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2013 Spring Training Discussion
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Post by JP Kitson on Mar 5, 2013 14:01:59 GMT -5
Wow, 111mph that's impressive , drunk or not. I simply didn't know that Britton was capable of that kind of Velocity. @jonathanmayo Drake Britton, redsox prospect, reportedly went 111 mph in DUI arrest. That's at least a 90 on the scouting scale for velo Are you here Jonathan Mayo? Either way I don't see comedy in this. I dont always agree with Keith Law, but his point about a 50 game suspension for smoking pot, but no suspension for a DUI is insane.
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Post by njsox on Mar 5, 2013 14:03:22 GMT -5
I get that people make mistakes, but there are mistakes and then there are MISTAKES - and this one could have easily killed somebody. I know he's a "young kid", but he's old enough to know better. He's damn lucky he didn't kill somebody. He'll get a second chance, but if I'm the Red Sox, I wouldn't even want this kid taking another drink again, because apparently he cannot handle the responsibility that goes with it. And if he does, get rid of him. Beyond the issue of personal responsibility, which is serious enough, there is the issue of professional responsibility. If he had done this during the offseason, during holiday/party season, that's one thing. But pulling something like this during ST, when he's by definition supposed to be trying to make the best impression on his employers? Beyond being dangerous and raising questions about his personal makeup, it's just plain dumb. The professional responsibility is really a concern here. They caught him at 4:18 AM and he was scheduled to pitch in a game that day. Hopefully this is a huge wake-up call for this kid as a professional. In his first big league camp he definitely made the wrong impression and he needs to atone for that.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 5, 2013 18:03:15 GMT -5
A hitter with no power can get 4 extra base hits at 18 bats? Yes. Any hitter can do anything in 18 at bats.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 5, 2013 18:05:04 GMT -5
Either way I don't see comedy in this. I dont always agree with Keith Law, but his point about a 50 game suspension for smoking pot, but no suspension for a DUI is insane. Hell, a 50 game suspension for any substance and nothing for a DUI is insane. PED use endangers abstract concepts, like the "purity" of the game or whatever. Driving drunk at 100 miles an hour endangers the actual lives of actual people.
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Post by spaceman1968 on Mar 5, 2013 18:36:35 GMT -5
Terrible Judgement on his part. He is lucky he did not kill himself or anyone else.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2013 18:39:56 GMT -5
glad no one was hurt. i hope this wont hurt his career at all. he did well in AA last year, and i hope to see him in boston soon. he still has good stuff and could stick as a starter
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 5, 2013 19:19:39 GMT -5
They caught him at 4:18 AM and he was scheduled to pitch in a game that day. Wow, hadn't even put that together.
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Post by danr on Mar 5, 2013 20:04:28 GMT -5
He's 23 years old. He's not a kid. There is no excuse for conduct like this unless some terrible tragedy happened to him prior to it. He is in deep doo-doo, and should be.
A 50-game suspension for pot is just stupid. It is in the process of being legalized, although it may take a while. The way it has been handled by government has been idiotic, but then...
However, a 50-game suspension might not be enough for what Britton did. He also is going to face some legal issues, which may be severe if the reports are true.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 5, 2013 21:04:34 GMT -5
He's 23 years old. He's not a kid. There is no excuse for conduct like this unless some terrible tragedy happened to him prior to it. He is in deep doo-doo, and should be. A 50-game suspension for pot is just stupid. It is in the process of being legalized, although it may take a while. The way it has been handled by government has been idiotic, but then... However, a 50-game suspension might not be enough for what Britton did. He also is going to face some legal issues, which may be severe if the reports are true. One of the previous posters pointed that out, and it's probably the biggest issue. If the law is applied in this case as it would be for someone not on a spring training roster, his difficulties are just starting. It is Florida, and that they do make a bit of money off of MLB, but that may not come into play in an impartial courtroom. Above all, this kid needs help to see how badly he's screwing himself.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 5, 2013 21:53:18 GMT -5
He won't face as many legal problems as he probably should. Be declining the breathalyzer, they would need to have done a blood test after bringing him in, which none of the reports make mention of. By declining the breathalyzer, at least in MA, you automatically lose your license for a year. But with a 1st offense, a fine and loss of license is pretty much all that comes out of it.
Meanwhile, if you fail the breathalyzer, the punishments can become much harsher.
Unfortunately I've been through this before, thankfully not myself, I learned better at a young age when a relative unfortunately made a dumb decision.
It was actually a fairly quick and simple process when this was dealt with, although that was something like 10 years ago so obviously things could have changed. But with a 1st offense and no other record, it's usually treated as a mistake and loss of license. If you do it again, then you start to get in serious trouble
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Post by awall422 on Mar 6, 2013 7:30:46 GMT -5
I'd be happy to see the Sox cut him loose. 23 is not a kid, 13 is a kid. His judgment and flagrant disregard for the lives of others is inexcusable for either a pitching prospect or regular guy off the streets.
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Post by raftsox on Mar 6, 2013 7:53:56 GMT -5
Either way I don't see comedy in this. I dont always agree with Keith Law, but his point about a 50 game suspension for smoking pot, but no suspension for a DUI is insane. Hell, a 50 game suspension for any substance and nothing for a DUI is insane. PED use endangers abstract concepts, like the "purity" of the game or whatever. Driving drunk at 100 miles an hour endangers the actual lives of actual people. The 50 game suspension is only for minor leaguers. I forget who it was, but a year or two ago there was a prospect who was in trouble for his second pot conviction and was added to the 40 man shortly afterwards to avoid the 100(?) game suspension. I think we can all agree that it was a stupid decision on Drake's part, but probably, like the rest of us who do stupid things; he'll learn from this and it won't happen again.
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Post by hammerhead on Mar 6, 2013 9:01:57 GMT -5
He will receive absolutely no punishment from the MLB and that's the way it should be. This is a team matter and a legal matter and as such it will be handled by the team and the Authorities. It won't be much different then Cody Kukuk. People saying that he needs to be cut should join the real world. He is a left-handed pitcher who throws a 95mph fastball and the Sox have mucho money invested in him, they won't cut him. His talent and youth trump any moral outrage you may have. It's his first offense, get him some help and get him back pitching as soon as possible. If he won't go for re-hab or whatever then you may have an issue. The biggest issue he has is the evading charge, it will hold a much stiffer penalty then the DUI. If he does time then I could see him being cut, but money will keep him out of jail. They will treat this similar to Kukuk as long as he is cooperative (which I guarantee he will be). In my opinion a couple months to a year on the restricted list is what he will get from the team. Hopefully he'll keep in shape and get cleaned up be at least a trade chip. I wonder if this will open a 40 man roster spot? I'm not sure how that works with the restricted list etc.
By the way there is definitely room for comedy in this.
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Post by afineline on Mar 6, 2013 9:08:18 GMT -5
off subject, or really back on subject...ST
Is anyone going to be in FL to provide minor league ST news?
Would be interested in hearing about players with upside that we don't read about everyday
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 6, 2013 17:48:30 GMT -5
The professional responsibility is really a concern here. They caught him at 4:18 AM and he was scheduled to pitch in a game that day. Hopefully this is a huge wake-up call for this kid as a professional. In his first big league camp he definitely made the wrong impression and he needs to atone for that. I've seen this mentioned in a couple places so I don't mean to pick on you, but Britton was arrested at 4:18am Saturday morning, and he was scheduled to pitch on Sunday. That doesn't really make anything any better, I just though it important to correct a misconception I've been seeing.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 6, 2013 21:06:40 GMT -5
Attended today's game at beautiful JetBlue on a sunny but windy day and offer my observations.
Pitching:
Lester started and went 4 innings giving up 2 hits, 3 walks and one run. His FB ranged from 91-93 and his cutter was consistent at 89
RDLR was considerably less than advertised on this occasion. He pitched 2 innings with his FB in the 91-94 range. He did have one pitch clocked at 95. His FB was regularly attacked with menace and he had no swings and misses with it. His two stikeouts came on 81 mph change-ups. I recall he gave up 3 runs (2 earned) in his outing. He made a nice stop of a come-backer but then threw past 1B and down the right field line allowing the runner to get to third.
Tazawa looked impressive. His FB ranged from 91-93, his split in the low 80s and a curve about 74
Players:
Iglesius made an excellent athletic play in the hole throwing to 2B for a force, Holt made a diving stop at third on a bullet and threw to first for the out, Ciriaco made 2 excellent plays...the first an over the shoulder catch in short right and the second a diving stop in the hole b/t 1B and 2B and threw out the runner. Bradley nicely cut off a ball in left center holding the runner to a single and made several strong throws to the infield. IF Ellsbury departs, we won't miss his weak throws.
At the plate Holt made strong contact with a couple of line drive outs, Iglesius had a sharp shot to third and a line drive out to medium deep right. Gomes hit one to the track in center and doubled down the line in left. Linhares also had a hard double to the LF corner. Linhares does not look like a great athlete but seems to get the job done. I hope that he gets the 5th outfielder position on the club. Ciriaco had two hard line drive hits and a line-drive out to the 3B. I can't see this guy not making the team. JBJr. was also impressive at the plate. He struck out on a 3-2 pitch away (called) the first time up but battled the lefty pitcher with a couple of hard line drives foul to left. The next two times he walked showing the top-end patience he is known for. One was a 5 pitch walk but the other was a classic fouling off the good pitch exercise until the pitcher lost the battle. This guy appears to have outstanding pitch location judgment.
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Post by station13 on Mar 6, 2013 21:15:52 GMT -5
Were those jetBlue park guns? it's a little slow. I watch the YES broadcast Sunday, their feed has fastballs 2MPH faster than the NESN feed.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 7, 2013 8:01:37 GMT -5
Were those jetBlue park guns? it's a little slow. I watch the YES broadcast Sunday, their feed has fastballs 2MPH faster than the NESN feed. Yes. It was the stadium gun. Since Lester topped at 93...about where he was last year and the same for Tazawa...and given this is still early, I think the gun was accurate. I was anxious to see RDLR and surprised that, after reports of his throwing 100+, the velocity was only a tad (and not consistently so) higher than Lester and Tazawa.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 7, 2013 14:30:15 GMT -5
carl... carl....carl...... shame.....
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Post by station13 on Mar 7, 2013 14:41:53 GMT -5
Oy, Hanrahan is getting lit up by the Twinkies. 5 base runners 1/3IP
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 7, 2013 14:49:20 GMT -5
Ho Hum, another homer for napoli
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 7, 2013 15:18:06 GMT -5
RT @bradfo: Bard gets strikeout on 96 mph. Comes back with 97 mph
YAH!!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2013 15:20:51 GMT -5
wow, hanrahan is doing GREAT this spring. im being sarcastic. four runs, one out today, making his ERA 18.00! did the sox front office learn anything anything from last year? they traded for melancon and bailey, giving up players who has good years,(lowrie, reddick) and those relievers both blew up and did terrible. i'm surprised that they didn't take a hint last year that it is better to develop a closer, not to trade for one. did they notice hanrahan's declining walk rate and his increasing fly ball rate? maybe he will rebound, but at this point, the trade for him is looking pretty bad.
i'd also like to add that bard came in and struck out the side.
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 7, 2013 15:43:28 GMT -5
wow, hanrahan is doing GREAT this spring. im being sarcastic. four runs, one out today, making his ERA 18.00! did the sox front office learn anything anything from last year? they traded for melancon and bailey, giving up players who has good years,(lowrie, reddick) and those relievers both blew up and did terrible. i'm surprised that they didn't take a hint last year that it is better to develop a closer, not to trade for one. did they notice hanrahan's declining walk rate and his increasing fly ball rate? maybe he will rebound, but at this point, the trade for him is looking pretty bad. i'd also like to add that bard came in and struck out the side. How is the trade looking pretty bad? Based off a couple rough spring training appearances in non-save situations in the early-mid innings of meaningless games? We gave up a reliever who failed miserably last year (I am still a fan of Melancon and wish him luck in the NL), a 1B/OF who hasn't shown the ability to hit at the MLB level and wasn't going to have a spot with us anyways, and some nothing pieces. We got back a guy who has been a more successful closer in the NL than Melancon was even when he was solid for the Astros, as well as a solid middle infield prospect who, while he is properly behind Ciriaco for now, is going to be a far more disciplined and successful hitter in the long run. We didn't lose a valuable piece like we did with Lowrie in the first Melancon trade, and we have plenty of depth in the bullpen, including an experienced closer and others who would be capable of stepping in. Give Hanrahan a chance though. Let's see him actually pitch in a couple situation he was meant to pitch in before judging him. Unless his velocity is way out of wack with expectations, or his command is absolutely horrified, I wouldn't worry too much about it right now. EDIT: it could be worse than Hanrahan. What if we still had our boy? "@gordonedes: Worried about Hanrahan? In Philly, Pap has a 43.20 ERA, giving up 7 H, 8 ER in 1 2/3 innings"
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 7, 2013 16:01:34 GMT -5
Nice day so far from the pitchers besides Hanrahan.
Good stuff from Buch
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