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Post by philarhody on Feb 18, 2019 22:41:11 GMT -5
I wonder if Jaylen Brown, the Sacramento pick, the clippers pick and our first could get us up to the second or third spot in the draft. I think Morant and Barrett are both all star talents. After them you’re kind of just rolling the dice with Bol Bol or someone like that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 19, 2019 1:19:08 GMT -5
Yeah wouldn't complain one bit if the Celtics got Durant and AD in the same off-season lol. Would definitely mitigate the loss of Tatum in a deal, even if it still kills me inside to see that kid leave.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2019 7:38:51 GMT -5
I wonder if Jaylen Brown, the Sacramento pick, the clippers pick and our first could get us up to the second or third spot in the draft. I think Morant and Barrett are both all star talents. After them you’re kind of just rolling the dice with Bol Bol or someone like that. You never know what teams will do, yet I'd say very unlikely. Mainly because nbadraft.net has those guys rated so high they might be tier one guys. Teams almost never trade those guys. It doesn't help that our picks are currently 14, 18, and 24. RJP is Barrett a tier one guy? I know you mentioned taking him over Williamson before and he's clearly a tier one guy. He's a huge Duke fan so he'd know better than anyone else on here. What would be the point? Using it to get Davis?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2019 9:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by prangerx on Feb 19, 2019 9:25:38 GMT -5
Yeah wouldn't complain one bit if the Celtics got Durant and AD in the same off-season lol. Would definitely mitigate the loss of Tatum in a deal, even if it still kills me inside to see that kid leave. No way Durant comes to the Celtics. He doesn't want to come here. Kyrie wasn't recruiting players for Danny. If he was recruiting anyone, it was for himself. If Durant and Kyrie play together it will be in New York.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 19, 2019 11:59:19 GMT -5
Just love Jaylen, I love his calm demeanor about himself. He reminds me of Tim Duncan in that regard and I hope he extends that to the court as well (knowing his limitations and playing within them more consistently would be a good place to start). I'm so attached to this young core I almost feel like a psychopath for wanting to trade them for AD lol.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 19, 2019 16:56:45 GMT -5
Yea I think I'm full on nuts for wanting no part of Davis if it costs Tatum and our best picks plus more.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 20, 2019 0:11:59 GMT -5
Yea I think I'm full on nuts for wanting no part of Davis if it costs Tatum and our best picks plus more. I'm getting there too. Davis is too damn good so it's tempting, but a 2 punch duo of Brown and Tatum could be something special. We saw that already. Who knows, back then trading Klay Thompson for Kevin Love looked like a great deal and look where we are right now.
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Post by prangerx on Feb 20, 2019 8:19:56 GMT -5
On paper we are a better team with Davis, Irving, and Hayward. But with the two latter names looking like they don't want to be here...It would be foolish to trade Tatum for on year of Davis. Then you would just have Hayward and Brown left. At least if he lose Kyrie and don't get Davis...We will still have Hayward,Tatum, Brown, and everyone else. It pushes back our windo a bit. But you don't lose everything and have a chance to keep building.
At least we didn't give up as much in the Kyrie trade as originally thought. The Brooklyn pick wasn't as high as originally thought. And Isaiah had a lot of injury problems. Colin Sexton could end up being a good player for the Cavs...But I doubt he ends up being a franchise player.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 20, 2019 11:30:09 GMT -5
I've moved on to a KD/Kyrie combo or bust. Seriously, they'd be better off in Boston than NYK for everything except night life. Sick of AD's attitude and agent machinations. His teams have only been over .500 twice, peaking at 48 wins. Keep Tatum! Forsberg had a column on NBC Boston about the best way for Tatum to stay a Celtic For Life as he said he wants is to have an unreal post-All-Star break. Force the issue, kid! www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/if-jayson-tatum-wants-play-celtics-his-entire-career-he-can-force-issue
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2019 21:55:25 GMT -5
OK, so the Zion Williamson injury doesn't look too good for Nike. I've never seen a sneaker completely rip apart like that.
Some of those tickets were going for $3K and they got to see Zion play for 30 seconds.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 20, 2019 22:28:38 GMT -5
OK, so the Zion Williamson injury doesn't look too good for Nike. I've never seen a sneaker completely rip apart like that. They don't make vietnamese slave labor like they used to, goddamn.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2019 22:47:39 GMT -5
OK, so the Zion Williamson injury doesn't look too good for Nike. I've never seen a sneaker completely rip apart like that. They don't make vietnamese slave labor like they used to, goddamn. If I were a current or future zillionaire, I'd demand my personal use shoes to be made by american slaves! Like that's something minor league baseball players should be signing up for.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 20, 2019 23:20:59 GMT -5
If I were a current or future zillionaire, I'd demand my personal use shoes to be made by american slaves! Like that's something minor league baseball players should be signing up for. Professional athletes would still advertise the sh*t out of that. Kevin Durant would thank his mom for those shoes, Space Jam 2™ featuring Lebron would show it every chance they got. Players don't need to be accountable, they only need to get PAID.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2019 10:16:30 GMT -5
Yea I think I'm full on nuts for wanting no part of Davis if it costs Tatum and our best picks plus more. I'm getting there too. Davis is too damn good so it's tempting, but a 2 punch duo of Brown and Tatum could be something special. We saw that already. Who knows, back then trading Klay Thompson for Kevin Love looked like a great deal and look where we are right now. With loyalty out the window, I love the idea of building a mostly homegrown team. Like you have a great chance at kerping Brown and Tatum for the next ten years plus. Guys like Irving are just hired guns. If it makes sense for him he'll stay, if not he's gone. Once you force your way from a team, loyalty is gone. Like every three years we'll have to hope they want go stay. I just don't want that! I can life with it right now because if Irving leaves we have Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart, picks, etc. Like you want Davis to have a long-term core of Davis, Irving and Tatum, not just Irving and Davis.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 21, 2019 12:05:48 GMT -5
With loyalty out the window, I love the idea of building a mostly homegrown team. Like you have a great chance at kerping Brown and Tatum for the next ten years plus. Guys like Irving are just hired guns. If it makes sense for him he'll stay, if not he's gone. Once you force your way from a team, loyalty is gone. Like every three years we'll have to hope they want go stay. I just don't want that! I can life with it right now because if Irving leaves we have Tatum, Brown, Rozier, Smart, picks, etc. Like you want Davis to have a long-term core of Davis, Irving and Tatum, not just Irving and Davis. I really wouldn't mind that. I said earlier in the season after a game that Kyrie missed that he isn't our guy and it's painfully obvious. Irving is the best player in the team by far and he makes the road to a championship more tangible. On the other hand, all the constant drama surrounding big stars is exhausting, I don't want to deal with constant questions about a guy leaving in free agency if a team under performs. Newsflash to these guys: you need the team just as much as the team needs you. I think the 4 guys you named wear that "Boston Celtics" mentality way better than Irving and Davis. Heck, Gordon Hayward feels more like "one of us" than Irving does. There's a certain professionalism one comes to expect from a Boston team that just doesn't fit with the Rich Paul way. Just saw this Irving interview getting posted and gee Kyrie, it's simple to break off the media narrative. Say you're staying. Unequivocally say yeah man I won't go anywhere if Danny offers me the max/that ridiculous 1+1 contract. There. Done. You defeated the media. Yeah the media is terrible, but there's a clear path to end this shenanigan.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 21, 2019 12:19:17 GMT -5
Not sure I am alone in my perception that the C's were better last as they had the best record in the East last year. But after a very strong start they finished the season going 19-17 down the stretch, yes Kyrie was hurt I know. This year they started poorly going 10-10 and have since been 27-11. Are they better this year, I say yes. Keep in mind that they can play great D, but that takes effort that is not easy to sustain all season. I think come playoff time and starting tonight we are going to see how good they can be when locked in.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2019 12:43:09 GMT -5
RJP is Barrett a tier one guy? I know you mentioned taking him over Williamson before and he's clearly a tier one guy. He's a huge Duke fan so he'd know better than anyone else on here. In my opinion yes. I’d also take him over Zion. I can’t compare to Morant as I haven’t seen him play. I really like Zion, but I do think he’s a bit over-rated and I think Barrett will be a better NBA player. College kids just can’t compete with Zion. He’s also out of control a lot. He gets into a lot of foul trouble by bowling people over and gets away with a lot of should be offensive fouls. I’m not slamming Zion, I’d love to have him, I just think Barrett is a prototypical wing who can score from every level. I don’t know if Zions shot is fixable.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2019 12:58:20 GMT -5
Here’s some of my thoughts on how to improve the NBA.
1. Increase the players share so the cap is even higher.
2. Make the entire lottery a lottery and lower the odds for the top teams so tanking isn’t as worthwhile.
3. Make it easier to keep your own top free agents by doing several things:
A) increase the gap between what the home team can offer for a max and another team.
B) don’t count this difference towards the salary cap and luxury tax calculation
C) allow them to sign guys to these extensions up to 2 years before free agency. The further away they more apt the player is to sign. For example, Kyrie could have sighed a max deal this offseason.
4. Eliminate opt outs and one way options in contracts. None of this one and one crap. None of this not knowing if a player is there or not or if a team with exercise it. All options are mutual. If one wants in its in, if both want out you’re out. Plain and simple.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 21, 2019 13:13:11 GMT -5
As a Duke fan, last night's big game against UNC was heartbreaking as Zion went down with a blown shoe (leading to a sprained knee) 36 seconds into the game. So, Barrett and Reddish WERE the entire offense. Big question - will they shut Zion down for the rest of the season?
(off topic, but thought it was of interest since it involves some big draft pics)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 21, 2019 13:14:26 GMT -5
Not sure I am alone in my perception that the C's were better last as they had the best record in the East last year. But after a very strong start they finished the season going 19-17 down the stretch, yes Kyrie was hurt I know. This year they started poorly going 10-10 and have since been 27-11. Are they better this year, I say yes. Keep in mind that they can play great D, but that takes effort that is not easy to sustain all season. I think come playoff time and starting tonight we are going to see how good they can be when locked in. They were #2 last year in the East last year well before Irving was even injured. So much of last year was that crazy streak to start the year. I do like this years team more, lot more talent. On the flipside they haven't shown the D they did last year. Like will Stevens start Baynes in the playoffs if we play the Raptors or Sixers?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2019 13:18:08 GMT -5
As a Duke fan, last night's big game against UNC was heartbreaking as Zion went down with a blown shoe (leading to a sprained knee) 36 seconds into the game. So, Barrett and Reddish WERE the entire offense. Big question - will they shut Zion down for the rest of the season? (off topic, but thought it was of interest since it involves some big draft pics) Who’s they? Duke won’t shut him down but Zions people might. Issue is Zion is on the record as saying that’s nonsense he came to Duke to play with his teammates. Things change and no one will blame him for shutting it down. If he does, then Barrett might as well. He’s already secured his spot at the top of the draft and without Zion playing he’s not going to change people’s perspectives of the two of them.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 21, 2019 13:52:04 GMT -5
As a Duke fan, last night's big game against UNC was heartbreaking as Zion went down with a blown shoe (leading to a sprained knee) 36 seconds into the game. So, Barrett and Reddish WERE the entire offense. Big question - will they shut Zion down for the rest of the season? (off topic, but thought it was of interest since it involves some big draft pics) Who’s they? Duke won’t shut him down but Zions people might. Issue is Zion is on the record as saying that’s nonsense he came to Duke to play with his teammates. Things change and no one will blame him for shutting it down. If he does, then Barrett might as well. He’s already secured his spot at the top of the draft and without Zion playing he’s not going to change people’s perspectives of the two of them. Some local banter on local news sites, as well as a roundtable discussion on ESPN site. Duke was heading for a clear favorite to win it all....this sets up an interesting dynamic. With Zion they could certainly do it - without, I doubt it.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 21, 2019 14:01:02 GMT -5
Not sure I am alone in my perception that the C's were better last as they had the best record in the East last year. But after a very strong start they finished the season going 19-17 down the stretch, yes Kyrie was hurt I know. This year they started poorly going 10-10 and have since been 27-11. Are they better this year, I say yes. Keep in mind that they can play great D, but that takes effort that is not easy to sustain all season. I think come playoff time and starting tonight we are going to see how good they can be when locked in. They were #2 last year in the East last year well before Irving was even injured. So much of last year was that crazy streak to start the year. I do like this years team more, lot more talent. On the flipside they haven't shown the D they did last year. Like will Stevens start Baynes in the playoffs if we play the Raptors or Sixers? That is what I am saying, the D is there it is just taxing to put in that kind of effort all season. I think they will turn it up. And yes Baines is needed against some teams. Surprised they haven't signed someone like Kanter, too late there.
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Post by voiceofreason on Feb 21, 2019 14:05:38 GMT -5
The one and done era won't last much longer.
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