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Post by dmaineah on Jan 7, 2019 13:41:48 GMT -5
Whats going on with him, his health? Will the Red Sox bring him back? He was on the World Series Roster. They said he was throwing well. I haven't heard any romors about him. Seems like he'd be a good fit for the roster if he is healthy and throwing well.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 7, 2019 13:52:45 GMT -5
The Sox are probably out since they signed Eovaldi. Most likely are going are going to sign a reliever free agent that can handle high leverage innings.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 7, 2019 13:56:01 GMT -5
The Red Sox have five starters and a bunch of depth options.
Pomeranz' best bet is to build up his value. Find a team with rotation needs (plenty out there), a big ballpark which would be helpful.
He'd fit in nicely with a team like Oakland.
He's more likely to make bigger $ as a starter so I think that would be the role he'd be trying to get and given that rotations need help, that's the role he's likely going to have a possibility to get.
But I'd think that would happen once the bigger dominoes begin to fall so he'll probably be a late January signing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 7, 2019 14:01:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised he hasn't signed with a team yet though. Like this guy was one year removed from a near 4 bWAR season (3.9) in 2017 nearly two years ago.
He probably knows he's going to rebuild his value this next season. I'm just shocked no team has ponied up even a little yet to capatilze on a one year "pillow" deal as Theo use to put it with the Adrian Beltre contract way back when.
The Brewers or A's should be all over this guy for instance. Would it really kill them to offer 5-8 million maybe with incentives to get Pomeranz?
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Post by gerry on Jan 7, 2019 20:08:22 GMT -5
For $8M the Sox would be wise to sign him as 6th SP this year 1. To start the season easing rotation back. 2. As excellent injury protection. 3. As protection against Sale or Porcello leaving.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 7, 2019 23:09:16 GMT -5
How many 6th starters do we need ?
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Post by telson13 on Jan 7, 2019 23:19:39 GMT -5
For $8M the Sox would be wise to sign him as 6th SP this year 1. To start the season easing rotation back. 2. As excellent injury protection. 3. As protection against Sale or Porcello leaving. I’d love to see that happen but as PF says, I think he’ll go to a team that has him slotted 3/4/5 versus 5/6/7. He’s still young enough that if he bounces back and looks like the ‘16/‘17 version, he’ll have a shot at 4/50-60 at age 31. He had a couple of pretty good years in Oakland, and the extra foul territory/deep OF suit his pitching tendencies. He’s actually the perfect guy for them because 1) they need SP options, 2) great parkfit, 3) he’s likely to be very cheap, at least in relative terms, 4) he’ll likely take a short-term deal, possibly even a 1+1 option, which could theoretically benefit both team and player, since 5) he’s a high-upside gamble who could easily be flipped regardless of performance (low salary, good history), but potentially return a bunch, if 6) as a playoff contender, they somehow falter...although if not, he could be a huge boon to their hopes, even if 7) he’s not around long-term, allowing them time to develop, but not blocking guys like Puk. Milwaukee could use him too; hell so could Cincy (low-cost high-upside option on a team where any warm body is a rotation upgrade) or even the Cubs. I’m curious to see what happens with relatively similar pitchers like Gio Gonzalez. I think a team like the Giants would be smart to value-shop and use their financial muscle to collect and flip rebound candidates in an environment that makes pitchers look good.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 7, 2019 23:20:45 GMT -5
For $8M the Sox would be wise to sign him as 6th SP this year 1. To start the season easing rotation back. 2. As excellent injury protection. 3. As protection against Sale or Porcello leaving. That would likely be a waste of $8 million. First there's no telling if Pomeranz can sustain his velocity or being an effective pitcher and it's hard to do that being a #6 starter. Fortunately the Sox do have a #6 starter who can start or pitch long relief and makes a small fraction of that and is reasonably effective. His name is Brian Johnson. And they have a right handed version (somewhat) who's also a cheap option and goes by the name of Hector Velazquez. And they also signed Erasmo Ramirez as a guy who can go up and down between Pawtucket and Boston if need be. Not to mention there's also Shawaryn. No need to spend $8 million on Pomeranz. Rather see the Sox give some of that money to a Brad Brach or Cody Allen as a potential 8th inning option - I'd hope they don't have to close. Given the options at this point I hope they find something palatable with Kimbrel. And honestly if they didn't spend $6M or $7M on a reliever to setup and held it until July, I'd be cool with that.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 8, 2019 0:24:09 GMT -5
For $8M the Sox would be wise to sign him as 6th SP this year 1. To start the season easing rotation back. 2. As excellent injury protection. 3. As protection against Sale or Porcello leaving. That would likely be a waste of $8 million. First there's no telling if Pomeranz can sustain his velocity or being an effective pitcher and it's hard to do that being a #6 starter. Fortunately the Sox do have a #6 starter who can start or pitch long relief and makes a small fraction of that and is reasonably effective. His name is Brian Johnson. And they have a right handed version (somewhat) who's also a cheap option and goes by the name of Hector Velazquez. And they also signed Erasmo Ramirez as a guy who can go up and down between Pawtucket and Boston if need be. Not to mention there's also Shawaryn. No need to spend $8 million on Pomeranz. Rather see the Sox give some of that money to a Brad Brach or Cody Allen as a potential 8th inning option - I'd hope they don't have to close. Given the options at this point I hope they find something palatable with Kimbrel. And honestly if they didn't spend $6M or $7M on a reliever to setup and held it until July, I'd be cool with that. And Wright assuming he isn't finished...
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Post by gerry on Jan 8, 2019 5:40:31 GMT -5
The best of all those long relief/spot start guys we are lucky to have (Johnson, Velasquez, Erasmo, Shawaryn, etc) is Wright, about whose health we have minimal info. Pom has shown he is also better, as a starter AND reliever than any in this group if, like Wright, he is healthy. You seem convinced he has lost at a young age the stuff that made him so good. This may be true, but I am not convinced. Only the Sox know. We don’t.
But we do know the contracts for Sale and Price are expiring and we may need proven replacements. And that some form of 6 man rotation is expected perhaps thru May. And that DDo is likely shooting for a 2020 reset. ln each case, a healthy Pomeranz could be the best possible choice.
I have been surprised more than once at your vitriol towards Pom. We are in a situation where the Sox remain open to all options which improve the team. I see the logic of the Sox being open to Pom being part of that.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 8, 2019 8:24:14 GMT -5
How many 6th starters do we need ? And what the hell do you do with them when they're not needed?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 8, 2019 8:26:42 GMT -5
How many 6th starters do we need ? And what the hell do you do with them when they're not needed? Chicken and beer.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 8, 2019 8:30:05 GMT -5
The best of all those long relief/spot start guys we are lucky to have (Johnson, Velasquez, Erasmo, Shawaryn, etc) is Wright, about whose health we have minimal info. Pom has shown he is also better, as a starter AND reliever than any in this group if, like Wright, he is healthy. You seem convinced he has lost at a young age the stuff that made him so good. This may be true, but I am not convinced. Only the Sox know. We don’t. But we do know the contracts for Sale and Price are expiring and we may need proven replacements. And that some form of 6 man rotation is expected perhaps thru May. And that DDo is likely shooting for a 2020 reset. ln each case, a healthy Pomeranz could be the best possible choice. I have been surprised more than once at your vitriol towards Pom. We are in a situation where the Sox remain open to all options which improve the team. I see the logic of the Sox being open to Pom being part of that. Well, Pomeranz made the team worse last year and he's not needed in any possible way. They aren't going to be able to find out if he's any good. He will not be able to keep stretched out long while in the bullpen and he's out of options. So if you then needed him to start in July and hasn't started since May, he'd be able to give you 2-3 innings tops. How could that possibly improve the team? All we saw from him last year was that he was absolutely terrible. The rumors that he was hitting 94 at the end of the playoffs were just rumors and still not enough to get him into a single game, including the 18 inning game when they were all running on fumes. I don't see any scenario where he'd want to be back either. With that being said, I'd gladly take him on a minor league deal and that's it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 8, 2019 8:33:15 GMT -5
I'm surprised he hasn't signed with a team yet though. Like this guy was one year removed from a near 4 bWAR season (3.9) in 2017 nearly two years ago. He probably knows he's going to rebuild his value this next season. I'm just shocked no team has ponied up even a little yet to capatilze on a one year "pillow" deal as Theo use to put it with the Adrian Beltre contract way back when. The Brewers or A's should be all over this guy for instance. Would it really kill them to offer 5-8 million maybe with incentives to get Pomeranz? I think 5-8 million is way too much for him. I'm sure he has gotten offers but maybe he's looking for more or a different situation/role. I'm not sure why everyone is so quick to blame only teams for players not being signed yet because it always takes two sides to agree. No one has any idea of how unreasonable players' demands might be.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2019 9:33:41 GMT -5
That would likely be a waste of $8 million. First there's no telling if Pomeranz can sustain his velocity or being an effective pitcher and it's hard to do that being a #6 starter. Fortunately the Sox do have a #6 starter who can start or pitch long relief and makes a small fraction of that and is reasonably effective. His name is Brian Johnson. And they have a right handed version (somewhat) who's also a cheap option and goes by the name of Hector Velazquez. And they also signed Erasmo Ramirez as a guy who can go up and down between Pawtucket and Boston if need be. Not to mention there's also Shawaryn. No need to spend $8 million on Pomeranz. Rather see the Sox give some of that money to a Brad Brach or Cody Allen as a potential 8th inning option - I'd hope they don't have to close. Given the options at this point I hope they find something palatable with Kimbrel. And honestly if they didn't spend $6M or $7M on a reliever to setup and held it until July, I'd be cool with that. And Wright assuming he isn't finished... Thank you. I knew I was forgetting someone - only the best #6 option - with the caveat of if he's healthy enough. Between Wright, Johnson, Velazquez, Ramirez, and Shawaryn they should have the #6, #7, #8, and #9 starting pitcher options solid enough that they wouldn't need to waste $8 million on Pomeranz, who himself would have zero reason to want to stick around. If you were Pomeranz would you rather have a legit shot at cracking the top five of a rotation or be bullpen depth bouncing around in the pen? If it were me I'd rather do a make good kind of deal, get my starts, re-establish myself if possible, and then cash in next year. Hard to do that as a substitute starter/long reliever.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 8, 2019 9:52:36 GMT -5
And Wright assuming he isn't finished... Thank you. I knew I was forgetting someone - only the best #6 option - with the caveat of if he's healthy enough. Between Wright, Johnson, Velazquez, Ramirez, and Shawaryn they should have the #6, #7, #8, and #9 starting pitcher options solid enough that they wouldn't need to waste $8 million on Pomeranz, who himself would have zero reason to want to stick around. If you were Pomeranz would you rather have a legit shot at cracking the top five of a rotation or be bullpen depth bouncing around in the pen? If it were me I'd rather do a make good kind of deal, get my starts, re-establish myself if possible, and then cash in next year. Hard to do that as a substitute starter/long reliever. I think it's the old adage, you can never have too much bitching.
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Post by dmaineah on Jan 8, 2019 10:21:30 GMT -5
Offer Pomeranz a 1 year deal for $5m with escalators/bonuses, if he doesn't take it let him walk
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2019 11:39:57 GMT -5
Offer Pomeranz a 1 year deal for $5m with escalators/bonuses, if he doesn't take it let him walk Why? They have better options at this point.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jan 8, 2019 11:58:12 GMT -5
Offer Pomeranz a 1 year deal for $5m with escalators/bonuses, if he doesn't take it let him walk Even $5M would be difficult for the club to come up with for such a luxury. ANY extra dough needs to go for extensions in my opinion. DD can't work with the dollars he has now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jan 8, 2019 14:57:39 GMT -5
I'm surprised he hasn't signed with a team yet though. Like this guy was one year removed from a near 4 bWAR season (3.9) in 2017 nearly two years ago. He probably knows he's going to rebuild his value this next season. I'm just shocked no team has ponied up even a little yet to capatilze on a one year "pillow" deal as Theo use to put it with the Adrian Beltre contract way back when. The Brewers or A's should be all over this guy for instance. Would it really kill them to offer 5-8 million maybe with incentives to get Pomeranz? I think 5-8 million is way too much for him. I'm sure he has gotten offers but maybe he's looking for more or a different situation/role. I'm not sure why everyone is so quick to blame only teams for players not being signed yet because it always takes two sides to agree. No one has any idea of how unreasonable players' demands might be. 5-8 million is like pocket change to the owners.
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Post by gerry on Jan 8, 2019 15:24:23 GMT -5
Offer Pomeranz a 1 year deal for $5m with escalators/bonuses, if he doesn't take it let him walk Why? They have better options at this point. To my point. If he is healthy and can revert to 2017 form he is, in fact, the best option among Johnson, Velasquez, Erasmo, Shawaryn, maybe even a healthy Wright. Neither you nor I know what shape he or his pitches are in right now. The Sox probably do. If he is on the road back, $8M would be a Good move for him and the team short and long term.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 8, 2019 15:44:46 GMT -5
I don't see why he'd sign with us at this point. Yet if he would why not? Everyone that thought Eovaldi was a must resign and Porcello can't be traded because of the risk of our starters now thinks you can have too much pitching? The same people that said Wright couldn't be counted on now want to use him as a reason not to add a crazy high upside starter? If he'll resign for 5 million it seems like a no brainer that you sign him ASAP. He has a lot of bullpen experience.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 8, 2019 16:02:19 GMT -5
Why? They have better options at this point. To my point. If he is healthy and can revert to 2017 form he is, in fact, the best option among Johnson, Velasquez, Erasmo, Shawaryn, maybe even a healthy Wright. Neither you nor I know what shape he or his pitches are in right now. The Sox probably do. If he is on the road back, $8M would be a Good move for him and the team short and long term. How would the Red Sox know? Really know? He didn't pitch in any of the World Series games. It would have taken them 19 innings to find out - doesn't that tell you they didn't have the greatest of faith in him? They preferred to possibly risk losing Eovaldi for the next few games than give Pomeranz a shot at pitching in the game. That doesn't make me scream out - must risk 8 million on him. Especially with his health history. Especially when 8 million could be spent on somebody that can improve their bullpen or whatever the team needs in July. And like I said, given that he's not getting that kind of offer he's going to want to play on a team where he has a legit shot at starting every 5th day so he has a shot at pitching well enough to get a better contract down the road.
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 8, 2019 16:23:24 GMT -5
I think 5-8 million is way too much for him. I'm sure he has gotten offers but maybe he's looking for more or a different situation/role. I'm not sure why everyone is so quick to blame only teams for players not being signed yet because it always takes two sides to agree. No one has any idea of how unreasonable players' demands might be. 5-8 million is like pocket change to the owners. So then pay him $18 million? $28 million? Has nothing to do with the owners. Wasting money is stupid.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 8, 2019 21:43:06 GMT -5
Shelby Miller for $6-8mil with options for 2020-21 guves rhem bullpen and starter depth. Much better investment than Pomeranz, IMHO.
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