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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 16, 2018 19:48:44 GMT -5
Reports are that the Astros may have been cheating for the 2018 playoffs and perhaps even earlier, with a guy positioned next to the opposing team's dugout, with a camera and texting frequently, Apparently, there may have been earlier incidents in the Cleveland series. If true, this could have major implications for the Astros in terms of suspensions, fines, etc. I n the third inning of the first game of the series, security removed a man claiming to be an Astros employee from the media-credentialed area next to the Boston Red Sox dugout, according to multiple security sources who were on the scene at the time of the incident. The man had a small camera and was texting frequently, but did not have a media credential.
... Security sources say they had been warned about the man, because of some suspicious activity in Houston’s ALDS series against the Cleveland Indians. It’s unclear as to whether or not that warning came from Major League Baseball or the Red Sox. mlb.nbcsports.com/2018/10/16/report-astros-employee-accused-of-suspicious-behavior-throughout-postseason/
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 16, 2018 20:00:39 GMT -5
I wonder if someone from the Indians organizion tipped off the Red Sox. If true, this will be a major black eye on the Astros and MLB, particularly with some of this possible cheating occuring in the playoffs. Let's see how the national media deals with this.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2018 20:35:24 GMT -5
Or if Cora Mangini'd on them.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 16, 2018 20:54:33 GMT -5
You would think in this day and age with security videos all over ballparks how bold the Astros are if they truly were cheating. It also makes you wonder who is checking the credentials for all of the media as it appears like this alleged cheating was hidden in plain sight. A modern day spygate would be interesting to see how much the national media pays attention to it, particularly with Houston team rather than a team from Boston, New York or LA. IF proven true, I would think some Astros' officials could be looking at substantial suspensions (at least a year), fines, etc.
This alleged cheating along the alleged cheating with respect to international scouting and signings with respect to the Braves and Dodgers are two pretty significant scandals which are not getting much play in the national media so far.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 16, 2018 21:24:44 GMT -5
You would think in this day and age with security videos all over ballparks how bold the Astros are if they truly were cheating. It also makes you wonder who is checking the credentials for all of the media as it appears like this alleged cheating was hidden in plain sight. A modern day spygate would be interesting to see how much the national media pays attention to it, particularly with Houston team rather than a team from Boston, New York or LA. IF proven true, I would think some Astros' officials could be looking at substantial suspensions (at least a year), fines, etc. This alleged cheating along the alleged cheating with respect to international scouting and signings with respect to the Braves and Dodgers are two pretty significant scandals which are not getting much play in the national media so far. How much national juice was there with the applewatch scandal or international restrictions circumvention? Didn't seem like a lasting issue. The Cardinals hacking? I feel like baseball fans forget faster than football.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 16, 2018 21:39:13 GMT -5
You would think in this day and age with security videos all over ballparks how bold the Astros are if they truly were cheating. It also makes you wonder who is checking the credentials for all of the media as it appears like this alleged cheating was hidden in plain sight. A modern day spygate would be interesting to see how much the national media pays attention to it, particularly with Houston team rather than a team from Boston, New York or LA. IF proven true, I would think some Astros' officials could be looking at substantial suspensions (at least a year), fines, etc. This alleged cheating along the alleged cheating with respect to international scouting and signings with respect to the Braves and Dodgers are two pretty significant scandals which are not getting much play in the national media so far. How much national juice was there with the applewatch scandal or international restrictions circumvention? Didn't seem like a lasting issue. The Cardinals hacking? I feel like baseball fans forget faster than football. I think it's at some level because a clandestine videotaping operation or equipment tinkering are easier to understand and deliver a hot take on than a complicated international money laundering scheme used to circumvent rules that aren't entirely self-explanatory to sign players nobody has ever heard of. And for what it's worth, Chris Correa went to actual jail.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 16, 2018 21:48:43 GMT -5
How much national juice was there with the applewatch scandal or international restrictions circumvention? Didn't seem like a lasting issue. The Cardinals hacking? I feel like baseball fans forget faster than football. I think it's at some level because a clandestine videotaping operation or equipment tinkering are easier to understand and deliver a hot take on than a complicated international money laundering scheme used to circumvent rules that aren't entirely self-explanatory to sign players nobody has ever heard of. And for what it's worth, Chris Correa went to actual jail. Trus, although Correa committed crimes for which he was jailed. However, the Cardinals got off relatively easy with a $2 million fine and loss of their 2nd and 3rd round picks to the Astros. These crimes/cheating took place over a 2 and 1/2 year period during which Correa hacked into the Atros' computers 48 times. The punishment clearly didn't the crime in the case of holding the Cardinals accountable for failure to supervise their employees illegal activities. www.si.com/mlb/2017/01/30/cardinals-astros-hacking-chris-correa
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 16, 2018 22:27:00 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 16, 2018 22:31:27 GMT -5
Honestly if this is true the Astros should be relegated to AAA.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 16, 2018 22:35:05 GMT -5
As I wrote at the time, either the Cards didn't know, so a complete lack of oversight which is appalling and unprofessional, or they did and were complicit. Either way it's a whole field of red flags.
The common thread in that case and this one is the technological tidal wave that has swamped society. What were seen as harmless cases of one-ups-manship in the old days have been scaled up to the status of corporate crimes.
There's an unbridgeable gap between stealing a notebook and stealing gigabytes of proprietary data. In the same vein, you can't easily travel an ethical road from a spy with binocs and a scratch pad to a continuous digital video record you can roll backward or forward at will. That's even as you feed that information on a streaming channel to the dugout. You've become a digital extension of the manager's brain. I'd say the rule book needs updating, no?
I'm not a Luddite about digital tech, I've worked in the field for 45 years. But I never fooled myself about what it meant, either. We can ignore the implications and it will control us, or we can make strict rules with serious corporate and personal repercussions and bring it under control. Those are the options.
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 17, 2018 7:04:14 GMT -5
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 17, 2018 7:23:09 GMT -5
This is a sports guy in Houston and he has noted within the last 24 hours the alleged Astros' cheater has deleted his LinkedIn profile and removed any references to the Astros on his Instagram account. He also was listed as a member of the Astros' baseball operations, as well as having previously worked for the Florida National Golf Club which is owned by Astros' owner Jim Crain.
Also interesting that some people in baseball appear to be trying to downplay this scandal, including Jason Stark of MLB Network. Not a good look for MLB to have its own employees try to downplay this alleged cheating scandal until it has been fully investigated.
Jason Bristol Verified account @jbristolkhou 6h6 hours ago More A Kyle McLaughlin with experience at Astros & FNGC has also deleted his @linkedin profile, btw. #khou11 #htownrush
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 17, 2018 7:38:39 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2018 7:41:04 GMT -5
Like I said in the game thread, America's Second Team no more.
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Post by patford on Oct 17, 2018 7:45:31 GMT -5
To top it off an unidentified Astros source is telling the media that the man was there monitoring the Sox because the Astros suspect the Sox of cheating.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 17, 2018 7:56:49 GMT -5
To top it off an unidentified Astros source is telling the media that the man was there monitoring the Sox because the Astros suspect the Sox of cheating. In much the same way that when I catch one of my children doing something wrong, they immediately blame the other.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Oct 17, 2018 7:58:14 GMT -5
There is a certain someone whose M.O. is accusing others of that of which he is guilty, not a good look.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 17, 2018 8:16:05 GMT -5
To top it off an unidentified Astros source is telling the media that the man was there monitoring the Sox because the Astros suspect the Sox of cheating. Oh yeah, and they also suspected the Indians of cheating. Uh huh. In fact, he's only there because everyone is cheating except the Astros.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 17, 2018 8:26:05 GMT -5
Luhnow: "Kyle, I need your help." McLaughlin: "Sure sorta-boss." What can I do?" Luhnow: "I need you to cheat in the most cockamamie and ineffective way possible, giving us access to less accurate information than is freely available to everyone." McLaughlin: "Love it. Should I be sly about it? Hide out somewhere?" Luhnow: "Nah stand in the press box."
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Oct 17, 2018 8:36:06 GMT -5
Luhnow: "Kyle, I need your help." McLaughlin: "Sure sorta-boss." What can I do?" Luhnow: "I need you to cheat in the most cockamamie and ineffective way possible, giving us access to less accurate information than is freely available to everyone." McLaughlin: "Love it. Should I be sly about it? Hide out somewhere?" Luhnow: "Nah stand in the press box." Perhaps Luhnow is following the Chris Carter approach about everyone needing a Fall Guy.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2018 9:22:59 GMT -5
I wonder which newspaper gave up their photographer's pass.
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Post by patford on Oct 17, 2018 9:34:05 GMT -5
I wonder which newspaper gave up their photographer's pass. Dan Shaughnessy would not be a bad bet.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2018 9:37:41 GMT -5
I wonder which newspaper gave up their photographer's pass. Dan Shaughnessy would not be a bad bet. Obviously except he wouldn't have one for Cleveland. My guess, The Houston Chronicle. Should be an interesting sidebar.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 17, 2018 11:44:29 GMT -5
To top it off an unidentified Astros source is telling the media that the man was there monitoring the Sox because the Astros suspect the Sox of cheating. Luhnow: "Kyle, I need your help." McLaughlin: "Sure sorta-boss." What can I do?" Luhnow: "I need you to cheat in the most cockamamie and ineffective way possible, giving us access to less accurate information than is freely available to everyone." McLaughlin: "Love it. Should I be sly about it? Hide out somewhere?" Luhnow: "Nah stand in the press box." Not saying this is the most probable explanation, but I wouldn't be that surprised if this turned out to be some kind of double-reverse-galaxy-brain-game-theory operation where the Astros are just trying to make other teams think they're stealing signs.
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Post by Don Caballero on Oct 17, 2018 11:56:14 GMT -5
Luhnow: "Kyle, I need your help." McLaughlin: "Sure sorta-boss." What can I do?" Luhnow: "I need you to cheat in the most cockamamie and ineffective way possible, giving us access to less accurate information than is freely available to everyone." McLaughlin: "Love it. Should I be sly about it? Hide out somewhere?" Luhnow: "Nah stand in the press box." I don't get it, signs are freely available to everyone?
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