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Post by James Dunne on Nov 29, 2018 16:20:34 GMT -5
So this is kind of a cop-out extra-lukewarm take, but I'm kind of going to give the Red Sox the benefit of the doubt either way regarding Thornburg. I agree with the above that there's not much that we can take away from his 2018 performance. Whether to tender him a contract is based entirely on his medicals (and rehab and stuff over the last couple months), and we've got no clue about any of that information. If he's getting stronger they should. If he's probably shot then they shouldn't.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 29, 2018 22:02:30 GMT -5
Reports on Hernandez's breaking pitches have been maddeningly inconsistent. I'm going to try and pin that down once I get a minute one of these days. Thank you, please do! I remember Speier mentioning the addition of the slider, and saying it flashed plus. But I’d heard “flashes plus on his curve” too; this 2080 is on three looks and it seems the slider and curve had similar shape and 1-7 movement, so maybe he’s using a slurve with variable speeds. Been tough to suss out his real mix, tho the 70 FB/60 breaker/50CH combo is outstanding regardless of SL vs CB; if he went to a spike curve/SL mix I’d love it. Lots of overlapping velo ranges but chance for different movement with 4 pitches.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2018 13:06:54 GMT -5
Well Phillies ownership mentioned spending some stupid money or something to that effect.
Craig Kimbrel's agent is looking for 6 years (SIX YEARS???!?!?). 6 years for Kimbrel - well that WOULD be quite stupid. Stupid money and 6 years for Kimbrel could be a match made in heaven or hell, depending upon your perspective.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 13:14:42 GMT -5
I seriously have a hard time giving a relief pitcher more than 3 years no matter who he is. Maybe Mariano Rivera.
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Post by gerry on Nov 30, 2018 14:59:05 GMT -5
Well Phillies ownership mentioned spending some stupid money or something to that effect. Craig Kimbrel's agent is looking for 6 years (SIX YEARS???!?!?). 6 years for Kimbrel - well that WOULD be quite stupid. Stupid money and 6 years for Kimbrel could be a match made in heaven or hell, depending upon your perspective. 6 years seems crazy but at reasonable money could work out. However if they are crazy enough to want 6 years they are also crazy enough to want 6 years at top dollar. No thanks. Rather sign Eo and Herrera.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 30, 2018 15:43:47 GMT -5
The Sox gave Thornburg a contract, so they must believe in him a little to bounce back.
A lot of people, myself included thought he was a goner, but it seems like he took less to stay and prove himself all over again on a one year deal.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 30, 2018 15:51:46 GMT -5
The Sox gave Thornburg a contract, so they must believe in him a little to bounce back. A lot of people, myself included thought he was a goner, but it seems like he took less to stay and prove himself all over again on a one year deal. It's not guaranteed so there's zero risk. If he looks like crap in ST, he can be released.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 30, 2018 16:10:52 GMT -5
I seriously have a hard time giving a relief pitcher more than 3 years no matter who he is. Maybe Mariano Rivera. I don't get the fascination with giving rp big money deals over more then a cpl years. I'd say a high % of the deals after one season are seen as busts. That's why I hope the sox stay away from both Kelly and kimbrell the value to return does not even out.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 30, 2018 16:31:20 GMT -5
The Sox gave Thornburg a contract, so they must believe in him a little to bounce back. A lot of people, myself included thought he was a goner, but it seems like he took less to stay and prove himself all over again on a one year deal. It's not guaranteed so there's zero risk. If he looks like crap in ST, he can be released. Right. This basically gives them first dibs in the spring.
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Post by rjp313jr on Nov 30, 2018 20:27:51 GMT -5
Well Phillies ownership mentioned spending some stupid money or something to that effect. Craig Kimbrel's agent is looking for 6 years (SIX YEARS???!?!?). 6 years for Kimbrel - well that WOULD be quite stupid. Stupid money and 6 years for Kimbrel could be a match made in heaven or hell, depending upon your perspective. The agent should look for as long and as big a contract as possible but there’s also a scenario in which you ask for too much and just turn away legitimate suitors
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2018 21:34:11 GMT -5
Hunter Strickland is now a free agent. He'd be an interesting get. I know he has injury issues, perhaps anger issues, and didn't have his best season. Still, he throws really hard and can perhaps be a valuable late inning reliever. I think he might fit in with this pen.
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Post by bosox on Nov 30, 2018 22:30:58 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Dec 2, 2018 14:54:04 GMT -5
nypost.com/2018/12/01/yankees-could-see-robertson-and-britton-go-to-red-sox/So early indications seem to be that the two relievers that the Sox are targeting is David Robertson and Zach Britton. They want David Robertson on a two year deal most likely and seem unwilling to go over that, which is really smart. Gut feeling is that Britton is a guy that the Sox target for 3 years. He's one of the youngest out of the closer group outside of Kimbrel. He'd probably be the safest bet to give you really good value at 3 years. Boras might make that expenditure more pricey than what you may prefer (maybe 36 million dollars), but that price might be worthwhile. Boras might also want a opt out included, knowing how Boras does business and I can see the Sox giving into that. The article also mentions that Miller and Ottavino are most likely the Yankees top 2 targets in free agency, so they'll most likely get both of them because they got stupid amounts of money to spend this offseason.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 2, 2018 15:49:29 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before. I don't get it. He had no value coming off a 1.2 bwar season? Been worth 5.2 bwar over the last 4 years. Was projected to get only 2.8 million. He's not flashy, lefties hurt him last year, but his career splits are very good. Just a very solid bullpen arm that would look good at the back of many contenders bullpens. I'm going to guess fangraphs hates him do to lack of strikeouts.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 3, 2018 3:39:34 GMT -5
Here's the view of the Red Sox/Yankees bullpen situations from The New York posts viewpoint: Not only will the Yankees have to fill the vacancies created by the potential loss of free-agent relievers David Robertson and Zach Britton, there is a possibility the talented duo could land in their blood rivals’ bullpen.
When asked about Robertson, who has a house in Rhode Island, landing a three-year deal with Boston, a person with knowledge of the situation replied, “The Red Sox are in for less.’’
Which means the World Series champions are waiting to see if Robertson’s best offers will be for one or two years. And Britton, who will turn 31 on Dec. 22, could be looked upon by the Red Sox as their closer should Craig Kimbrel leave via free agency.nypost.com/2018/12/01/yankees-could-see-robertson-and-britton-go-to-red-sox/For me, I would be ecstatic if the Sox ended up with Eovaldi and two of Kelly, Britton or Robertson. I'd still be happy with Eovaldi and one of the three.
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Post by gerry on Dec 3, 2018 4:30:10 GMT -5
Here's the view of the Red Sox/Yankees bullpen situations from The New York posts viewpoint: Not only will the Yankees have to fill the vacancies created by the potential loss of free-agent relievers David Robertson and Zach Britton, there is a possibility the talented duo could land in their blood rivals’ bullpen.
When asked about Robertson, who has a house in Rhode Island, landing a three-year deal with Boston, a person with knowledge of the situation replied, “The Red Sox are in for less.’’
Which means the World Series champions are waiting to see if Robertson’s best offers will be for one or two years. And Britton, who will turn 31 on Dec. 22, could be looked upon by the Red Sox as their closer should Craig Kimbrel leave via free agency.nypost.com/2018/12/01/yankees-could-see-robertson-and-britton-go-to-red-sox/For me, I would be ecstatic if the Sox ended up with Eovaldi and two of Kelly, Britton or Robertson. I'd still be happy with Eovaldi and one of the three. In another thread Telson suggests going after Britton, Soria AND Robertson, the latter two I assume on rich one year deals, or being traded for solid prospects. The rationale being that the Sox can spend freely in 2019 to repeat, before likely going under the tax cap in 2020. Imagine Britton, Anderson, Soria, Barnes, Brasier, Johnson, Velasquez, aided and abetted by talented trainees Lakins, Feltman, Shawaryn, Hernandez who would become experienced Major Leaguers come 2020. That level of talent and depth is truly frightening. Haven’t even mentioned Kelly and others like Hembree yet.
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Post by bluechip on Dec 3, 2018 7:08:29 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before. I’d certainly take him. Useful bullpen arm.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 3, 2018 7:36:12 GMT -5
Here's the view of the Red Sox/Yankees bullpen situations from The New York posts viewpoint: Not only will the Yankees have to fill the vacancies created by the potential loss of free-agent relievers David Robertson and Zach Britton, there is a possibility the talented duo could land in their blood rivals’ bullpen.
When asked about Robertson, who has a house in Rhode Island, landing a three-year deal with Boston, a person with knowledge of the situation replied, “The Red Sox are in for less.’’
Which means the World Series champions are waiting to see if Robertson’s best offers will be for one or two years. And Britton, who will turn 31 on Dec. 22, could be looked upon by the Red Sox as their closer should Craig Kimbrel leave via free agency.nypost.com/2018/12/01/yankees-could-see-robertson-and-britton-go-to-red-sox/For me, I would be ecstatic if the Sox ended up with Eovaldi and two of Kelly, Britton or Robertson. I'd still be happy with Eovaldi and one of the three. In another thread Telson suggests going after Britton, Soria AND Robertson, the latter two I assume on rich one year deals, or being traded for solid prospects. The rationale being that the Sox can spend freely in 2019 to repeat, before likely going under the tax cap in 2020. Imagine Britton, Anderson, Soria, Barnes, Brasier, Johnson, Velasquez, aided and abetted by talented trainees Lakins, Feltman, Shawaryn, Hernandez who would become experienced Major Leaguers come 2020. That level of talent and depth is truly frightening. Haven’t even mentioned Kelly and others like Hembree yet. I have yet to see anything from the Sox that says they have any intent of getting under the cap next year (2020) and have no reason to believe that's they're plan or that it's not. We'll probably have a better inkling when we see the types of free agent contracts the Sox sign this year. Eovaldi/Porcello is your basic wash but the reliever contracts aren't.
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Post by sarasoxer on Dec 3, 2018 8:51:10 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before. I’d certainly take him. Useful bullpen arm. Never a fan....He is not a Dombrowski guy....not a dominant pitcher in an era where dominance is king. His FIP is a career 3.81. Somebody will pick him up but he will not find his way to Boston.
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Post by Smittyw on Dec 3, 2018 9:19:46 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before.
Teams with loads of cap space non-tendering useful players to save a million or two is always so heartwarming to see.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 3, 2018 9:39:30 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before.
Teams with loads of cap space non-tendering useful players to save a million or two is always so heartwarming to see.
A smart team will probably get him for cheap 1-year and then flip him at the deadline if there's any luck.
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 3, 2018 10:24:19 GMT -5
Teams with loads of cap space non-tendering useful players to save a million or two is always so heartwarming to see.
A smart team will probably get him for cheap 1-year and then flip him at the deadline if there's any luck. Yeah, he'll be signed for very little and traded for very little. I doubt he's even an upgrade over Hembree.
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 3, 2018 11:19:06 GMT -5
Former Red Sox Alex Wilson has been non-tendered by the Tigers. DD had interest in him once before.
Teams with loads of cap space non-tendering useful players to save a million or two is always so heartwarming to see.
There’s no cap
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Post by vermontsox1 on Dec 9, 2018 18:09:19 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Dec 9, 2018 19:01:03 GMT -5
First time I’ve personally heard them in on Ottavino
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