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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2019 9:25:26 GMT -5
Come on we just lost by one point to the team with the best record in the NBA, on the road. We didn't have Hayward or Baynes, which makes our bench rather weak and we couldn't hit the side of the barn with our shots.
Call me crazy but the way we play the top teams is a great sign. Like don't tell me were toast in the playoffs on the road if they play like that. Irving, Smart, and Rozier won't shoot that bad in many games. All season we've played the top teams well, it's everyone else that seems a problem.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 22, 2019 9:40:54 GMT -5
Come on we just lost by one point to the team with the best record in the NBA, on the road. We didn't have Hayward or Baynes, which makes our bench rather weak and we couldn't hit the side of the barn with our shots. Call me crazy but the way we play the top teams is a great sign. Like don't tell me were toast in the playoffs on the road if they play like that. Irving, Smart, and Rozier won't shoot that bad in many games. All season we've played the top teams well, it's everyone else that seems a problem. I just don't see it with this bunch - they can nearly always get to the hump, but to me they don't have what it takes to regularly get over the hump. It is an intangible thing - related to poise - but the perfect mesh just isn't there to these eyes. Certainly they play entertaining games. It's fine - the Sox are getting ready to rev up, which eases my angst about this version of the Celtics.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2019 10:12:39 GMT -5
It's okay everyone had the Bucks beating them last year, then the Sixers. No one gave them a chance. The playoffs more physical play suits this team.
They just need to insert Brown for Morris in the starting lineup.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 22, 2019 11:44:58 GMT -5
They just need to insert Brown for Morris in the starting lineup. Man this is so overdue it's downright irresponsible at this point. Brown has been amazing lately and he clearly has a much higher upside than Morris. Stevens is having a rough season.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 22, 2019 11:50:45 GMT -5
Don't even care about starting. But Minutes and Closing? Yup.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 22, 2019 11:58:42 GMT -5
Don't even care about starting. But Minutes and Closing? Yup.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 22, 2019 18:38:31 GMT -5
Don't even care about starting. But Minutes and Closing? Yup. That's the issue though, Stevens is very rigid. His starters start and close games. The only exception to that has been Hayward or because of injuries. So if you want more minutes and closing he needs to start. That's just Steven's.
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Post by texs31 on Feb 22, 2019 21:35:22 GMT -5
So in this dream world where we have a say in Steven's decision making we have to limit ourselves?
Besides. Plenty of games under Stevens where Baynes (and Amir Johnson before him) would start but not finish.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2019 6:33:37 GMT -5
So in this dream world where we have a say in Steven's decision making we have to limit ourselves? Besides. Plenty of games under Stevens where Baynes (and Amir Johnson before him) would start but not finish. Yup, and Smart would close a bunch of games in the past even though he wasn’t starting. Coaches can have bad seasons, and this one has been a disaster for Stevens.
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Post by philarhody on Feb 23, 2019 11:08:27 GMT -5
Stevens has been great this season. Morris is better facing Giannis defensively than Brown. Unfortunately, Brown doesn’t offer enough offensive versatility right now to play over Morris. Also, there have been reports that Jaylen has missed drawn up plays and assignments this year. That can’t happen in crunch time.
All that said, Morris is likely gone after the season. So if Jaylen stays hungry, he’s going to play 30 minutes a game.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2019 12:46:47 GMT -5
Jaylen is a much more versatile offensive player than Morris.
I like Morris and he’s been fantastic this season, but he should not consistently be playing more minutes than Jaylen. (Neither should Hayward.)
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 23, 2019 19:40:29 GMT -5
I just have to ask how is Brown a much more versatile offensive player? I like his style more and his D, yet Morris can do more on offense right now. He can create his own shot in a way Brown struggles with. I don't think the starting lineup needs that with Irving and Tatum, but he can do it.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2019 20:40:07 GMT -5
Morris is a much more polished offensive player, but he’s limited in his ability to drive past defenders and has similar weaknesses as a playmaker. I’d consider Morris to be the better offensive player right now, but Jaylen is more versatile and obviously has much more upside.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 23, 2019 20:50:52 GMT -5
This team is difficult to like.
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Post by ianrs on Feb 23, 2019 21:26:20 GMT -5
This team is difficult to like. Kyrie is the most unlikable focal point/star the Celtics have had in some time (and Morris the icing on the cake). Dude's a flat earther and can't stop throwing his teammates under the bus every time he opens his mouth. Honestly I hope we move on from him, should've been traded IMO. Because of Kyrie's (and Brad's) lack of leadership, this team has no identity. Tatum is and should be the future of the franchise.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 23, 2019 21:42:39 GMT -5
Losing badly to a team that is 6-23 at home, being outrebounded 38-24 at the end of the 3Q. Yikes.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 23, 2019 22:17:49 GMT -5
Correction....lost badly. Consolation - Bruins exceeding expectations and Red Sox spring training is in gear. Ainge and Stevens have their work cut out for them...
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Post by texs31 on Feb 23, 2019 22:23:29 GMT -5
This team is difficult to like. Kyrie is the most unlikable focal point/star the Celtics have had in some time (and Morris the icing on the cake). Dude's a flat earther and can't stop throwing his teammates under the bus every time he opens his mouth. Honestly I hope we move on from him, should've been traded IMO. Because of Kyrie's (and Brad's) lack of leadership, this team has no identity. Tatum is and should be the future of the franchise. Disagree. Paul Pierce was NOT likeable for a long time. That absurd move of coming out in a wheelchair and all taped up was one of the dickiest "look at me" moves I can remember. But he won a championship so we forget.
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 23, 2019 23:36:43 GMT -5
Man am I ever glad I missed this game lol.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Feb 23, 2019 23:46:54 GMT -5
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Post by Don Caballero on Feb 23, 2019 23:49:45 GMT -5
I appreciate his honesty and I didn't watch the game, but getting outrebounded like that isn't on the coach. Danny still hasn't done anything to get a proper big to bang on this squad, it leads to sh*t like this.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2019 6:49:43 GMT -5
I didn’t see the game but just looked at the Box score... Kyrie was +4 in 41 minutes.... what the hell happened in the other 7 minutes?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 24, 2019 8:07:53 GMT -5
Pay wall but if you are a subscriber: www.bostonsportsjournal.com/2019/02/24/time-celtics-reduce-terry-roziers-role/Here are some snippets: “More often than not, Terry Rozier has not been a net positive for the Celtics this season when he’s been on the floor (12th on team in net rating). The eye test and the numbers back up this assertion.” “All of these developments are not surprising news. We’ve written about Rozier’s struggles this season on countless occasions here at BSJ, wondering what exactly Brad Stevens should do with the fourth-year guard. It was evident as early as November that this team missed Shane Larkin and Stevens, despite Rozier’s woes, continued to give the guard an incredibly long leash to play through his struggles. Rozier looked great in training camp but it’s been mostly downhill since mid-November for him on the court. Somehow, despite these consistent hiccups, Rozier has played at least 15 minutes in every game he’s played this season.” “...that attitude is costing the Celtics wins on some nights. Rozier is not the same player this year that helped carry this team to the Eastern Conference Finals last season... bench gets soundly beaten by the likes of Wayne Selden and Ryan Arcidiacono. The second unit has been a liability on the road for most of the year with this group and Rozier has been the biggest culprit in that group.” “The best plan now might just be to play Rozier off the ball for the foreseeable future to minimize the offensive damage he can do with his shot selection. That tweak helped the C’s earlier this year but Stevens has gone away from it lately while mixing up the rotation.”
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 24, 2019 8:56:43 GMT -5
The teams problem wasn't Rozier last night. Yea he wasn't good. Yet it was bad defense and bad effort. Same problem all year we play very well against the good teams and come out flat against the bad teams. Rozier didn't make Tatum get one rebound or Horford get only two rebounds or the team get out rebounded by 17. Last year how many games did we lose when we scored 116 points? This team needs to get back to D first and offensive second, not the other way around.
Tatum needs to stop acting like the first half of last year also. Like demand that Ball, don't just disappear and not play hard because you weren't heavily involved in the offense.
You just can't believe its the same team that gave great effort, played with heart and played great D against the Bucks just did none of that last night.
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Post by wcp3 on Feb 24, 2019 9:05:43 GMT -5
Kyrie is the most unlikable focal point/star the Celtics have had in some time (and Morris the icing on the cake). Dude's a flat earther and can't stop throwing his teammates under the bus every time he opens his mouth. Honestly I hope we move on from him, should've been traded IMO. Because of Kyrie's (and Brad's) lack of leadership, this team has no identity. Tatum is and should be the future of the franchise. Disagree. Paul Pierce was NOT likeable for a long time. That absurd move of coming out in a wheelchair and all taped up was one of the dickiest "look at me" moves I can remember. But he won a championship so we forget. I rarely disagree with you, but this is a strange take. Pierce was very unlikeable at times through the 2004-05 season, culminating with his embarrassing postgame press conference after their playoff loss against the Pacers. But that playoff loss seemed to serve as a learning moment for him, and starting with the 2005-06 season, he actually turned into a pretty good leader (and great teammate) for the rest of his career. Kyrie is neither of those things. He’s also still only 26 years old - it’s easy to forget that since he’s been around for years now, and there’s still time for that switch to go on. But that doesn’t really excuse him being a bad teammate either. If he wants to call guys out for “not knowing what it takes to win a championship,” then he can’t also give 50% effort in losses and talk about how nothing matters until the playoffs.
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