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Post by danredhawk on Oct 13, 2018 20:28:45 GMT -5
They're not putting up good at bats - they have one hit and they're waking at a high rate because he's throwing a lot of balls. Many that aren't even close to the zone. You could have walked on sale tonight. A number of the early pitches were simply non-competitive. Yet your argument is they're smoking every mistake? If you're going to melt down in the third at least get your story straight... Okay, they don't swing at strikes, yet it's not good at bats. I could do this, yeap. Sure my story isn't straight. I'm not melting. SALE has done this two years in a row now. It's not a good AB if you don't swing at a ball that has to be measured in distance from the plate in feet. But I'm not surprised you don't get that... Why are you incapable of ever admitting a mistake or an overreaction of any kind. It's no endearing...
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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 13, 2018 20:29:04 GMT -5
Hard to believe but Sale could still have zeros up if a certain play had been made...
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 13, 2018 20:29:10 GMT -5
See, this is why Alex Cora is the manager and not me. LOL
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Post by jbuttah on Oct 13, 2018 20:29:54 GMT -5
Was that just a 89mph fastball?
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Post by danredhawk on Oct 13, 2018 20:30:15 GMT -5
Okay, they don't swing at strikes, yet it's not good at bats. I could do this, yeap. Sure my story isn't straight. I'm not melting. SALE has done this two years in a row now. It's not a good AB if you don't swing at a ball that has to be measured in distance from the plate in feet. But I'm not surprised you don't get that... Why are you incapable of ever admitting a mistake or an overreaction of any kind. It's not endearing...
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 13, 2018 20:30:58 GMT -5
So, seems mechanics, not an injury...time for the offense to get their ass in gear and pick Sale up.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 13, 2018 20:31:05 GMT -5
so i guess good thing we didn't go to Kelly at the start of the third ...
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Post by jbuttah on Oct 13, 2018 20:31:15 GMT -5
They have to sign Eovaldi to an extension. He's pretty much the only "October" pitcher on this staff.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 20:32:11 GMT -5
I don't get what you're trying to say really. You're giving credit to the Astros for getting good at bats and blaming Sale for bad command, while making a point to not say Sale can't pitch against the Astros. Not a lot of teams can put these good at bats together. I wasn't blaming Sale for pitching bad tonight specifically, I'm blaming Sale for doing this two years in a row against the Astros. No, that is not what I said. I said that the Astros put good at bats against all pitchers. Just because Chris Sale is pitching doesn't mean that's going to change. If Sale is Sale then he could definitley shut them down. I also never said you were blaming him for pitching badly. What YOU did say is that Sale can't pitch against the Astros based on two games, one of which (tonight) he is clearly not right/himself. It's a complete overreaction to state that based off of two starts. Two games that matter the most. This is a trend when things keep repeating itself.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Oct 13, 2018 20:32:40 GMT -5
Cmon benny let's get it going.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 20:34:21 GMT -5
Okay, they don't swing at strikes, yet it's not good at bats. I could do this, yeap. Sure my story isn't straight. I'm not melting. SALE has done this two years in a row now. It's not a good AB if you don't swing at a ball that has to be measured in distance from the plate in feet. But I'm not surprised you don't get that... Why are you incapable of ever admitting a mistake or an overreaction of any kind. It's no endearing... Because not EVERY PITCH WAS MEASURED IN FEET. Sale was throwing chase pitches ON TOP OF THE PITCHES TO PITCHES THAT WAS FEET OUTSIDE.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 13, 2018 20:34:21 GMT -5
it just hurts that Sale had this injury problem this year. He is gutting it out, I feel like he deserves better. Just terrible luck. It's not really luck, this is his career, and his body frame. He fades down the stretch. Maybe next year they will be significantly more proactive in getting him rest. I thought they tried to do it this year, but maybe he just happened to be actually injured.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 13, 2018 20:35:14 GMT -5
OK. We need some runs. We are going to get some.
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Post by klostrophobic on Oct 13, 2018 20:35:27 GMT -5
Hard to believe but Sale could still have zeros up if a certain play had been made... If only Devers had been playing. Imagine a manager who plays the better player. Haven't had that since Francona.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 13, 2018 20:36:00 GMT -5
No, that is not what I said. I said that the Astros put good at bats against all pitchers. Just because Chris Sale is pitching doesn't mean that's going to change. If Sale is Sale then he could definitley shut them down. I also never said you were blaming him for pitching badly. What YOU did say is that Sale can't pitch against the Astros based on two games, one of which (tonight) he is clearly not right/himself. It's a complete overreaction to state that based off of two starts. Two games that matter the most. This is a trend when things keep repeating itself. A trend is not two games. "Keep repeating itself" is also not two games. As another poster just stated, you have been known for a long time to overreact to anything and everything. I'm done with this conversation at this point. It's pointless to even try and talk reason with someone who is this set in their view.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 13, 2018 20:36:53 GMT -5
They have to sign Eovaldi to an extension. He's pretty much the only "October" pitcher on this staff. And over here we have a Rick Porcello. But yes, 4 more years for Eovaldi.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 20:37:21 GMT -5
Two games that matter the most. This is a trend when things keep repeating itself. A trend is not two games. "Keep repeating itself" is also not two games. As another poster just stated, you have been known for a long time to overreact to anything and everything. I'm done with this conversation at this point. It's pointless to even try and talk reason with someone who is this set in their view. For the record Sale has appeared in THREE games and done this against the Astros in the playoffs. When is the trend starting then Mr. Logical then?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 13, 2018 20:37:24 GMT -5
it just hurts that Sale had this injury problem this year. He is gutting it out, I feel like he deserves better. Just terrible luck. It's not really luck, this is his career, and his body frame. He fades down the stretch. Maybe next year they will be significantly more proactive in getting him rest. I thought they tried to do it this year, but maybe he just happened to be actually injured. This year it is an injury, he didn't pitch for whatever time it was, I can't believe it is anything but that. Last year it wasn't velo, but lost his slider. His velo is down, to me, he isn't 100%
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 13, 2018 20:37:44 GMT -5
Nunez is in because he hits Verlander reasonably well, I suspect. My preference would have been Devers as well.
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Post by danredhawk on Oct 13, 2018 20:38:47 GMT -5
It's not a good AB if you don't swing at a ball that has to be measured in distance from the plate in feet. But I'm not surprised you don't get that... Why are you incapable of ever admitting a mistake or an overreaction of any kind. It's no endearing... Because not EVERY PITCH WAS MEASURED IN FEET. Sale was throwing chase pitches ON TOP OF THE PITCHES TO PITCHES THAT WAS FEET OUTSIDE. And the chase pitches don't work when you're behind and throwing more balls and strikes. MANY of which are WELL out of the zone. Any team would have walked ALOT in this scenario. Honestly this is sad. You can still melt down about Sales performance - it wasn't good. Shouldn't that be good enough? Why do you have to pretend it's something that it's not. And why can't you admit it was a command problem and not an Astros problem. I assure you everyone on the board can see it for why it is. You're not going to win the argument against reality no matter how much of a fight you try to put up. If he doesn't throw two liders a foot off the plate to start the Maldonado AB it's probably a no hit shut out despite how bad he's been. So you could even make the argument the Astros have completely failed to truly take advantage of how bad he's been. I'm done with you. Hey your last shot in...
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Oct 13, 2018 20:39:50 GMT -5
Why the fuck is Núñez playing? Cora’s man crush on him is costing us big time.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 13, 2018 20:40:02 GMT -5
Buzzard luck all around.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Oct 13, 2018 20:40:38 GMT -5
This kind of offense is just not going to do it - meat of our order is having a pop up or K fest.
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Post by 07redsox on Oct 13, 2018 20:40:51 GMT -5
A trend is not two games. "Keep repeating itself" is also not two games. As another poster just stated, you have been known for a long time to overreact to anything and everything. I'm done with this conversation at this point. It's pointless to even try and talk reason with someone who is this set in their view. For the record Sale has appeared in THREE games and done this against the Astros. When is the trend starting then Mr. Logical then? 3 games? If you are including the relief appearance in which he made one bad pitch that was hit for a home run, but otherwise looked good then I really don't know what to tell you. Again, it's a complete overreaction. Also, saying things like "Mr. Logic" in an insulting way is not a way to get your point across. I have found when people resort to something like that then they are getting too emotional and really have nothing of substance to say. If that is how you are going to play this then apparently this is one of those situations as well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Oct 13, 2018 20:41:12 GMT -5
Because not EVERY PITCH WAS MEASURED IN FEET. Sale was throwing chase pitches ON TOP OF THE PITCHES TO PITCHES THAT WAS FEET OUTSIDE. And the chase pitches don't work when you're behind and throwing more balls and strikes. MANY of which are WELL out of the zone. Any team would have walked ALOT in this scenario. Honestly this is sad. You can still melt down about Sales performance - it wasn't good. Shouldn't that be good enough? Why do you have to pretend it's something that it's not. And why can't you admit it was a command problem and not an Astros problem. I assure you everyone on the board can see it for why it is. You're not going to win that argument no matter how much of a fight you try to put up. I'm done with you. Hey your last shot in... DUDE you and one other poster is arguing against Sale's performance the past two years in the postseason against the Astros. Not me.
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