:58:15 GMT -5
Remarkable stability for our roster....we are just a few weeks from throwing out the first pitch in a spring training game....Wow. Projected roster still showing one acquisition on the pitching side, and one inactive hitter - Swihart. what if anything much will happen in the next few weeks? They need to resign Kimbrel, but they wont
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Post by telson13 on Feb 2, 2019 22:53:22 GMT -5
Lol...sitting 95 from the L will always get you a look. I like it. Longshot but they obviously think the coaching staff can sort one or two of these guys out. Too bad they didn’t get Luke Hagerty instead of the Cubs.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 2, 2019 23:05:00 GMT -5
Is it me but does it seem all these guys he has signed (I think Putnum is probably the exception) cannot throw strikes to save their lives. They make Kimbrel look like a control pitcher. Bannister and Levangie have their work cut out for them. I think that’s the idea. The control/command issues are what make them essentially valueless. Banking on Bannister/Levangie to tweak deliveries or positioning on the rubber, or arm angle...hope they can figure it out. Unlikely for one, but a lot better odds when you have 4-5. I know Bannister did some work with Barnes last year to raise (?) his CB release point just a few inches, because even the slight difference was a tell for CB vs FB. Seemed to make a difference too...Barnes threw those 14/15 CBs vs the Astros and they had no idea. Could be that little tweaks like that unlock a guy’s potential by eliminating a critical flaw. It’s def “scarier” than signing one or two pretty reliable guys, but with enough volume, theoretically you can eliminate the difference in risk at very low cost. It’s gonna be a fascinating experiment, at least. If they can actually make it work...imagine how incredibly valuable that would be. Sort of like when Searage was doing the SP reclamation thing for Pittsburg. With the value high-end relievers have, the Sox could possibly flip guys for legit prospects, once their own are ready. New market inefficiency?
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Post by sparkygian on Feb 8, 2019 1:19:04 GMT -5
Maybe it's just silly sentimentalism, however I'd think it would be nice to see Bucholz pitch for Sox this year. He's still unsigned, and clearly the guy is a crafty, wiley pitcher at this stage of his career -- he's always had a good arsenal of pitches. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to be shut down at some point of the season, as usual, and I'm sure that's why he's not signed, so he'll most likely have to sign for a minimal contract. Since Sox are making gambles with all these other long shot pitchers, a minimal gamble on Bucholz could end up being very valuable, or just another injury-marred season. An ERA of 2.01 over 16 games last season is definitely noteworthy though.
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Post by sparkygian on Feb 8, 2019 1:22:13 GMT -5
Would really be nice to know what DD is truly thinking about Chavis; is he optimistic about him at all? It seems like there's been very little buzz about him at all this offseason, yet if he murders AAA pitching over first month or two, kind of like what he did in Salem two year's ago, a decision will seem to need to be made about him and his future with the Sox, and it would seem that DD's already thought this over, so is 1b in order for him to be able to play for Sox this year?
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Post by sarasoxer on Feb 8, 2019 8:45:21 GMT -5
Maybe it's just silly sentimentalism, however I'd think it would be nice to see Bucholz pitch for Sox this year. He's still unsigned, and clearly the guy is a crafty, wiley pitcher at this stage of his career -- he's always had a good arsenal of pitches. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to be shut down at some point of the season, as usual, and I'm sure that's why he's not signed, so he'll most likely have to sign for a minimal contract. Since Sox are making gambles with all these other long shot pitchers, a minimal gamble on Bucholz could end up being very valuable, or just another injury-marred season. An ERA of 2.01 over 16 games last season is definitely noteworthy though. Agree except that Buch throws 90-92 in an era of big gun arms that also happen to give DD a tingle.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2019 10:14:38 GMT -5
Maybe it's just silly sentimentalism, however I'd think it would be nice to see Bucholz pitch for Sox this year. He's still unsigned, and clearly the guy is a crafty, wiley pitcher at this stage of his career -- he's always had a good arsenal of pitches. I wouldn't be surprised if he had to be shut down at some point of the season, as usual, and I'm sure that's why he's not signed, so he'll most likely have to sign for a minimal contract. Since Sox are making gambles with all these other long shot pitchers, a minimal gamble on Bucholz could end up being very valuable, or just another injury-marred season. An ERA of 2.01 over 16 games last season is definitely noteworthy though. I know Buchholz pitched well last year - when he pitched, but I can't say I feel sentimental about a reunion with him. Wish him the best of luck (and thanks for those gutsy 4 innings in Game 4 of the 2013 World Series when he was injured) - elsewhere.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 8, 2019 10:48:04 GMT -5
I have to imagine Buchholz would rather have a full time starting gig that we can't offer him in Boston.
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