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Carson Smith elects FA, Haley and Renda outrighted
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 1, 2018 15:06:42 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 1, 2018 15:25:15 GMT -5
I'll be interested to see if they try to bring Smith back on a (well-paying) minor league deal with an opt out of something to rehab.
This is why we project no issues getting whoever the club wants to add onto the 40-man - there's a number of guys who can be outrighted.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 1, 2018 17:19:39 GMT -5
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Post by GyIantosca on Nov 2, 2018 6:07:55 GMT -5
Good riddance, he tried blaming Cora for being overused. Lol. At least that will stop the nonsense to trade prospects for relievers. A good organization should be able to developed bullpen arms. They are your failed starters in the minor leagues. More or less.
You draft good pitchers hoping to develope a third pitch and it doesn’t work so next option is bullpen. Now a days it is not as bad as the past. You can see now the last three drafts they been sprinkling relievers in there draft. Thank god for that.
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Post by fdrnewdeal on Nov 3, 2018 11:56:48 GMT -5
ehhh, I think folks should give Smith a break. He's had a terrible 2 years after looking like a stud. It's had to have been really demoralizing. To say nothing of how much this has financially impacted him.
These people are people and baseball is hard. They benefit enormously from being healthy and productive and work really hard to get there. When it falls through, it has to hurt.
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Post by nomar on Nov 3, 2018 12:23:10 GMT -5
He was a pillar of durability, maturity, and accountability. He will be sorely missed.
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Post by gerry on Nov 3, 2018 14:27:29 GMT -5
He was a pillar of durability, maturity, and accountability. He will be sorely missed. You and new deal each make good point. A hopeful conclusion to both points may be that Smith the stud is enduring two-three humbling years of reality checking maturation, resulting in a finished product: a really good, reasonably priced, back end RP. If that is the case, some team will benefit from signing him. |
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 30, 2018 20:56:30 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 30, 2018 21:58:15 GMT -5
Well that's a bit of surprise after what happened at the end. |
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 30, 2018 21:59:45 GMT -5
Well that's a bit of surprise after what happened at the end. Surprising, but welcome. No risk deal, with a lot of potential reward. When is Smith expected to be back from his shoulder surgery? |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 30, 2018 22:12:33 GMT -5
Well that's a bit of surprise after what happened at the end. Surprising, but welcome. No risk deal, with a lot of potential reward. When is Smith expected to be back from his shoulder surgery? He's going to miss most if not all of the year. The Sox can still add him to the 40 man roster in 2020, so it's a really good and smart move on their end. |
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 30, 2018 22:34:37 GMT -5
Where are you seeing that he’ll be out most if not all of the year. I know that’s what’s going on for Maddox, but every article I’ve read has said Smith’s getting an invite to the big league camp during spring training and has the chance to make the roster if he’s healthy. That doesn’t sound like someone that’s going to be out the whole year.
Smith underwent surgery in June. Unless there was a lot of soft tissue damage, I don’t think surgery for a shoulder subluxation has more than the 9 or so months of recovery time that Smith will have by the time spring training starts.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 31, 2018 8:54:52 GMT -5
My guess is he's confusing Smith and Maddox.
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Post by Smittyw on Dec 31, 2018 9:17:14 GMT -5
I'm glad to see this. If I recall correctly, he was pitching decently before the, er, unfortunate circumstance that led to his injury. (For what it's worth, I always thought his comment about the supposed overuse got blown a bit out of proportion as well.)
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Post by gerry on Dec 31, 2018 13:01:03 GMT -5
I'm glad to see this. If I recall correctly, he was pitching decently before the, er, unfortunate circumstance that led to his injury. (For what it's worth, I always thought his comment about the supposed overuse got blown a bit out of proportion as well.) Not too big of a guess that DDo has been negotiating with Smith (along with Robertson, Herrera, etc.) for some time, even as he talked about not spending big bucks on the Pen. Smith and Thornburg were recent big Bullpen acquisitions who were lost to injuries. As were Workman and Wright. If back to form, and DDo would know better than we, then he is speaking straight again; and we and the media are more worried than he is. Edit: BTW, we have often seen pitchers slam their gloves down in frustration. We may have a healthy and matured Carson Smith returning to the Sox. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 31, 2018 13:42:33 GMT -5
Carson Smith: derelict
Eduardo Rodriguez: Heat of the moment in a big game
And yes, I recall the Smith comment not sounding nearly as bad in context as well, although I'm not 100 percent certain.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 31, 2018 13:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Dec 31, 2018 13:48:41 GMT -5
Yeah, you were the one who pointed that out here to begin with, right Ray?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 31, 2018 14:27:23 GMT -5
Yes but mostly because I was also upset about his remarks until I stumbled onto that. Journalism is dead, sensationalism replaced it.
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Very surprised by this. Coming off a shoulder injury (caused by throwing his glove at the bench) that he oddly tried to blame Alex Cora for. All is forgiven searching for depth it seems.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 31, 2018 16:53:21 GMT -5
This is why I posted that I thought Smith would miss most of the 2019 season. Hey if he bounced back sooner than expected, then great. All the power to Carson Smith for coming back sooner than expected. It sounded ominous at the time, but if he's getting invited to big league camp, then I guess it's not so bad? |
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Post by gerry on Jan 1, 2019 2:20:23 GMT -5
IMO it’s actually good. Yay. Happy New Year. Good start to 2019.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 1, 2019 12:30:15 GMT -5
Well that's a bit of surprise after what happened at the end. Surprising, but welcome. No risk deal, with a lot of potential reward. When is Smith expected to be back from his shoulder surgery? I really think the organization views that outburst and the events around it much differently than the media and fans do. I’m not sold on the character judgements on him, and certainly it doesn’t look like the team does either, since they know him best. I’d love to see him make it back and have success, ideally with the Sox but basically, just in general. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 1, 2019 14:00:44 GMT -5
This is why I posted that I thought Smith would miss most of the 2019 season. Hey if he bounced back sooner than expected, then great. All the power to Carson Smith for coming back sooner than expected. It sounded ominous at the time, but if he's getting invited to big league camp, then I guess it's not so bad? I'm trying to remember if they've invited guys to camp knowing they're hurt before. Obviously guys on the 40 are in camp whether or not they're hurt. In theory, it could be "you need to rehab, we'll bring you in on a minor league deal although you'll be rehabbing in MLB camp, then Pawtucket" or something like that? |
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Post by swingingbunt on Jan 1, 2019 15:12:58 GMT -5
Certain minor league players can receive opt-outs throughout the year. Is an invite to big league camp a requirement for that?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 1, 2019 20:12:00 GMT -5
Certain minor league players can receive opt-outs throughout the year. Is an invite to big league camp a requirement for that? Unrelated. Minor league fee agents who get opt outs usually also get NRIs because that's the kind of player that gets both, but there isn't an actual relationship. That said, a player getting an opt out is getting it so that they can opt out if they're still not in the MLB roster, so... would be silly to give a guy an opt out if they're not invited to big league camp. |
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