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Possible 2019/2020 rule changes
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Post by grandsalami on Feb 5, 2019 22:21:34 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 6, 2019 2:14:27 GMT -5
-The 26 man roster rule and 28 man roster rule (12 pitcher maximum) in September would be implemented in 2020.
The 3 batter minimum would be implemented in 2020 also.
Listened to Bowden talk on MLB netword radio and he said that Brodie Van Wagenen (the new Mets GM) made the Cano deal because he knew the DH rule (in the NL) would be implemented by the end of the contract.
From a Red Sox fan perspective, say goodbye to JD Martinez (by the end of 2019) because his market just improved by what 13 teams more in 2020 if that's the case. I'm okay with that too. I'd rather pay a 27 year old Xander instead, but maybe that's just me.
Add- Interleague games could feature a DH, no matter if it's in the NL park or AL park in 2019. So the advantage the NL has over the AL in Interleague would go away. Everyone is bargaining to implement the DH rule by all teams in 2020.
All of this is being bargained of course and not set in stone, but good progress imo.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 6, 2019 2:24:15 GMT -5
Also in exhibition games in extra innings (spring training, All-Star game) is where we might see the runner put on 2nd base to end games.
Add- Single trade deadline before the All-Star break means the end of August waiver wire trades. They will be gone if it's implemented.
I hope they push the trade deadline back to August because of the expansion of the wild card teams (more competition later in the season).
Second add- The 20 second pitch clock is *looking like* it's only being bargained with the bases empty.
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 6, 2019 8:39:16 GMT -5
Can putting a runner on second base for extra innings be far behind?
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 6, 2019 8:59:20 GMT -5
I approve. Let's get it done
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 6, 2019 9:05:32 GMT -5
Also in exhibition games in extra innings (spring training, All-Star game) is where we might see the runner put on 2nd base to end games.
I really couldn't care less about the sanctity of spring training or the All-Star game, but if this is a trial balloon for eventually introducing this nonsense into games that count (as I assume it is), then booooooooooo...
Everything else sounds fine. Universal DH is long overdue.
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Feb 6, 2019 9:09:06 GMT -5
3 batter minimum - I get it, don't love it, but I get it and it would speed things up a little.
Universal DH - LOVE IT! FINALLY!
Single Trade Deadline - Like it, but not before the All-Star Break, hate the waiver deadline trades.
20 second pitch clock - Love the idea, but it will never really be enforced so who cares
26 man roster with 12 pitcher max - Extra MLB salary for a quad-A minor leaguer/unsigned veteran FA? Sounds like a good idea to me.
Draft Advantage/Disadvantage - Just put a salary floor, teams don't really care THAT much about draft picks, it's not the NBA or even the NFL.
Lower the mound - Are we just destined to continually swing back and forth between dead-ball and 98-roid ball?
2 sport amateurs - Eh, not worth the loopholes it creates. Boras will have guys play varsity whatever their junior year so they can qualify for an MLB contract (or it will have to be a VERY convoluted rule about who qualifies)
2nd base runner in Extra Innings - In exhibition games, or minor league games go nuts. In games that matter, nope
28 man roster w/12 pitcher max in Sept - I'd actually like to really comment on this one. This gets brought up a lot because people don't like that September expanded rosters mean you're playing the most important games with different rules. If you propose that teams have to make 25-28 man rosters before every game so they can't use everyone on the 40, then all that means is teams will just hold out the 4 starters who would never pitch that game anyways, plus any relievers that need a night off after pitching recently. You're still going to have 12 guys available to pitch that night, unlike every other game of the year where you usually only have 7-8 guys available. You just cut down on a couple more pinch hitters/late inning defensive moves which do nothing to slow down games really
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Post by greenmonster on Feb 6, 2019 9:30:42 GMT -5
So with a 3 batter minimum does that mean you can't bring in a "closer" to record a 1 or 2 out save?
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Post by nomar on Feb 6, 2019 10:36:10 GMT -5
I get wanting a quicker pace, but I really don't like that 3 batter minimum rule.
What happens when you put a guy in that clearly doesn't have it? He gets in trouble with 3 straight batters, probably working at a lethargic pace, not getting any outs, and then there is a pitching change anyway? This would decide a lot of games and I don't think would have a substantial enough effect on pace to be worth it.
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Post by maxwellsdemon on Feb 6, 2019 11:14:09 GMT -5
I'd go with a 2 batter minimum which at least reduces the problem with an exception for the potential last out of a game. Not a fan of starting a runner on second in extra innings, don't like it even in our senior softball league. OK with a single trade deadline expiring 6 weeks before that last schedule game of the regular season. OK with the limited expansion of late season rosters, even with the work around that The Town Sports Cards noted above About time for the Universal DH and rosters to 26 with 12 pitchers Not sure how penalizing teams drafting position that have had bad results helps ameliorate that situation. Payroll floor seems like a better solution with a punitive tax for failure (not just bringing them up to the floor). Does changing the mound height create potential pitcher arm/leg injury increases. Are pitchers more dominant recently because of that situation like in the 60's or is it more a result of the increase in all-or-nothing plate approach?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2019 11:36:48 GMT -5
I get wanting a quicker pace, but I really don't like that 3 batter minimum rule. What happens when you put a guy in that clearly doesn't have it? He gets in trouble with 3 straight batters, probably working at a lethargic pace, not getting any outs, and then there is a pitching change anyway? This would decide a lot of games and I don't think would have a substantial enough effect on pace to be worth it. I mean, how often does a guy "not have it" to the extent that he gets pulled after his first batter? A manager almost always gives him one more batter anyway, and then if he really doesn't have it they go into full sandbag mode to give the next guy a chance to warm up. What this really does is eliminate relievers who come into the game to pitch to one hitter, ie the lefty specialist. Those guys have been on the decline anyway, and no one enjoys having them as part of the game really, so I'm all in favor of banning them outright.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 6, 2019 11:42:03 GMT -5
Switching pitchers frequently isn't a problem. Taking three minutes to give a commercial break and warm-up routine is unnecessary and breaks up the flow of close games in the late innings. Get rid of the warm-up routine and mid-inning breaks and use all the pitchers you want. Like FTHW said, the single-batter pitcher usage has slipped a bit anyway, probably because Joe Torre and Tony LaRussa aren't managing anymore.
Draft order in ascending finish, rather than descending. Best teams get the first shot at the players they want. You want to trade your veterans for prospects? Fine. But bottoming out has a consequence on your draft position. Your team sucks? Scout better, and add players to make your team better now. It would also make the draft more interesting - does a team bring Casey Mize straight to the majors? Not if that team is awful and is going to waste service time. But... if he's on the Astros? Yeah, he's in the playoffs. That's good for baseball. Also, the draft cap has been a miserable failure in terms of parity, because of the way it's incentivized bottoming out. And not that it's my primary concern, but it makes the draft itself a bigger ratings even, and changes the strategy. Does a team with a shorter window maybe focus on a player who can help in the short term? Like, do the Red Sox value Rutschman a bit more because they need a catcher and he can probably help in a couple years? When you're picking 28th that's not usually a concern, and when you stink that's not a concern either. But a contender picking a franchise player? That might tip the scales.
Or just eliminate the damn draft.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 6, 2019 11:47:38 GMT -5
Does changing the mound height create potential pitcher arm/leg injury increases. Are pitchers more dominant recently because of that situation like in the 60's or is it more a result of the increase in all-or-nothing plate approach? I've heard people suggest moving the mound back by a small amount (maybe a foot) as a less disruptive way of accomplishing the same goals. It would be a very minor change for pitchers, and fans wouldn't notice a thing, but it would effectively shave velocity off every pitch in the game, which should in turn have a fairly predictable effect on contact rates. I guess the 60 feet 6 inches measurement is held as a little more sacred than the hight of the mound, but A) that's dumb and B) the mound distance has changed a bunch of times too, just not as recently. In any event, it seems like the better option to me, and I hope they're not only looking at the mound hight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2019 12:20:52 GMT -5
Can putting a runner on second base for extra innings be far behind? Please no to that. That's the equivalent of a hockey overtime shootout. No thank you. How about actually playing baseball when it's extra innings? Gimmicks need not apply. Most extra inning games are done within an inning or two. Doesn't make sense to play baseball differently just because something out of the ordinary, like an 18 inning World Series game happens. That's like the overreaction from the tie game in the All-Star game that prompted home field advantage in the World Series because of an exhibition game result. I am cool with the ideas of implementing a NL DH (it's about time) and making a pitcher have to face at least 3 batters and other things like adding an extra roster spot all season and knocking down the roster number in September.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2019 12:22:02 GMT -5
"Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season."
There's no possible way that they can do this for this season. That's ridiculous. Every NL team would have done things differently this offseason if they had known this would be the new rule.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 6, 2019 12:25:08 GMT -5
"Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season." There's no possible way that they can do this for this season. That's ridiculous. Every NL team would have done things differently this offseason if they had known this would be the new rule. Don't see it happening in 2019 but they could do it. It's February 6th and lot of rosters are unsettled. Hanley Ramirez is still looking for work. There are a lot of DH types sitting out there unsigned who would be an upgrade over their best pinch-hitters. I don't think that it's a major issue.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 6, 2019 12:29:29 GMT -5
"Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season." There's no possible way that they can do this for this season. That's ridiculous. Every NL team would have done things differently this offseason if they had known this would be the new rule. Don't see it happening in 2019 but they could do it. It's February 6th and lot of rosters are unsettled. Hanley Ramirez is still looking for work. There are a lot of DH types sitting out there unsigned who would be an upgrade over their best pinch-hitters. I don't think that it's a major issue. Right, but teams set budgets way before now and most probably have used theirs up. Plus, you'd have a huge bidding war on any bats remaining. I think any rule change has to be made prior to any offseason activity.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 6, 2019 12:34:51 GMT -5
The question that all sports teams should ask themselves: Is your tiebreaker scheme worse than a tie?
If the answer is yes (and if the answer isn't just "play overtime" it is almost always yes), then just call it a tie.
If you think the costs of extra innings (player injuries, lack of competitiveness), outweight the benefits (determining the winner of that specific game), that's... the whole point of a tie.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 6, 2019 15:16:59 GMT -5
"Under the plan, the National League would adopt the DH for the 2019 season." There's no possible way that they can do this for this season. That's ridiculous. Every NL team would have done things differently this offseason if they had known this would be the new rule. They are aiming to get the rule implemented in 2020. They are trying to get it implemented in Interleague games in 2019, whether it's in the NL park or AL park.
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Post by Canseco on Feb 6, 2019 16:46:31 GMT -5
If they are placing a 12-man ceiling on pitching staffs, then why is the “face three-batters” rule necessary? I really don’t like that one or the creeping in of extra inning/runner at second base deal.
How about a limitation on pickoff attempts per at-bat or inning?
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 6, 2019 17:27:02 GMT -5
So with a 3 batter minimum does that mean you can't bring in a "closer" to record a 1 or 2 out save? I’m doubt it applies to the last pitcher of the game because the team didn’t take him out
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Post by mredsox89 on Feb 6, 2019 19:37:43 GMT -5
Nothing in here really angers me, so that's a positive.
The DH thing should already be in both leagues, I'm fairly surprised that it hasn't happened and there hasn't been more of a push to keep pitchers from hitting.
The problem with eliminating the one out RP is that it's really unlikely to speed the game up that much. They keep doing these small things, that still don't add up all that much. The way to actually make the game 10-15 minutes shorter is to shorten commercial breaks, which they're just not going to do.
Not a fan of them moving the deadline, though it's at least somewhat counterbalanced by eliminating what's always been kind of a weird secondary deadline.
The pitch clock won't be followed, at least not until all the players have spent their entire career in the minors with it enforced.
Modifying the mound is interesting. That's the one that, if enacted, will most impact the actual game.
Just for the love of god, don't use the stupid runner on 2B in extras rule. I have it in the minors now, and it's great, because the games don't matter much, no one wants to be there forever, and any fans that were there are long gone by like the 11th. But in the majors, hell no
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Post by orion09 on Feb 6, 2019 19:37:48 GMT -5
Could someone explain the argument against the 40-man roster in September?
I've seen DD say he wants it changed, which never made sense to me from the perspective of a GM, who I would think would enjoy the flexibility.
Is it a financial thing? Or just a rules/tradition thing?
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Post by p23w on Feb 6, 2019 20:04:44 GMT -5
I think this thread is a red herring. If Machado, Harper, Kimbrel, et al had signed or were in deep negotiations this topic doesn't mentioned. The media pundits need fodder.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 6, 2019 21:52:53 GMT -5
One more rule change might happen that hasn't been mentioned.
MLB wants to limit mound visits to 4 a game in 2019 and 3 a game in 2020.
This and the pitch clock is the only 2 rules that can be enforced by the commisioner as of right now in 2019.
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