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Post by Addam603 on Dec 5, 2018 19:30:09 GMT -5
Nats are spending 140 million for Corbin. 17 million over four years is not even half that. You can’t tell me Corbin is twice as good as Eovaldi, with two extra years of paying Corbin.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2018 19:43:11 GMT -5
So, let's say it's 4/70. Is he coming back as a Starter or will he be the Closer?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2018 19:45:29 GMT -5
So, let's say it's 4/70. Is he coming back as a Starter or will he be the Closer? Quite obviously as a starter and possible post-season rover. They're not paying that kind of dough for a closer. The guy is capable of going 6 innings as a reliever. Obviously you don't waste him as a 1 inning reliever at this stage of his career. He could/should wind up being a front-line starter going forward.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2018 19:51:41 GMT -5
So, let's say it's 4/70. Is he coming back as a Starter or will he be the Closer? Quite obviously as a starter and possible post-season rover. They're not paying that kind of dough for a closer. Hmmm, I'm not so sure. Isn't that the going rate for a Closer? Isn't that the better roll for him, for the Sox? Don't the Sox need a Closer more then a Starter?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 5, 2018 19:52:04 GMT -5
Nats are spending 140 million for Corbin. 17 million over four years is not even half that. You can’t tell me Corbin is twice as good as Eovaldi, with two extra years of paying Corbin. Eh - I think the odds of Corbin being worth twice as much over the next six years as Eovaldi is over the next four are pretty decent, and that's not really a shot at Eovaldi. Corbin's bWAR over the last two years is 8.4. Eovaldi's bWAR for his whole career is 9.0.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2018 20:01:02 GMT -5
Nats are spending 140 million for Corbin. 17 million over four years is not even half that. You can’t tell me Corbin is twice as good as Eovaldi, with two extra years of paying Corbin. Eh - I think the odds of Corbin being worth twice as much over the next six years as Eovaldi is over the next four are pretty decent, and that's not really a shot at Eovaldi. Corbin's bWAR over the last two years is 8.4. Eovaldi's bWAR for his whole career is 9.0. I'd bet against that. The medical history of slider dominant pitchers isn't great and Eovaldi just got a clean bill of health.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2018 20:04:11 GMT -5
If Eovaldi signs, a rotation of Sale,Price, ERod, Eovaldi and Porcello with Johnson, Velazquez and Wright queued, opens up a plethora of options the Sox could take in filling their pen or restocking prospects.
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Post by swingingbunt on Dec 5, 2018 20:13:17 GMT -5
Eovaldi was a joy to watch pitch. I'm terrified of what the roster will look like in 3 years, but we might as well ride the wave while we can.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 5, 2018 20:14:21 GMT -5
If Eovaldi signs, a rotation of Sale,Price, ERod, Eovaldi and Porcello with Johnson, Velazquez and Wright queued, opens up a plethora of options the Sox could take in filling their pen. I like him as the Closer not a Starter
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 5, 2018 20:20:31 GMT -5
If Eovaldi signs, a rotation of Sale,Price, ERod, Eovaldi and Porcello with Johnson, Velazquez and Wright queued, opens up a plethora of options the Sox could take in filling their pen. I like him as the Closer not a Starter Why do you keep trying to make Eovaldi less valuable?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2018 20:20:36 GMT -5
If Eovaldi signs, a rotation of Sale,Price, ERod, Eovaldi and Porcello with Johnson, Velazquez and Wright queued, opens up a plethora of options the Sox could take in filling their pen. I like him as the Closer not a Starter A starter generates far more WAR than a closer and the difference in WAR between the top closer and average closer is pretty negligible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 5, 2018 20:26:22 GMT -5
If the Sox thought they were signing a closer, it wouldn't have been Eovaldi at that price. Britton, for example, is said to be looking for 3/33.
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Post by sportnik on Dec 5, 2018 20:43:37 GMT -5
Eovaldi was a joy to watch pitch. I'm terrified of what the roster will look like in 3 years, but we might as well ride the wave while we can. If Evoldi can stay healthy, this will be a great deal. There’s a good chance Porcelo & Sale won’t be back after 2019 and having Evoldi at that point would be huge.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 5, 2018 20:45:37 GMT -5
Quite obviously as a starter and possible post-season rover. They're not paying that kind of dough for a closer. Hmmm, I'm not so sure. Isn't that the going rate for a Closer? Isn't that the better roll for him, for the Sox? Don't the Sox need a Closer more then a Starter? It can be, but if the Sox wanted to, they could offer that money to Kimbrel. Doesn't appear they are. No, I'd say 175 innings of Eovaldi starting is more crucial than 70 innings of him relieving. Eovaldi is capable of throwing 100 pitches in an outing and maintaining his velocity. Why would you limit him to 15 or so for 1 inning? Matt Barnes could close if need be, but the odds are the Sox will spend far less to get a closer whether it's simply turning the job over to Barnes or spending money on a Herrera or Robertson type. Sooner or later Feltman might be ready for the job at some point. No Eovaldi belongs in the rotation and as he has shown if they need him in the pen for the post-season, in addition to his starting duties, he's capable of doing both.
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Post by greenmonster on Dec 5, 2018 21:12:25 GMT -5
Gotta figure the Sox see Eovaldi as a starter... with a slew of potential closers they should be able to wait out the market and get a reasonable deal. Probably missing someone...In no particular order (Britton, Miller, Robinson, Ottavino, Kimbrell, Parker, Soria, Familia, Herrara, Allen)
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Post by Canseco on Dec 5, 2018 22:45:10 GMT -5
I mean, he’s obviously a starter at this stage of his career. It’s a non-discussion.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Dec 5, 2018 22:50:48 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can trade to shed payroll? Or do they just ride out another year of the tax and penalty?
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Post by unitspin on Dec 6, 2018 0:24:17 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can trade to shed payroll? Or do they just ride out another year of the tax and penalty? Id say if there going to pay Evoaldi that type of dough that tax penalty is the last thing their worried about. Looks like an all in year even if it hurts this team in the future.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 6, 2018 3:20:10 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can trade to shed payroll? Or do they just ride out another year of the tax and penalty? I don't see how the Sox manage to get the payroll even under 250 million this year. They are going way over imo.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 6, 2018 4:10:57 GMT -5
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Post by gerry on Dec 6, 2018 4:13:10 GMT -5
Is there anyone we can trade to shed payroll? Or do they just ride out another year of the tax and penalty? I don't see how the Sox manage to get the payroll even under 250 million this year. They are going way over imo. Going for a repeat in 2019. Then shed some payroll to reset the cap in 2020. Extend Mookie for 2021 and keep contending with most of the 2018-2019 crew, some promotions, trades and FA’s. The window isn’t closing, even for 2020.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 6, 2018 6:03:04 GMT -5
I don't see how the Sox manage to get the payroll even under 250 million this year. They are going way over imo. Going for a repeat in 2019. Then shed some payroll to reset the cap in 2020. Extend Mookie for 2021 and keep contending with most of the 2018-2019 crew, some promotions, trades and FA’s. The window isn’t closing, even for 2020. I still have yet to see the Red Sox say that's the plan and I'm thinking that because of the way the Sox finances are structured, they might continuously go over the highest rung, for the most part, it's only money. Consider: Henry is worth more than the Steinbrenners. His net worth has almost doubled over the last five years to 2.6 billion according to Forbes whereas the Steinbrenner forture is shipping based and worldwide shipping has been doing OK recently but was taking staggering loses 4-5 years ago. Henry owns a higher percent of the Red Sox than the Steinbrenners own of the Yankees (55%). Henry will make more money from NESN revenues than he will from the Red Sox and that's rising significantly and expected to rise significantly for 2018. The money from NESN revenues isn't included in the revenue sharing, only the fees paid by NESN. The Yankees YES revenues are owned by a holding company not the Steinbrenners. Here's one article on how it works, relative to the World Series: www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2018/10/29/how-the-boston-red-sox-will-make-money-from-winning-world-series/#18a254f06cc1 This season, Boston had MLB's second-highest average local televisi0n ratings, behind only the St. Louis Cardinals. The Red Sox saw a 7.26 rating on NESN, a 26% year-over-year jump. The team won the AL East in both 2017 and 2018, but went from 93 regular-season wins to 108 wins.Higher ratings means Dunkin' Donuts is paying more for their ADs. Higher AD rates means more profit for Henry's RSN.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 6, 2018 7:40:24 GMT -5
Eovaldi is a starter plain and simple, but expect them to get creative with him to limit some innings in his first full season back from TJS. Also, it’s about the playoffs with this guy. He fits their mood perfectly. With or without Eovaldi this should be a playoff team. Every move made should be about the playoff roster in mind and who fits what they want to do with their pitchers come post season better than him?
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Post by James Dunne on Dec 6, 2018 8:38:24 GMT -5
Eovaldi is a starter plain and simple, but expect them to get creative with him to limit some innings in his first full season back from TJS. Also, it’s about the playoffs with this guy. He fits their mood perfectly. With or without Eovaldi this should be a playoff team. Every move made should be about the playoff roster in mind and who fits what they want to do with their pitchers come post season better than him? I don't have a lot to add to this other than the fact that I'm really happy Alex Cora is the one managing this on the game level.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Dec 6, 2018 9:18:50 GMT -5
Just win baby!
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