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Post by Don Caballero on Nov 16, 2018 20:51:55 GMT -5
Fantastic deal.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 16, 2018 21:19:38 GMT -5
I guess I wonder what you think a guy who can hit .270 with a SA of about .450 and an OBP of about .350 in about 350 ABs is worth. And yeah I hope Eovaldi is next. Kimbrel is a goner so I would anticipate Eovaldi gets that money, and they'll need a high leverage relief arm. Perhaps it's a guy named Joe Kelly. Maybe they really did fix him. I've seen him have good stretches before but never saw him go 10 innings with a 13/0 K/BB ratio, so maybe they're on to something. Time will tell. It's not a big enough sample size to convince me, but it's more than enough to intrigue me given his stuff and that he is a fit for Boston. I would anticipate that Pearce, Evoaldi, and Kelly are the guys Dombrowski brings back. Pearce should be that this year, but durability is a thing with Pearce and he isn't durable. It's kind of like the Kinsler deal for me. Like the player and the fit, but the price was kind of a lot in my eyes at least. I'm happy for Pearce though. He is the kind of guy you want your daughter to marry. Nicest and most humble guy ever. He was durable with the Sox. JD Martinez had that kind of a reputation too, but he stated healthy the whole season. I think Pearce used to play a fair amount of LF which probably taxed him. Staying at 1b and doing some occasional DH and being in a platoon role, I would anticipate that he'd be relatively healthy.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 16, 2018 21:22:39 GMT -5
Don't love it. That's really high price for a platoon for a year. At least it's only for one year. A "platoon player" with a 120 wRC+ vs. RHP in 1020 PA since he started not being a strict platoon player in 2014. In the same time frame, Moreland is 102. (Yes, these figures are in base 10, not base 3). Pearce was 124 this year.
Pearce not only has the edge 113 to 94 over the last three seasons (what projections are based on), he's had the edge in each of them. If you want to cherry-pick and go back to 2015, the one year Moreland was better, you can reduce Pearce's edge to 112 vs. 103. That's the best you can do.
He'll get a lot of starts vs. RHP. His only downside is missing about 40 games a year with an assortment of injuries, but that's not necessarily predictive.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2018 21:28:05 GMT -5
Don't love it. That's really high price for a platoon for a year. At least it's only for one year. A "platoon player" with a 120 wRC+ vs. RHP in 1020 PA since he started not being a strict platoon player in 2014. In the same time frame, Moreland is 102. (Yes, these figures are in base 10, not base 3). Pearce was 124 this year.
Pearce not only has the edge 113 to 94 over the last three seasons (what projections are based on), he's had the edge in each of them. If you want to cherry-pick and go back to 2015, the one year Moreland was better, you can reduce Pearce's edge to 112 vs. 103. That's the best you can do.
He'll get a lot of starts vs. RHP. His only downside is missing about 40 games a year with an assortment of injuries, but that's not necessarily predictive.
Hey I hope you're right because Moreland isn't any better than league average in a "good season" for him. Pearce is probably the better player without blinking a eye. Let's see if he stays healthy. If he does then most of you will be right about this deal and I will be wrong.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 16, 2018 21:30:32 GMT -5
Great deal allows them to compete with the same core and clubhouse as last season. While the one year deal gives them massive cap flex the season after. If they bring back Evoaldi and leave the bullpen as is ill be satisfied I don't want to see a Kelly contract that straps them when we know what he is in the regular season.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 16, 2018 23:50:14 GMT -5
Pearce was worth about $10 million all by his lonesome last year, and that's without counting the soul crushing he did to the opposition post-season. So yes, this seems like a very reasonable deal to me.
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Post by dirtdog on Nov 17, 2018 0:18:37 GMT -5
I dont have a problem with it. So ends the Goldschmidt pipe dream.
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Post by libertine on Nov 17, 2018 1:03:46 GMT -5
What wonderful news! Happy they got it done early. This is like an early Christmas present.
Grew up a Red sox fan. Won a world championship with Boston late in his career. Deserves to feel the Fenway love for a full season at least. A model professional liked by his teammates. This made sense all around. Almost too much sense, too obvious.
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Post by soxjim on Nov 17, 2018 2:56:50 GMT -5
Love it. Just love it.
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Post by bluechip on Nov 17, 2018 3:34:33 GMT -5
Perfect deal. Nice to bring back a World Series rental without having to pay a premium in years or money. It’s worth noting that he has some positional flexibility. I am not sure I’d stick him at second st this point in his career (last played there in 2016), but he should be able to play the corners.
Hope he enjoys trying to navigate his new Chevy pickup around Boston.
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Post by tookme55 on Nov 17, 2018 6:15:35 GMT -5
He's a perfect guy for the Sox. Good teammate who can still play. It's just a one year deal. If he has a great year, then he'll get another 1 year deal. I can hear his wife telling him, "for God's sake, take the deal. It's $6M. And you're happy."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 17, 2018 20:52:37 GMT -5
This is kind of why I thought the price was a little high relative to the market last year. Granted the Sox got a deal done for the one year, but 35+ year old platoon players aren't getting paid these days. Red Sox are putting their money where there mouth is when it comes to wanting to bring back the core for at least one more year though, which is great.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 17, 2018 20:57:23 GMT -5
This is kind of why I thought the price was a little high relative to the market last year. Granted the Sox got a deal done for the one year, but 35+ year old platoon players aren't getting paid these days. Red Sox are putting their money where there mouth is when it comes to wanting to bring back the core for at least one more year though, which is great. I would think most of those guys are washed up. David Ortiz got a lot more than Pearce did when he was 35 but he was David Ortiz. I would simply guess that Pearce was better than most of those guys. He's certainly not a guy who became a free agent as a guy who had struggled and needed a prove-it-to-me 1 year deal, yet he took only 1 year anyway. Awesome deal for the Sox and Steve Pearce is exactly where he wanted to be. He said he wanted to be at Fenway when they get their rings. Now he will. The Sox and Pearce are a perfect match for each other in 2018 and in 2019. As far as Cruz goes, he'll get more than $6.25 million. He'll probably get $10 million or possibly more to DH for a year or two. He still can mash 35 - 40 homers per year. Beltre will probably get less, especially if he comes back to Texas which is where he wants to stay. Granderson will probably make less. He's not really that great at this point of his career. He'll either be a bench player for a good team and play less than Pearce does or more likely a semi-regular player for a cellar dweller type team that's not flush with cash.
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Post by soxjim on Nov 17, 2018 22:11:44 GMT -5
This is kind of why I thought the price was a little high relative to the market last year. Granted the Sox got a deal done for the one year, but 35+ year old platoon players aren't getting paid these days. Red Sox are putting their money where there mouth is when it comes to wanting to bring back the core for at least one more year though, which is great. I would think most of those guys are washed up. David Ortiz got a lot more than Pearce did when he was 35 but he was David Ortiz. I would simply guess that Pearce was better than most of those guys. He's certainly not a guy who became a free agent as a guy who had struggled and needed a prove-it-to-me 1 year deal, yet he took only 1 year anyway. Awesome deal for the Sox and Steve Pearce is exactly where he wanted to be. He said he wanted to be at Fenway when they get their rings. Now he will. The Sox and Pearce are a perfect match for each other in 2018 and in 2019. As far as Cruz goes, he'll get more than $6.25 million. He'll probably get $10 million or possibly more to DH for a year or two. He still can mash 35 - 40 homers per year. Beltre will probably get less, especially if he comes back to Texas which is where he wants to stay. Granderson will probably make less. He's not really that great at this point of his career. He'll either be a bench player for a good team and play less than Pearce does or more likely a semi-regular player for a cellar dweller type team that's not flush with cash. I agree with you. Imo what we have here is a classic example of the media using irrelevant data and trying to twist it into some relevance instead of "each year and each player is different." Who cares whether it's a "steal?" SO what "35 or 34" or "34.5" or "36.5" unless you have data for more than 1 year - you (not you personally) need many to make his point. So he is talking an irrelevant point of "steal" and trying to make it bigger point than it ought to be. Big deal if it isn't a "steal." The Sox don't need a "steal." Looking below at the link from Fangraphs whom I would have a lot more confidence that "Jeff Passan" we have four guys this season projected to make in double-digit millions per Fangraphs Kiley McDaniel. Lowrie-- $15m Cruz --- $14m Beltre -- $12m Markaikis $11m www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2019-top-50-free-agents/ooops I went to edit and accidentally hit "like" on my own post and I dont know how to undo it.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 17, 2018 22:15:50 GMT -5
Considering that the Red Sox are going to go past the highest CBT threshold anyway (and yes, they are), a one-year deal could literally be for any amount of money and be fine, as far as I'm concerned.
Go with Pearce/Moreland for a year, see if Chavis or Ockimey or even Travis (or, hell, even Dalbec and one of he or Devers moves to first) steps up for 2020. I like it.
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