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Pedroia and the 2B situation in 2019
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 16, 2018 10:52:10 GMT -5
I think this is as interesting a discussion as first base. Of course it hinges greatly on Pedroia's health, and if healthy, his continued effectiveness. If he can't go - we know this year used scotch tape and somehow Nunez, Holt, Kinsler combined to give reasonable coverage (though Nunez' "defense"...yikes). Next year, no Kinsler, and I would think they don't want to make it up as they go along again if Pedroia can't go. The revised depth chart www.soxprospects.com/org.htm doesn't show Lin as an option, but I don't see why he couldn't do at least as well as Nunez there, but without the pop in the bat. Thoughts?
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Post by soxjim on Nov 16, 2018 12:34:26 GMT -5
I think this is as interesting a discussion as first base. Of course it hinges greatly on Pedroia's health, and if healthy, his continued effectiveness. If he can't go - we know this year used scotch tape and somehow Nunez, Holt, Kinsler combined to give reasonable coverage (though Nunez' "defense"...yikes). Next year, no Kinsler, and I would think they don't want to make it up as they go along again if Pedroia can't go. The revised depth chart www.soxprospects.com/org.htm doesn't show Lin as an option, but I don't see why he couldn't do at least as well as Nunez there, but without the pop in the bat. Thoughts? Doesn't look like the intent of the depth chart list was to put one player at multiple positions. That's why Lin isn't also at 2b. I just glanced quickly but it doesn't look like any player was chosen for multiple positions. I think if Pedroia can't go (if they know it before ST), then they look for a very reasonable priced (the Yanks got Walker for cheap last year. I'm not saying get "Walker" etc. I'm saying seek very god value.) FA. If there is none- they will go again with what they got. And speaking of 2b, man did Dozier pick a year to lay an egg or what?
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 16, 2018 12:52:27 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Lin or Holt at 2B, playing every day if necessary. The fact that either can play in many places around the field makes that possible.
I'm kind of hoping that we get to see if Holt's change is for real and if Lin can be a decent major league player.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Nov 16, 2018 12:56:38 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Lin or Holt at 2B, playing every day if necessary. The fact that either can play in many places around the field makes that possible. I'm kind of hoping that we get to see if Holt's change is for real and if Lin can be a decent major league player. Agree with both of your points. I think Brockstar has earned a chance at a full time job.
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Post by gerry on Nov 16, 2018 14:09:09 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Lin or Holt at 2B, playing every day if necessary. The fact that either can play in many places around the field makes that possible. I'm kind of hoping that we get to see if Holt's change is for real and if Lin can be a decent major league player. Agree with both of your points. I think Brockstar has earned a chance at a full time job. Not including his “rookie” year with the Sox in 2013 (26G), Brockstar has averaged 100G per year for five years, including his lingering injury (concussion and vertigo) year, in which he only played 64 games. Stories of his lack of durability seem to be exaggerated. He was playing well enough to actually be an All-Star before his concussion, and looked to be regaining his upside in 2018, his age 30 season. IMO Brockstar has always been an integral part of the Sox core for multiple reasons. Example: The Sox have no “burners”, but Holt Is one of a half dozen quick and savvy base-runners who maintain the above average Sox running game. For that matter, so would Lin be, with the opportunity. Over the past two years, Lin has played well in very limited time in MLB (25G and 37G) and has earned more work in 2019, his age 25 season. Between these two, and Pedey’s determination to get back in 2019 (his 14th season), any spare change is better spent on pitching. And we can’t sleep on Quiroz, who seems like a Sox sleeper. His best position is 2B but he was the Brockstar of the Mexican League, and has pop.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 16, 2018 14:31:06 GMT -5
Quiroz is my sleeper pick also. We haven't even mentioned Hernandez who looked very good then basically missed two years with injury. We have a ton of depth and options at 2B.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Nov 16, 2018 16:57:59 GMT -5
Quiroz is my sleeper pick also. We haven't even mentioned Hernandez who looked very good then basically missed two years with injury. We have a ton of depth and options at 2B. I completely forgot about Hernandez. Yeah, he was a real piece two years ago.
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Post by Guidas on Nov 19, 2018 16:29:27 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 19, 2018 18:56:33 GMT -5
From that link: Dombrowski did note that the team's backup plan will not necessitate a significant move, suggesting that he might be done when it comes to the acquisition of position players this offseason.
"The reality is if you look at our club, there’s not a lot of holes there from a positional player perspective," he said. "We’re hopeful that Dustin will be fine. I think if we’re going to look to protect ourselves, of course we have Brock (Holt), we’ve got Tzu-Wei Lin, we’ve got Eduardo Nunez, I would think that those people would be more of a tendency to have to be a non-roster invitee at this time for the simple fact that we just don’t have any positions to really promise anyone at this time because we’re hopeful that Dustin will be ready."
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Post by incandenza on Nov 19, 2018 19:11:44 GMT -5
From that link: Dombrowski did note that the team's backup plan will not necessitate a significant move, suggesting that he might be done when it comes to the acquisition of position players this offseason.
"The reality is if you look at our club, there’s not a lot of holes there from a positional player perspective," he said. "We’re hopeful that Dustin will be fine. I think if we’re going to look to protect ourselves, of course we have Brock (Holt), we’ve got Tzu-Wei Lin, we’ve got Eduardo Nunez, I would think that those people would be more of a tendency to have to be a non-roster invitee at this time for the simple fact that we just don’t have any positions to really promise anyone at this time because we’re hopeful that Dustin will be ready."Nunez is our backup plan at 2B again, huh? I really, I just... I just find this terribly upsetting.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 19, 2018 19:37:49 GMT -5
From that link: Dombrowski did note that the team's backup plan will not necessitate a significant move, suggesting that he might be done when it comes to the acquisition of position players this offseason.
"The reality is if you look at our club, there’s not a lot of holes there from a positional player perspective," he said. "We’re hopeful that Dustin will be fine. I think if we’re going to look to protect ourselves, of course we have Brock (Holt), we’ve got Tzu-Wei Lin, we’ve got Eduardo Nunez, I would think that those people would be more of a tendency to have to be a non-roster invitee at this time for the simple fact that we just don’t have any positions to really promise anyone at this time because we’re hopeful that Dustin will be ready."Nunez is our backup plan at 2B again, huh? I really, I just... I just find this terribly upsetting. Look at the sequence of names, Holt, Lin, Nunez. A lot less upsetting. ADD: He also mentioned a non-roster invitee, presumably Quiroz.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 19, 2018 23:34:52 GMT -5
Nunez is our backup plan at 2B again, huh? I really, I just... I just find this terribly upsetting. Look at the sequence of names, Holt, Lin, Nunez. A lot less upsetting. ADD: He also mentioned a non-roster invitee, presumably Quiroz. If you're referring to Dombrowski's quote, he's saying that anyone they bring in would be an NRI-type, which makes sense. He's not referring to anyone in particular. He was responding to a question about whether they would bring anyone in for 2B based on Pedroia's health. That said, I could see Quiroz working his way into the conversation around midseason.
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Post by djsilva on Nov 19, 2018 23:57:19 GMT -5
Chavis is your second baseman by July 15th.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 20, 2018 10:48:36 GMT -5
Chavis is your second baseman by July 15th. This doesn't provide me a great deal of comfort to be honest.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 20, 2018 12:42:39 GMT -5
Seems to be one option out the window. I really hope he gets his health under control.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 20, 2018 12:49:55 GMT -5
Seems to be one option out the window. I really hope he gets his health under control. He said something about that yesterday I believe, but my understanding is it's more about the fact that he hasn't played in two years than a condemnation of his health again.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 20, 2018 13:00:27 GMT -5
Hate to be pessimistic, but I’m not going to believe in his health (or Pedroia’s or Wright’s) until I see him on the field for an extended period of time. At this point anything we get from them is a pleasant surprise.
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Post by ericmvan on Nov 20, 2018 13:05:21 GMT -5
Seems to be one option out the window. I really hope he gets his health under control. He said something about that yesterday I believe, but my understanding is it's more about the fact that he hasn't played in two years than a condemnation of his health again. It seems as if, after he named the backup 2B options, someone asked him for a health update on Hernandez, and he gave it. Ready for ST but not an option coming out of ST if Pedroia or some else starts the season on the DL, the implication being that it would obviously be Lin instead. This was a conference call, but I think he was mentally looking in Nick Cafardo's direction when he clarified that point.
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Post by larrycook on Nov 20, 2018 20:23:21 GMT -5
Hate to be pessimistic, but I’m not going to believe in his health (or Pedroia’s or Wright’s) until I see him on the field for an extended period of time. At this point anything we get from them is a pleasant surprise. Seems like the inflammation caused by the micro fracture surgery turned into scar tissue with Wright, which needed to be cleaned out via additional surgery, Only time will tell what happens with pedrioa!
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Post by greenmonster on Nov 20, 2018 22:45:47 GMT -5
If Pedroia continues to have issues, Dietrich might be worth a look, although he seems to be somewhat redundant to Brock Holt
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Post by dirtdog on Nov 20, 2018 22:49:43 GMT -5
Hate to be pessimistic, but I’m not going to believe in his health (or Pedroia’s or Wright’s) until I see him on the field for an extended period of time. At this point anything we get from them is a pleasant surprise. Agree. Many have come from complete knee reconstruction faster and better than this.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 20, 2018 23:40:14 GMT -5
Hate to be pessimistic, but I’m not going to believe in his health (or Pedroia’s or Wright’s) until I see him on the field for an extended period of time. At this point anything we get from them is a pleasant surprise. Agree. Many have come from complete knee reconstruction faster and better than this. So everyone's clear, the initial post from Addam603 is about Hernandez, apt as it may be for Pedroia, and Hernandez's injuries have been to his shoulder. But yeah, he's literally missed two seasons, and even before that he was only borderline ready for MLB, so Dombrowski's comments make perfect sense.
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Post by unitspin on Nov 21, 2018 0:17:01 GMT -5
I would love to see lin get alot of abs this season he can play just about anywhere on the field. If his bat can provide decent numbers then it will give you a lot of flex next season with a lot of players coming off the books. I think Marco showed a good bat when he did play seems like it was forever ago though. They might be deeper this season off the bench then last. Dont think pedey not playing this season really hurts this team.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 21, 2018 1:00:16 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with Lin or Holt at 2B, playing every day if necessary. The fact that either can play in many places around the field makes that possible. I'm kind of hoping that we get to see if Holt's change is for real and if Lin can be a decent major league player. Yes. I’d be cool with them taking a flier on a guy like Dozier, too, if it’s a really cheap pillow deal. As long as they’re doing 1-year deals, I think the depth is helpful and the player could be flipped at the deadline. I’m very excited about Holt’s approach change and the data really do seem to support a “real” change, particularly the EV and launch angle differences and the corresponding drop in contact from superb to just good. If he keeps it up (and he tends to wear down when called on too much) for 500 PA, he could put up some very impressive numbers. I’m also a big Lin supporter...I love his defense and I think his OBP more than makes up for any power advantage Nunez might have. Frankly, I think Lin can slash .260/.340/.400 right now, and he might hit enough LD to raise both the BA and IsoP, meaning even better results across the board. His AAA numbers were excellent for a guy who has the glove to be a solid-avg defensive SS (and a plus 2b; or plus defensive 3b, where the bat probably wouldn’t play so well). So I guess I should say I don’t think Dozier makes sense for that reason (I’d prefer that Holt and Lin get PAs so we can see what they can do), but if it’s a super cheap deal, or they get someone else with options that they can stash in AAA, I’d be happy with the added depth. I’d like to see them bargain shop depth and maybe flip some guys during ST or mid-season. That goes for the rotation/pen too. Obviously there are only so many 40-man spots, but what if they could get a good deal on a player trying to rebuild value, on a 1-and-1, it could turn into some prospect depth or a deadline piece.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2019 11:45:46 GMT -5
www.mlb.com/news/dustin-pedroia-player-to-watch-for-red-sox/c-303739014I’ll believe it when I see it, but it’s starting to sound like Pedroia will be healthy at the start of spring training. They probably will (and definitely should) bring him along slowly. I can’t remember the last time I was so excited to potentially get a player back on the field. Pedey has always been my personal favorite player, but he’s the heart and fire of this team.
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