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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 6, 2019 1:10:53 GMT -5
One year left for Watson at a reasonable cost around 7 million.
I'm thinking that the best the Sox are going to get this offseason is a Cody Allen or a Kelvim Herrera type.
Tony Watson was better than both of these players in 2018. Tony Watson is also one of the few LHP who has even splits against both LHB and RHB too.
I'm not sure what the Sox can give the Giants back for Watson, but I'd love to see it.
I was going to suggest Swihart, but the Giants already seem like they have there own Swihart type in Aramis Garcia as a young catcher who could take over for Posey real soon.
Maybe they could give Swihart to another team and do a three team deal type of thing?
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 6, 2019 20:09:17 GMT -5
One year left for Watson at a reasonable cost around 7 million. I'm thinking that the best the Sox are going to get this offseason is a Cody Allen or a Kelvim Herrera type. Tony Watson was better than both of these players in 2018. Tony Watson is also one of the few LHP who has even splits against both LHB and RHB too. I'm not sure what the Sox can give the Giants back for Watson, but I'd love to see it. I was going to suggest Swihart, but the Giants already seem like they have there own Swihart type in Aramis Garcia as a young catcher who could take over for Posey real soon. Maybe they could give Swihart to another team and do a three team deal type of thing? OT for this thread, but I also seem to have some memory of his name being "Kelvim Herrera" - even though it's not. Maybe it's a Bernstein/Berenstain Bears thing.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 6, 2019 22:53:13 GMT -5
Swihart is way too much to give up for one year of a good-not-great reliever. I’d much prefer they stick to spending just $, unless they could convince the Giants to part with Watson for a lower-level prospect. SF isn’t going to contend unless they sign Harper (and even then...), and $7M is ok but not a huge steal for Watson, so you’re talking roughly $3-5M in excess value, which is basically a 40-45 FV player. Watson is almost great, and he’d be a solid addition, but this team needs prospects right now. No sense shipping them out unless they really can’t get similar value via FA
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 7, 2019 12:28:01 GMT -5
Swihart is way too much to give up for one year of a good-not-great reliever. I’d much prefer they stick to spending just $, unless they could convince the Giants to part with Watson for a lower-level prospect. SF isn’t going to contend unless they sign Harper (and even then...), and $7M is ok but not a huge steal for Watson, so you’re talking roughly $3-5M in excess value, which is basically a 40-45 FV player. Watson is almost great, and he’d be a solid addition, but this team needs prospects right now. No sense shipping them out unless they really can’t get similar value via FA I see your point, but what if they could give up a prospect in the 20-30 range while taking on all of the contract? The Giants might even take that to lower payroll. After Craig Kimbrel and Ottavino are gone and if they don't sign with the Sox, then Watson is arguably the best option behind these two players. Reliever market is starting to dwindle here.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 8, 2019 15:36:10 GMT -5
Just my two cents but why try and trade him now when the market is crap? Wouldn't it make more sense to trade him during the season? He's only making 3.5 million and given his 1.8 bwar last year I'd only more him for a very good return.
BTW a very good target for a second bullpen arm, I just would want a proven closer also. I wanted the Sox to sign Watson last year.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 9, 2019 16:21:44 GMT -5
I'm thinking that the best the Sox are going to get this offseason is a Cody Allen or a Kelvim Herrera type. OT for this thread, but I also seem to have some memory of his name being "Kelvim Herrera" - even though it's not. Maybe it's a Bernstein/Berenstain Bears thing. Kelvim Escobar has ruined us all.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 9, 2019 19:58:59 GMT -5
OT for this thread, but I also seem to have some memory of his name being "Kelvim Herrera" - even though it's not. Maybe it's a Bernstein/Berenstain Bears thing. Kelvim Escobar has ruined us all. Should have spelt his name when I was drunk lol. Terrible with names.
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Post by telson13 on Jan 10, 2019 1:03:50 GMT -5
Swihart is way too much to give up for one year of a good-not-great reliever. I’d much prefer they stick to spending just $, unless they could convince the Giants to part with Watson for a lower-level prospect. SF isn’t going to contend unless they sign Harper (and even then...), and $7M is ok but not a huge steal for Watson, so you’re talking roughly $3-5M in excess value, which is basically a 40-45 FV player. Watson is almost great, and he’d be a solid addition, but this team needs prospects right now. No sense shipping them out unless they really can’t get similar value via FA I see your point, but what if they could give up a prospect in the 20-30 range while taking on all of the contract? The Giants might even take that to lower payroll. After Craig Kimbrel and Ottavino are gone and if they don't sign with the Sox, then Watson is arguably the best option behind these two players. Reliever market is starting to dwindle here. I’d almost absolutely do that, yes. In the Sox system that’s probably not a 40 FV guy; even the equivalent of Espinal-Pearce, yeah, I’d probably do that. As UMass said, I still think they need a true closer-caliber guy, but Watson would be a terrific 3rd/4th option at the Barnes/Brasier (and either might improve) level, and his salary is very palatable.
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Post by sibbysisti on Jan 20, 2019 1:54:50 GMT -5
Kelvim Escobar has ruined us all. Should have spelt his name when I was drunk lol. Terrible with names. You must have been drunk when you “spelt” [sic] his name.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 4, 2019 19:48:13 GMT -5
Should have spelt his name when I was drunk lol. Terrible with names. You must have been drunk when you “spelt” [sic] his name. No sense crying over spelt milk.
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Post by jfbryant91 on Jul 18, 2019 12:27:26 GMT -5
Anyone else eager to see what SF does with their bullpen over the next two weeks?
I think Will Smith is probably out of our price range, but Watson would make a nice addition to our bullpen, especially considering the current lack of a reliable southpaw reliever.
What would your offer be? They'd need to include cash considerations to help us avoid the super-luxury tax threshold. That being said, I'd start by letting them know our top 15 guys are off the table, but we'd be open to sending 2 bodies for 1, depending on who they like.
My offer: Mike Shawaryn and Pedro Castellenos for Watson plus enough cash to cover 75% of his remaining salary. No need to clear a roster spot since Shawaryn is already on the 40-man roster. Option Darwinzon back to Triple-A upon Watson's arrival.
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