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Red Sox vs. Dodgers 2018 World Series Gameday Thread
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 30, 2018 22:06:25 GMT -5
As noted above, fantastic read, nobody should miss it.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Oct 30, 2018 22:14:54 GMT -5
As much money as the Yankees have, they can't match the Phillies, also a big market team, for the combo of money and cap room. The Yankees need starting pitching more than they need position players. Oh, absolutely. And I think they go after Corbin, who already uses the pitch-backwards approach that they employ. Buts there’s always the alternative scenario where they sign Machado and trade Andújar along with pieces for a TOR pitcher. Tbh, Machado’s a great player but he sure seems like a negative influence. Couple that with the issues they have with Sanchez, and I’m not too sure them giving up cost-controlled youth for a giant contract who might worsen the clubhouse culture is all a bad thing. We’ll see...I just don’t want them getting any bargains. Agree they will go after Corbin and probably get him. But why would the Blue Jays want Andujar? Doesn't Guerrro play third. I think the Yankees will go after Corbin and Harper. They need a left-handed bat too go with all there right-handed bats. I think they will also try and sign at least one of there two free agent relievers and go after another starter. I hope the other starter isn't Eovaldi. An outfield of Stanton, Harper and Judge wouldn't be too bad.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 30, 2018 22:35:00 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. And I think they go after Corbin, who already uses the pitch-backwards approach that they employ. Buts there’s always the alternative scenario where they sign Machado and trade Andújar along with pieces for a TOR pitcher. Tbh, Machado’s a great player but he sure seems like a negative influence. Couple that with the issues they have with Sanchez, and I’m not too sure them giving up cost-controlled youth for a giant contract who might worsen the clubhouse culture is all a bad thing. We’ll see...I just don’t want them getting any bargains. Agree they will go after Corbin and probably get him. But why would the Blue Jays want Andujar? Doesn't Guerrro play third. I think the Yankees will go after Corbin and Harper. They need a left-handed bat too go with all there right-handed bats. I think they will also try and sign at least one of there two free agent relievers and go after another starter. I hope the other starter isn't Eovaldi. An outfield of Stanton, Harper and Judge wouldn't be too bad. A couple things, first, Didi is out for about one year. The Yankees aren't likely to trade Andujar this year even if they pick up Machado. Second, Clint Frazier out with concussion issues is expected back next year, Harper's value to the Yankees would be less. Sabathia, Happ Lynn, Robertson and Britton are free agents. Tanaka is getting into his regression years. Sabathia indicated earlier this year that he'll likely retire. Their most talented starting pitcher had issues the second half. Their third baseman is a bad defender, their first base problems were solved at the end of the year but are they going to count of him after a 3-4 week stretch that was the best of his life ? They also have catching issues and their closer was more erratic than Kimbrel and has hip problems. I seriously don't think they will end up with either Machado or Harper.
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Post by joemayosparty on Oct 30, 2018 22:53:29 GMT -5
A random thought about the series. I was watching the celebrations after the final win. Players were celebrating with their wives, girlfriends, children and then Raphel Devers walked in front of the camera with what I would describe as something of a bewildered look, as if he were looking around for someone to hug, congratulate, etc. Again, just a moment or two in a camera shot, and he may have had friends, family, whatever somewhere out of the picture. But it just seemed like a poignant moment in the life of a very young man who is just realizing he is part of baseball history and is looking for someone to share the moment.
And apropos of nothing other than we witnessed one of the greatest seasons of all time, here is a link to a video that anyone
who has children or who played baseball as a child and who loves baseball should enjoy. It's called "The Greatest".
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Post by tonyc on Oct 31, 2018 1:00:14 GMT -5
So here's feelings about each WS win: 2004 Fan since 1968, so great fulfillment, especially after 2003. Living in NY most of my life, now in Boulder lacked the community celebration, usually went to games with friends who were Yankee fans. But the Lazy Dog bar in Boulder was full of New Englanders, and we all went nuts together, then were screaming in the streets in the wee hours. I don't drink, but my ex-girlfriend insisted I had a "contact" drunk!
2007 Had a retinal detachment and several operations to reattach/prevent blindness. The rehab involves sitting face down around the clock and sleeping that way too for weeks. There is a special table with a reverse mirror to watch TV. I had a good recovery and it involved doing nothing daily but seeing the Redsox games! Special year for me, didn't expect them to pass Cleveland. Sadly I tried like crazy for a ticket to see my only playoff ever- game 4 in Colorado- and there was a scam allowing the online scalpers to access the tickets instead of locals waiting on lines. A stink was made of it, public tickets reopened, and I eventually procured a ticket- to game 5 here. Oh well. Went back to the Lazy dog for finale- it was nice, but clearly the ecstasy of 04 was not there as the scene cleared out much more quickly.
2013. Stayed at my Girlfriend's sisters in Florida. She and her husband are rabid Tiger fans from Michigan- that was an exciting series to watch together. So was the Cards- never thought they'd beat the Karma of game 3, or have Buccholtz hang in long enough in game 4.
2018- Read all year, didn't see many games. Finally jumped aboard for playoffs and enjoyed starting with Yankees. We all know each series was more nail biting than the final scores showed. Unfortunately, between difficulty at work and less time available, I taped all the games and made a choice not to see game 5 live. Did get to perform musically at a party, but had to fast forward through game.. I'm embarrassed, but I feel I missed the final boat, just not connecting emotionally like in the past. Lack time but will read some of these posts. Thanks all for your moment by moment time capsules. Particularly appreciate sox 040718 comment that this will be a permanent memory. Yes, just as my all time favorite will always be- 1975,
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Post by telson13 on Oct 31, 2018 1:49:12 GMT -5
Oh, absolutely. And I think they go after Corbin, who already uses the pitch-backwards approach that they employ. Buts there’s always the alternative scenario where they sign Machado and trade Andújar along with pieces for a TOR pitcher. Tbh, Machado’s a great player but he sure seems like a negative influence. Couple that with the issues they have with Sanchez, and I’m not too sure them giving up cost-controlled youth for a giant contract who might worsen the clubhouse culture is all a bad thing. We’ll see...I just don’t want them getting any bargains. Agree they will go after Corbin and probably get him. But why would the Blue Jays want Andujar? Doesn't Guerrro play third. I think the Yankees will go after Corbin and Harper. They need a left-handed bat too go with all there right-handed bats. I think they will also try and sign at least one of there two free agent relievers and go after another starter. I hope the other starter isn't Eovaldi. An outfield of Stanton, Harper and Judge wouldn't be too bad. TOR meaning top-of-rotation, definitely not Toronto. I doubt Andújar headlines a DeGrom or Syndergaard deal, but it might be possible with Sheffield and a couple other pieces. Tough to say, because it’s 2 yr vs the three Sale had (DeGrom)...I’d think the Mets would demand Torres but who knows? I’m not sure they go after Harper, because of the cost/yr and the inconsistency. His LH bat would be great in Yankee stadium, and some of those $ would be offset by dropping Gardner (12M), but they’re still paying Ellsbury. Idk if CC re-ups, but other than Tanaka and Severino, the rotation is pretty empty. Gray is gone (I think he was hurt by the stadium and their pitching approach)...he might be an interesting buy low sign. Happ and Lynn are probably gone, too. So yeah, NY is going to have to spend some $ to fill 3 rotation spots (2 if they bank on one of German/Cessa/Sheffield/Loaisiga), and they’re going to want quality. Corbin is likely to push Lester money. They’ve got plenty of solid if unspectacular trade chips if they want to keep their core intact, and plenty of places to improve. So they’re going to be fascinating to watch.
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Post by telson13 on Oct 31, 2018 2:10:27 GMT -5
Agree they will go after Corbin and probably get him. But why would the Blue Jays want Andujar? Doesn't Guerrro play third. I think the Yankees will go after Corbin and Harper. They need a left-handed bat too go with all there right-handed bats. I think they will also try and sign at least one of there two free agent relievers and go after another starter. I hope the other starter isn't Eovaldi. An outfield of Stanton, Harper and Judge wouldn't be too bad. A couple things, first, Didi is out for about one year. The Yankees aren't likely to trade Andujar this year even if they pick up Machado. Second, Clint Frazier out with concussion issues is expected back next year, Harper's value to the Yankees would be less. Sabathia, Happ Lynn, Robertson and Britton are free agents. Tanaka is getting into his regression years. Sabathia indicated earlier this year that he'll likely retire. Their most talented starting pitcher had issues the second half. Their third baseman is a bad defender, their first base problems were solved at the end of the year but are they going to count of him after a 3-4 week stretch that was the best of his life ? They also have catching issues and their closer was more erratic than Kimbrel and has hip problems. I seriously don't think they will end up with either Machado or Harper. Well, they can trade Andújar if they sign Machado, and move Torres to his natural SS position, where he has more than enough arm. Gregorius as you say is probably out 9-12 mo, so July-Sept return. Definitely not nearly as long as pitcher TJ. They have options for filling their INF spots; they could grab Lowrie if they did the above, and flip him when Gregorius returns, getting back talent for only a moderate $ outlay. They have a bunch of 3/4/5 starter prospects, so they could potentially move one or more to the bullpen either temporarily or permanently with the loses of Britton and Robertson. If they sign a FA starter like Corbin they slide everyone down, making Tanaka the 3 (where he would probably be more than adequate), and allowing them to fill the 4 spot with another FA at much lower cost (Happ, who pitches very well for them and probably wouldn’t command a big deal?), as well as opening up the 5 for Sheffield...and having plenty of young depth arms. I agree that it’s unlikely they sign Harper, but he’s a good fit if they drop Gardner and use Frazier and/or Hicks (who’s turned himself into quite a player) in trades. And again, they could always sign Machado and turn around and trade Andújar, Sheffield, and Hicks, along with an upside A-ball player or two to the Mets for DeGrom or Syndergaard. They’ve got so many FA, such a deep farm, and several redundancies...plus a well of cash, and a reset lux tax...they can do a **bunch** of different things. The good news for us Sox fans is that we’re only probably losing Kimbrel, who was just good, and plenty of guys had down years of injuries or are young enough that they have a strong shot at getting even better. And the Sox were *clearly* better than NY this year, despite it all.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 31, 2018 2:47:26 GMT -5
A reminder that the Sox parade will be on local TV. It's also streamable at www.mlb.com/redsox and other places. Parade starts at 11am but pre-parade starts at 10am.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 31, 2018 3:41:27 GMT -5
A couple things, first, Didi is out for about one year. The Yankees aren't likely to trade Andujar this year even if they pick up Machado. Second, Clint Frazier out with concussion issues is expected back next year, Harper's value to the Yankees would be less. Sabathia, Happ Lynn, Robertson and Britton are free agents. Tanaka is getting into his regression years. Sabathia indicated earlier this year that he'll likely retire. Their most talented starting pitcher had issues the second half. Their third baseman is a bad defender, their first base problems were solved at the end of the year but are they going to count of him after a 3-4 week stretch that was the best of his life ? They also have catching issues and their closer was more erratic than Kimbrel and has hip problems. I seriously don't think they will end up with either Machado or Harper. Well, they can trade Andújar if they sign Machado, and move Torres to his natural SS position, where he has more than enough arm. Gregorius as you say is probably out 9-12 mo, so July-Sept return. Definitely not nearly as long as pitcher TJ. They have options for filling their INF spots; they could grab Lowrie if they did the above, and flip him when Gregorius returns, getting back talent for only a moderate $ outlay. They have a bunch of 3/4/5 starter prospects, so they could potentially move one or more to the bullpen either temporarily or permanently with the loses of Britton and Robertson. If they sign a FA starter like Corbin they slide everyone down, making Tanaka the 3 (where he would probably be more than adequate), and allowing them to fill the 4 spot with another FA at much lower cost (Happ, who pitches very well for them and probably wouldn’t command a big deal?), as well as opening up the 5 for Sheffield...and having plenty of young depth arms. I agree that it’s unlikely they sign Harper, but he’s a good fit if they drop Gardner and use Frazier and/or Hicks (who’s turned himself into quite a player) in trades. And again, they could always sign Machado and turn around and trade Andújar, Sheffield, and Hicks, along with an upside A-ball player or two to the Mets for DeGrom or Syndergaard. They’ve got so many FA, such a deep farm, and several redundancies...plus a well of cash, and a reset lux tax...they can do a **bunch** of different things. The good news for us Sox fans is that we’re only probably losing Kimbrel, who was just good, and plenty of guys had down years of injuries or are young enough that they have a strong shot at getting even better. And the Sox were *clearly* better than NY this year, despite it all. Machado has pretty much stated that he prefers shortstop. Trading Andujar to create a second base hole makes no sense to me. My money, Machado to the Phils, Harper to the Cubs.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 8:59:33 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 31, 2018 9:27:46 GMT -5
I’m one of the few who likes Shaughnessy. I don’t often agree with him, but the man can write and he writes some damn good stuff at times. It’s just hidden behind a lot of pessimistic stuff which is too bad because when he writes about stuff he’s passionate about he’s damn good.
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Post by patford on Oct 31, 2018 9:34:04 GMT -5
It's always about him. He's literally a cancer. This goes way beyond Price. I felt him siding with the NFL against Brady was the lowest he's gone.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 9:50:42 GMT -5
I’m one of the few who likes Shaughnessy. I don’t often agree with him, but the man can write and he writes some damn good stuff at times. It’s just hidden behind a lot of pessimistic stuff which is too bad because when he writes about stuff he’s passionate about he’s damn good. I only like him sometimes. He's a great writer, but he's just a vulture. When the team is doing poorly or there is some riff in the clubhouse, he's like a shark going into a feeding frenzy and it makes me crazy. He literally is part of the reason why the Red Sox took so long to win a championship, because the media foists a personality on the players that they eventually believe in to the detriment of the team. It takes an extraordinary group of players to overcome these vultures. They probably get more clicks when the team loses so I think they actually want them to lose and do everything they can to help. What also makes me mad is that it seems that the Shaughnessy's and Cafardo's are rubbing off on Speier at times. I don't even read 108 Stitches on a day after a bad loss because I already know that Speier's tone will resemble Shaughnessy's. I don't need reasons to feel worse after a bad loss so I'm not reading any of it. It annoys the hell out of me.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 31, 2018 9:55:44 GMT -5
I’m one of the few who likes Shaughnessy. I don’t often agree with him, but the man can write and he writes some damn good stuff at times. It’s just hidden behind a lot of pessimistic stuff which is too bad because when he writes about stuff he’s passionate about he’s damn good. I only like him sometimes. He's a great writer, but he's just a vulture. When the team is doing poorly or there is some riff in the clubhouse, he's like a shark going into a feeding frenzy and it makes me crazy. He literally is part of the reason why the Red Sox took so long to win a championship, because the media foists a personality on the players that they eventually believe in to the detriment of the team. It takes an extraordinary group of players to overcome these vultures. They probably get more clicks when the team loses so I think they actually want them to lose and do everything they can to help. What also makes me mad is that it seems that the Shaughnessy's and Cafardo's are rubbing off on Speier at times. I don't even read 108 Stitches on a day after a bad loss because I already know that Speier's tone will resemble Shaughnessy's. I don't need reasons to feel worse after a bad loss so I'm not reading any of it. It annoys the hell out of me. I agree with a lot of this except they definitely get more clicks and higher ratings when the teams do better (you’re not alone in not reading or listening after losses). He’s also a fan if the local teams despite his pessimism a lot of the times. Basically, he’s what some of the posters on the game day thread are but with a forum. Add: Like it Pedrofan could write coherently then we might think he’s DS in disguise 😋
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 31, 2018 10:00:50 GMT -5
It's always about him. He's literally a cancer. This goes way beyond Price. I felt him siding with the NFL against Brady was the lowest he's gone. I don't ever read him, but "literally a cancer" is both linguistically wrong and a metaphor I don't care for. He's a troll and I haven't read him for years. Growing up I'd read the Globe every day (former delivery boy 1991-95!), there was such a stark contrast between Shaughnessy and Gammons. Shaughnessy could really write but seemed to be in the business of writing just to show he was more clever than you for hating everything. Gammons, meanwhile, put together some cockamamie sentence structure but his humanity and enjoyment of baseball really would shine through.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 10:15:08 GMT -5
Three hours of parade coverage on MLB Network. Even the best fans would have a hard time sitting through all that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 31, 2018 10:26:13 GMT -5
It's always about him. He's literally a cancer. This goes way beyond Price. I felt him siding with the NFL against Brady was the lowest he's gone. I don't ever read him, but "literally a cancer" is both linguistically wrong and a metaphor I don't care for. They literally updated the definition of the word because it was used incorrectly so frequently. It’s now recognized in the informal; Dictionaries have been changed. I was very annoyed when it happened and I blame it for all the worlds ills.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 10:32:14 GMT -5
I don't ever read him, but "literally a cancer" is both linguistically wrong and a metaphor I don't care for. They literally updated the definition of the word because it was used incorrectly so frequently. It’s now recognized in the informal; Dictionaries have been changed. I was very annoyed when it happened and I blame it for all the worlds ills. So they changed the definition of literal to mean the opposite of what it originally meant? Ugh. What does "not literal" mean now?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 31, 2018 10:34:48 GMT -5
Three hours of parade coverage on MLB Network. Even the best fans would have a hard time sitting through all that. This one is my first one. I watched the pre-parade and now about 1/2 hour of parade. Time to bail out. (In England they bale out).
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 31, 2018 10:35:18 GMT -5
It's still literally my pet peeve!
Also, I can usually grit my teeth and look past it, keeping my sneering condescension internalized. But combined with the cancer metaphor it was kind of a double whammy. I don't like cancer as a metaphor in general, but I can see it aptness when it's actually a case of someone's negativity or poor performance bringing down others to the detriment of the entire machine. But a trolling sportswriter writing mean things about teams that are really good and win a lot is... definitely not cancer. It's more like that time Chris Sale had a weird infection but struck out a flailing Manny Machado anyway. Remember that? That was awesome.
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Post by gerry on Oct 31, 2018 10:35:49 GMT -5
Three hours of parade coverage on MLB Network. Even the best fans would have a hard time sitting through all that. I am recording it and will eventually watch all of it piecemeal. It will be a source of pleasant memories until ST begins
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 31, 2018 10:36:42 GMT -5
They literally updated the definition of the word because it was used incorrectly so frequently. It’s now recognized in the informal; Dictionaries have been changed. I was very annoyed when it happened and I blame it for all the worlds ills. So they changed the definition of literal to mean the opposite of what it originally meant? Ugh. What does "not literal" mean now? Inflammable, who knew.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 11:01:12 GMT -5
Three hours of parade coverage on MLB Network. Even the best fans would have a hard time sitting through all that. I am recording it and will eventually watch all of it piecemeal. It will be a source of pleasant memories until ST begins I want the dvd, but actually I'd rather just have the digital download since I don't have a dvd player hooked up to my tv anymore.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 31, 2018 11:21:39 GMT -5
I’m one of the few who likes Shaughnessy. I don’t often agree with him, but the man can write and he writes some damn good stuff at times. It’s just hidden behind a lot of pessimistic stuff which is too bad because when he writes about stuff he’s passionate about he’s damn good. Here's the thing I don't like about Shaughnessy: He treats the changes to the Red Sox over time as a sort of weird, ephemeral, almost mystical thing. They had a cloud hanging over them, but then everything changed because... reasons? Like I don't know how you give this oral history of the Red Sox and talk about how oh, it used to be like this, but then then it was like this, and act like all of that stuff just fell from the sky. Like no wonder you can't get over your "Red Sox Will Blow It Syndrome" when you don't seem to think at all about how changes in ownership and management drive the events on the field. Stuff like being one of the last teams to integrate, or then later being the first team to pair modern baseball analytics with a large payroll, that stuff is just all incidental to him apparently, doesn't rate a mention in this story. But those things are the story. "The Red Sox never used to win, but now they do, and I don't understand or accept that" is not a story about a baseball team, it's a story about the superstitions that are rolling around in Dan's head, which... who cares?
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 31, 2018 11:22:18 GMT -5
Fun fact that I forgot about. The Blue Jays paid for most of Pearce's salary in that trade. Thank you Toronto.
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