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2019-2020 Red Sox Offseason
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Post by telson13 on Feb 20, 2019 1:24:20 GMT -5
Assuming Bryce Harper breaks the 324 million dollar deal for Stanton (say 330 million dollar deal for Harper), are the Sox and John Henry really prepared or want to go to 340 for a extension with Mookie? That's the million dollar question. Mookie is a better player than Harper and deserves more money than him. Mookie is also surveying the market and is waiting to get paid like the best also. The 2019/2020 off-season is where you have to do it or you risk losing the most dynamic player this organization has had since Ted Williams the next off-season. Well Mike Trout is a free agent the same offseason. People have been talking about 2018-19 for a while. 2020-2021 is going to be way more interesting. DeGrom, too, presuming he doesn’t extend. It could get ridiculous. And even at the next tier are guys like Simba and Paxton. With the CBA weirdness, it could end up being like ‘94. You know, when the Sox inked Kevin Appier and Sammy Sosa...
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 20, 2019 5:00:35 GMT -5
Or Lin if you think he's a regular in the majors. I said this elsewhere, but if one buys Lin as a 2-WAR regular SS (and I do, maybe more, because I think he can approach last year’s AAA line in MLB when he’s 27-28), then you’ve got a real tough decision. Lin definitely has the defensive skills for SS, and from everything he’s shown, the bat, too. Not to be great, but his floor as established with irregular time is roughly a 2-WAR player. The Sox are only on the hook for, at MOST, $3M TOTAL over the next 3 years with him. Figure Bogey gets $21 M AAV. That’s $20M difference. That’s 2/3 of Gerrit Cole, a 5-win pitcher. Does Lin-Cole beat Bogey-(fill-in 5th starter?). If Lin-Cole is worth 7 WAR for $31M, can the Sox count on Bogey to be a 5-WAR SS/3b, and then find a starter worth 2 WAR for under $10M? If Bogaerts chases the highest dollar and signs elsewhere, I'd probably use Lin as the new Brock Holt. I would target Simmons as a trade chip for the close to rebuilding Angels. Mike Trout should be traded if they are mediocre again by the trade deadline. That'll really speed up the rebuild process. Maybe Dalbec ends up as a good piece going back or something for Simmons. Simmons is one of the best ever defensive players in major league history and his offense has elevated to the point where he's honestly the best alternative to Xander imo.
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Post by soxjim on Feb 20, 2019 9:52:53 GMT -5
Or Lin if you think he's a regular in the majors. I said this elsewhere, but if one buys Lin as a 2-WAR regular SS (and I do, maybe more, because I think he can approach last year’s AAA line in MLB when he’s 27-28), then you’ve got a real tough decision. Lin definitely has the defensive skills for SS, and from everything he’s shown, the bat, too. Not to be great, but his floor as established with irregular time is roughly a 2-WAR player. The Sox are only on the hook for, at MOST, $3M TOTAL over the next 3 years with him. Figure Bogey gets $21 M AAV. That’s $20M difference. That’s 2/3 of Gerrit Cole, a 5-win pitcher. Does Lin-Cole beat Bogey-(fill-in 5th starter?). If Lin-Cole is worth 7 WAR for $31M, can the Sox count on Bogey to be a 5-WAR SS/3b, and then find a starter worth 2 WAR for under $10M? Xander is a top flight SS that has shown when healthy he is among the better hitters in baseball at ss. I don't buy Lin other than I think he is "Holt." And I'm scared to death of Pedroia. I suppose if you think Lin is legit full-time starter you'd be ok with letting Xander walk - but I'm concerned he is "holt only." Secondly, are we going to resign JDM and JBJ long-term? If you aren't re-signing JDM then you might need to cover that with a bat and ofc you aren't getting JDM'S bat in return. You'd need to get enough hitting to still be considered "good." . Or if you let JBJ and Holt go and you like Lin a lot then you can have Xander, Lin, Cole and find an outfielder. Not neccessarily CF. Xander is a top of the order hitter. Going forward the Sox will have questions with the bat at--> catcher, 1B, 2B, and CF. If Devers doesn't live up to expectations with his bat it's even more but let's say he does. What if they don't sign JDM? Or how high do Sox go for him? Paying so much for him might make us lose out on Cole for example? Anyhow, the Sox are not "Tampa Bay." IMO they need to be concerned with maintaining a very good offense in a hitters park. You can rely on Xander to be a good bat. I'd look to find other positions/players to downgrade. Xander's bat imo is a must -- ofc within reason.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2019 10:18:28 GMT -5
The way the Red Sox have used Tzu-Wei Lin says to me that the organization, at least, does not see him as a future MLB starting shortstop, which I think is the most important thing (no offense to folks on this forum, of course). The fact that other MLB clubs have not attempted to acquire him tells me that other MLB clubs probably feel similarly, although the whole "half the league is tanking" phenomenon could easily play into that.
As with anything, circumstances could change that. But he reached AAA in 2017 and he's going to start there in 2019 barring injury. I feel like if they thought he was a no-s___ starting shortstop, they'd have made room for him on the roster (for example, last year when Nunez couldn't walk and Lin was tearing the cover off the ball in AAA).
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Post by telson13 on Feb 20, 2019 22:36:26 GMT -5
The way the Red Sox have used Tzu-Wei Lin says to me that the organization, at least, does not see him as a future MLB starting shortstop, which I think is the most important thing (no offense to folks on this forum, of course). The fact that other MLB clubs have not attempted to acquire him tells me that other MLB clubs probably feel similarly, although the whole "half the league is tanking" phenomenon could easily play into that. As with anything, circumstances could change that. But he reached AAA in 2017 and he's going to start there in 2019 barring injury. I feel like if they thought he was a no-s___ starting shortstop, they'd have made room for him on the roster (for example, last year when Nunez couldn't walk and Lin was tearing the cover off the ball in AAA). I certainly agree with you...I think the perception on the Sox is that he’s a utility player at best. He IS a small guy...not just short, but slight. I’m not saying I WANT Lin over Bogey, I’m simply putting this out there as the sort of tough question/decision they’ll have to make in the next two years. Henry himself has already said they cant keep everyone. I think best-case is that they can get Bogey on a 6/$130M extension, or at least in that ballpark. But at some position, be it JBJ in CF, or Bogey, or Sale or Mookie...they’re gonna have to bite the bullet. I think Lin’s underrated, but he’s not a guy I’m “comfortable” betting on the way I am with, say, Devers improving offensively, or Feltman being a back-end reliever. I’m really just playing devil’s advocate.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 20, 2019 22:49:34 GMT -5
I said this elsewhere, but if one buys Lin as a 2-WAR regular SS (and I do, maybe more, because I think he can approach last year’s AAA line in MLB when he’s 27-28), then you’ve got a real tough decision. Lin definitely has the defensive skills for SS, and from everything he’s shown, the bat, too. Not to be great, but his floor as established with irregular time is roughly a 2-WAR player. The Sox are only on the hook for, at MOST, $3M TOTAL over the next 3 years with him. Figure Bogey gets $21 M AAV. That’s $20M difference. That’s 2/3 of Gerrit Cole, a 5-win pitcher. Does Lin-Cole beat Bogey-(fill-in 5th starter?). If Lin-Cole is worth 7 WAR for $31M, can the Sox count on Bogey to be a 5-WAR SS/3b, and then find a starter worth 2 WAR for under $10M? If Bogaerts chases the highest dollar and signs elsewhere, I'd probably use Lin as the new Brock Holt. I would target Simmons as a trade chip for the close to rebuilding Angels. Mike Trout should be traded if they are mediocre again by the trade deadline. That'll really speed up the rebuild process. Maybe Dalbec ends up as a good piece going back or something for Simmons. Simmons is one of the best ever defensive players in major league history and his offense has elevated to the point where he's honestly the best alternative to Xander imo. Well, Simba’s a FA after 2020 (like Mookie, Trout, DeGrom, etc). I actually think he would be a terrific alternative if they could stop-gap for a year and get him in FA; I think his defense stays excellent for a long time. His hitting is improving as well, to where he’s a good, if not truly dangerous, hitter. I only bring up these thought experiments for exactly this reason...I’m curious how people think the Sox should deal with the crunch, in a realistic (not “sign everyone”) approach. I love the Simba idea, actually, even if my heart wants Bogey around. Teams don’t usually pay as willingly for defense, so the cost might be slightly less, but with their OF defense (especially if JBJ is still around), adding Simmons would really help the staff. What I *really* hope is that they can get guys to take extensions fair to both sides, and preserve the core. There’s enough upside talent in the lower minors that I think they can weather salary issues by the time 2021 rolls around, with some low-cost higher-end talent infusing in. Locking up Mookie, Beni, Bogey, Devers...it’s gonna be tough but fascinating to see play out. I mean, if Eovaldi turns out to be a 1a/2 and ERod starts pushing 1a/2 territory as well...do they still sign Sale?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2019 23:18:09 GMT -5
That's not the biggest reason though, expecting fans to pity overpaid athletes because some people are richer than they are is unrealistic. This isn't an arbitration court, you shouldn't pick one side of the story and the MLBPA is barking at the wrong tree. Twins fans were blaming their problems on Joe Mauer, a local product who became the best player in their franchise in the last 50 years, switched positions after suffering concussions, continued to be fairly effective if not the player he was when he was one of the top 10 catchers of all time.... all because he was making a couple million more than his $$/WAR indicated he should? That's pretty pathologically anti-labor. Every time a player makes a little bit more than he should, he's written up as the root of that team's problems. I’d say Kirby was better but doesn’t change your point.
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Post by telson13 on Feb 20, 2019 23:20:33 GMT -5
I said this elsewhere, but if one buys Lin as a 2-WAR regular SS (and I do, maybe more, because I think he can approach last year’s AAA line in MLB when he’s 27-28), then you’ve got a real tough decision. Lin definitely has the defensive skills for SS, and from everything he’s shown, the bat, too. Not to be great, but his floor as established with irregular time is roughly a 2-WAR player. The Sox are only on the hook for, at MOST, $3M TOTAL over the next 3 years with him. Figure Bogey gets $21 M AAV. That’s $20M difference. That’s 2/3 of Gerrit Cole, a 5-win pitcher. Does Lin-Cole beat Bogey-(fill-in 5th starter?). If Lin-Cole is worth 7 WAR for $31M, can the Sox count on Bogey to be a 5-WAR SS/3b, and then find a starter worth 2 WAR for under $10M? Xander is a top flight SS that has shown when healthy he is among the better hitters in baseball at ss. I don't buy Lin other than I think he is "Holt." And I'm scared to death of Pedroia. I suppose if you think Lin is legit full-time starter you'd be ok with letting Xander walk - but I'm concerned he is "holt only." Secondly, are we going to resign JDM and JBJ long-term? If you aren't re-signing JDM then you might need to cover that with a bat and ofc you aren't getting JDM'S bat in return. You'd need to get enough hitting to still be considered "good." . Or if you let JBJ and Holt go and you like Lin a lot then you can have Xander, Lin, Cole and find an outfielder. Not neccessarily CF. Xander is a top of the order hitter. Going forward the Sox will have questions with the bat at--> catcher, 1B, 2B, and CF. If Devers doesn't live up to expectations with his bat it's even more but let's say he does. What if they don't sign JDM? Or how high do Sox go for him? Paying so much for him might make us lose out on Cole for example? Anyhow, the Sox are not "Tampa Bay." IMO they need to be concerned with maintaining a very good offense in a hitters park. You can rely on Xander to be a good bat. I'd look to find other positions/players to downgrade. Xander's bat imo is a must -- ofc within reason. Jim, these are all good points; as re: my question, I’m not advocating a side (see my response the Chris). I’m just curious as to how people would construct the team, given the salary crunch. In particular, I like your point re: JDM and how quickly the offense could fall off with just one or two defections. That’s part of why I like PF45’s Simba idea...what if they went “pitching and defense?” letting Porcello and Bogey go, installing Lin at 2b, trading for Simba in his walk year and hopefully extending him, signing Sale/Cole and extending JBJ (and Mookie?) and ideally re-upping JDM? Or even *really* pitching and defense by JDM walking and using those $ on Cole AND Sale, who would both be around and probably quite effective when Price’s deal was up? It’s gonna be crazy seeing them competing the next two years while simultaneously retooling.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 20, 2019 23:20:57 GMT -5
Assuming Bryce Harper breaks the 324 million dollar deal for Stanton (say 330 million dollar deal for Harper), are the Sox and John Henry really prepared or want to go to 340 for a extension with Mookie? That's the million dollar question. Mookie is a better player than Harper and deserves more money than him. Mookie is also surveying the market and is waiting to get paid like the best also. The 2019/2020 off-season is where you have to do it or you risk losing the most dynamic player this organization has had since Ted Williams the next off-season. Well Mike Trout is a free agent the same offseason. People have been talking about 2018-19 for a while. 2020-2021 is going to be way more interesting. If Mike Trout is anywhere outside of Philly I’ll be a bit surprised
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Post by bluechip on Feb 20, 2019 23:30:47 GMT -5
Well Mike Trout is a free agent the same offseason. People have been talking about 2018-19 for a while. 2020-2021 is going to be way more interesting. If Mike Trout is anywhere outside of Philly I’ll be a bit surprised The Phillies revenue is significantly less than some other franchises. I get that they have almost no payroll commitments and he is from the region, but the Dodgers, Cubs, and Yankees, among others, have better revenue streams.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2019 23:59:51 GMT -5
Well Mike Trout is a free agent the same offseason. People have been talking about 2018-19 for a while. 2020-2021 is going to be way more interesting. If Mike Trout is anywhere outside of Philly I’ll be a bit surprised I remember rumors that Cashman was looking to trade for Trout at some point. It's possible that if the Angels think they're going to lose Trout and if Esteval develops as hyped, that's a young CF to dangle in a deal for Trout although it's possible the Yankees simply wait and finally spend that big wad of cash on Trout when he becomes a free agent. I don't know why but I've always thought of Trout as a young Mickey Mantle, so it really isn't that hard to see the Yankees go after him. As an aside, I don't know what it is, but sometimes I see a player and they remind me of some other players. Like I always thought Ken Griffey Jr was the new Willie Mays or that Roger Clemens was the new Tom Seaver or that Chris Sale is a less durable Randy Johnson. Nomar when he was young and healthy reminded me of Joe DiMaggio. Apparently Ted Williams thought so too. And for awhile when he was young Frank Thomas reminded me a little bit of RH hitting Ted Williams. I'm sure the images don't stand up to the scrutiny of reality but that's the impression I got on some of those players.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 21, 2019 1:40:47 GMT -5
If Bogaerts chases the highest dollar and signs elsewhere, I'd probably use Lin as the new Brock Holt. I would target Simmons as a trade chip for the close to rebuilding Angels. Mike Trout should be traded if they are mediocre again by the trade deadline. That'll really speed up the rebuild process. Maybe Dalbec ends up as a good piece going back or something for Simmons. Simmons is one of the best ever defensive players in major league history and his offense has elevated to the point where he's honestly the best alternative to Xander imo. Well, Simba’s a FA after 2020 (like Mookie, Trout, DeGrom, etc). I actually think he would be a terrific alternative if they could stop-gap for a year and get him in FA; I think his defense stays excellent for a long time. His hitting is improving as well, to where he’s a good, if not truly dangerous, hitter. I only bring up these thought experiments for exactly this reason...I’m curious how people think the Sox should deal with the crunch, in a realistic (not “sign everyone”) approach. I love the Simba idea, actually, even if my heart wants Bogey around. Teams don’t usually pay as willingly for defense, so the cost might be slightly less, but with their OF defense (especially if JBJ is still around), adding Simmons would really help the staff. What I *really* hope is that they can get guys to take extensions fair to both sides, and preserve the core. There’s enough upside talent in the lower minors that I think they can weather salary issues by the time 2021 rolls around, with some low-cost higher-end talent infusing in. Locking up Mookie, Beni, Bogey, Devers...it’s gonna be tough but fascinating to see play out. I mean, if Eovaldi turns out to be a 1a/2 and ERod starts pushing 1a/2 territory as well...do they still sign Sale? Simmons is a fun player to watch. No doubt he stays at short stop even into his mid 30's. You still got to sign Sale. I don't want him going to the Yankees. The Yankees didn't spend on any big free agents this year and they'll have a clear opening in the rotation with Sabathia retiring. He's your best weapon against the Yankees. He's the best pitcher in the modern era against the Yankees. He's a HOF and his track record either suggests Tommy John surgery by year 5 or keep progressing to HOF status. No way around this Telson, you want a lot of talent in a rotation anyways.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2019 9:08:34 GMT -5
Why is anyone still afraid of the Yankees signing every player like George never died? They have done nothing to indicate they are anything like that anymore. They have some money and still spend money, but they don't buy every player they want regardless of price and haven't in over a decade.
Chris Sale has repeatedly talked about staying with the Red Sox. If they want to keep him, they will.
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Post by soxjim on Feb 21, 2019 9:19:27 GMT -5
Jim, these are all good points; as re: my question, I’m not advocating a side (see my response the Chris). I’m just curious as to how people would construct the team, given the salary crunch. In particular, I like your point re: JDM and how quickly the offense could fall off with just one or two defections. That’s part of why I like PF45’s Simba idea...what if they went “pitching and defense?” letting Porcello and Bogey go, installing Lin at 2b, trading for Simba in his walk year and hopefully extending him, signing Sale/Cole and extending JBJ (and Mookie?) and ideally re-upping JDM? Or even *really* pitching and defense by JDM walking and using those $ on Cole AND Sale, who would both be around and probably quite effective when Price’s deal was up? It’s gonna be crazy seeing them competing the next two years while simultaneously retooling. I agree with you - a lot of questions. You bring in a prior post about ERod and Eovaldi. Exactly why as you say its fascinating which tough decisions they'll be forced to make. I like Bogey because he's reliable and Sox don't have much at ss in minors for a while. If you lock him in then at least the hitting of him, Betts, Beni and we both think Devers will do better is pretty good. But Devers is still a question how good he'll be so it makes keeping a bat at this moment even more important imo. As for Sale - his arm scares me. I'd have to see how he does this year and ofc I wait too long and he shows he is healthy we probably lose him. I'd be okay with it. OFC if Eovaldi and ERod don't show much then that changes things. I don;t think the Simmons move is realistic. If he hits the Angels won't want to give him up. They want to show Trout they are trying to win. If he doesn't hit then we add another poor hitter to our lienup and give uppropsects which could have been used as thrown ins to get a futrue star. Secodnly I don't want the Sox to be "Tanp Bay." We're in a hitters park. I've got to run - but here's something I'll throw out there-- don't sign JDM and JBJ and get Ozuna. Sign Bogey. Pass on Sale and see if Porcello signs for cheap or look for a 4 starter on the cheap end. OFC Eovadi and ERod need to be very good. Or sign COle instead of gettign Ozuna and look at potentially futrue platoon players with bats such as Smoak and maybe Schoop will show he can't hit rh pitching and be cheap etc.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2019 9:29:59 GMT -5
If Mike Trout is anywhere outside of Philly I’ll be a bit surprised The Phillies revenue is significantly less than some other franchises. I get that they have almost no payroll commitments and he is from the region, but the Dodgers, Cubs, and Yankees, among others, have better revenue streams. He’s not just from the region he’s a fanatic of all their teams, especially the Eagles. You hardly see an athlete so outwardly a homer even for teams of other sports. It’s not like he’s adopted LAs local teams like so many athletes do. Also, Mike Trout isn’t all about the money. He sighed early to get his life changing money - not to maximize his earnings. He doesn’t care about being famous. He just wants to be a good guy and play his game. Listen, we never know and the union will no doubt pressure the hell out of him to take money over being happy, but if there’s one super star that just doesn’t care and wants to be himself where he’s happy it’s him.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 21, 2019 9:37:59 GMT -5
Chris sale will be the most interesting case I’ve seen in a while in the to resign or not to resign front. Interestingly, Xander may be second most interesting. Sale is soooo good he’s almost without comparison. He’s also never really lasted a full season, and even babying him last year failed miserably so what the hell do you do? If he repeats that same cycle and is a shell for the playoffs AGAIN, due to physical limitations then what’s the point in investing heavily in him. I would assume the price tag for a pitcher of his ilk would be a decent amount lower because of this issue, but still. On the flip side, if in his contract year he finally lasts and he wins that elusive Cy Young, then his price skyrockets, but can you trust that will continue. It sucks because he combines the talent and effectiveness with the exact attitude you want from an Ace...
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 21, 2019 9:55:02 GMT -5
My gut feeling is (and like is my gut ever right?) that the Sox will get something done with Sale and that Bogaerts will wind up going. I don't think it's going to cost that much extra to hang onto Martinez so I think he'll ultimately stay.
I think Bogaerts would have to be totally freaked out by the market and take something well below value to stay. It's possible, but I don't think that happens.
At the end of the day, it's easier to find a decent SS who can field better although not be as much the hitter (I would guess that Chatham gets fast tracked this year to keep the job warm for Antoni Flores eventually), but it's hard to get a top notch ace, and the Sox don't have the bullets to deal for one as they did with Sale, so I think they'll prioritize him and roll forward with Sale, Price, Eovaldi, and E-Rod, and have Brian Johnson lined up to replace Porcello in 2020 in the rotation.
They'll take the two excellent years ahead that I think they're getting from JBJ, he'll price himself out and the Sox will go after Betts with all that they have after 2020.
That's what I think happens anyways.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 21, 2019 10:19:37 GMT -5
Hey, just a friendly request not to use nicknames too much referring to players. I'd never heard "Simba" in my life, and read through thinking you all were talking about Lindor and that it was crazy to talk casually about "oh we'll just trade for Lindor."
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 21, 2019 11:05:23 GMT -5
I don't know, the last time we signed a cartoon animal character, the results were less than stellar.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 21, 2019 11:17:27 GMT -5
I don't know, the last time we signed a cartoon animal character, the results were less than stellar. On the other hand, Jonny Gomes is an actual cartoon who became sentient and he helped them win the World Series. So it's a mixed bag.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 21, 2019 15:11:16 GMT -5
Why is anyone still afraid of the Yankees signing every player like George never died? They have done nothing to indicate they are anything like that anymore. They have some money and still spend money, but they don't buy every player they want regardless of price and haven't in over a decade. Chris Sale has repeatedly talked about staying with the Red Sox. If they want to keep him, they will. Jon Lester says hi. John Henry just admitted to screwing that up this spring training 5 years ago. The Yankees barely spent money this off-season and have a clear opening in the rotation next year. That's why.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2019 15:45:16 GMT -5
Why is anyone still afraid of the Yankees signing every player like George never died? They have done nothing to indicate they are anything like that anymore. They have some money and still spend money, but they don't buy every player they want regardless of price and haven't in over a decade. Chris Sale has repeatedly talked about staying with the Red Sox. If they want to keep him, they will. Jon Lester says hi. John Henry just admitted to screwing that up this spring training 5 years ago. The Yankees barely spent money this off-season and have a clear opening in the rotation next year. That's why. They had clear openings in their rotation this year and cheaped out on it. Jon Lester went to the Cubs, not the Yankees. Besides that, if the Red Sox signed Lester, they would not have one of Sale or Price and may not have won the WS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 21, 2019 15:59:40 GMT -5
Jon Lester says hi. John Henry just admitted to screwing that up this spring training 5 years ago. The Yankees barely spent money this off-season and have a clear opening in the rotation next year. That's why. They had clear openings in their rotation this year and cheaped out on it. Jon Lester went to the Cubs, not the Yankees. Besides that, if the Red Sox signed Lester, they would not have one of Sale or Price and may not have won the WS. I'm happy they got Price after they spent more than 50 million more than the next team to get him. I just hope Henry learns from his past mistakes with extensions. I'm also not going to assume anything when it comes to John Henry spending. That's all. If Sale isn't signed by opening day because of that payroll manipulation, then I'll be begin to worry that they will lose Sale. Be nice if someone else signed Sale besides the Yankees, but the Yankees are more run like a business. I'm sure business would pick up if they picked up the Sox most dominant pitcher since vintage Pedro in Sale. It'll be one of those things that'll be too good for the Yankees to pass up. Make your team that much better, while making your worst rival that much worse? Also making a ton of money around it because of the storyline of taking the Sox HOF pitcher away from them? Yeap I'd like to avoid that situation altogether.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 21, 2019 16:08:06 GMT -5
They had clear openings in their rotation this year and cheaped out on it. Jon Lester went to the Cubs, not the Yankees. Besides that, if the Red Sox signed Lester, they would not have one of Sale or Price and may not have won the WS. I'm happy they got Price after they spent more than 50 million more than the next team to get him. I just hope Henry learns from his past mistakes with extensions. I'm also not going to assume anything when it comes to John Henry spending. That's all. If Sale isn't signed by opening day because of that payroll manipulation, then I'll be begin to worry that they will lose Sale. Be nice if someone else signed Sale besides the Yankees, but the Yankees are more run like a business. I'm sure business would pick up if they picked up the Sox most dominant pitcher since vintage Pedro in Sale. It'll be one of those things that'll be too good for the Yankees to pass up. Make your team that much better, while making your worst rival that much worse? Also making a ton of money around it because of the storyline of taking the Sox HOF pitcher away from them? Yeap I'd like to avoid that situation altogether. You're just completely ignoring the fact that the Yankees have been cheap for years. It's like the Red Sox and Yankees have swapped places in the last 10 years. The guy who was trying to be too analytical and didn't want to spend more than a player is worth was fired and replaced by a guy who always gets what he wants. The fact that Henry even is saying that they blew it with Lester implies that there is very little chance that they blow it with Sale. Acknowledging a problem is how you fix one.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 21, 2019 16:29:34 GMT -5
So much of Lester's usefulness is tied to his durability, though. I'm not sure there are lessons there that apply to Sale.
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