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Post by ramireja on May 15, 2019 12:44:22 GMT -5
I usually follow draft and pre-draft news pretty close, but with the Sox not picking until #43 this year, I've admittedly been paying little attention. So that said, I appreciate the names listed above (via thegoodthebadthesox) as a starting point for some research.
I also noticed a couple of previous sox draftees are in MLB's top 100 list:
#47 - Davis Wendzel - 3B/SS - Baylor: We drafted him in the 37th round last year as a draft eligible sophomore. I doubt there was every any real intention to sign him nor do I recall any rumors/news of him considering to sign. He went back to Baylor this year and has put up a .385/.500/.647 slash line and may have some positional versatility down the line. #76 - Nick Quintana - 3B - Arizona: I won't rehash the whole story, but we drafted him out of HS in Round 11 of the 2016 draft and at one point seemed like he might sign. Instead he went to Arizona where he has showed off some decent pop and solid defense at the hot corner. He does have swing-and-miss to his game that has lead to some streakiness. He is slashing .330/.464/.605 (12 HRs) this year.
I do wonder if either guy could get a look at our #43 or #69 picks.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 15, 2019 12:54:33 GMT -5
I usually follow draft and pre-draft news pretty close, but with the Sox not picking until #43 this year, I've admittedly been paying little attention. So that said, I appreciate the names listed above (via thegoodthebadthesox) as a starting point for some research. I also noticed a couple of previous sox draftees are in MLB's top 100 list: #47 - Davis Wendzel - 3B/SS - Baylor: We drafted him in the 37th round last year as a draft eligible sophomore. I doubt there was every any real intention to sign him nor do I recall any rumors/news of him considering to sign. He went back to Baylor this year and has put up a .385/.500/.647 slash line and may have some positional versatility down the line. #76 - Nick Quintana - 3B - Arizona: I won't rehash the whole story, but we drafted him out of HS in Round 11 of the 2016 draft and at one point seemed like he might sign. Instead he went to Arizona where he has showed off some decent pop and solid defense at the hot corner. He does have swing-and-miss to his game that has lead to some streakiness. He is slashing .330/.464/.605 (12 HRs) this year. I do wonder if either guy could get a look at our #43 or #69 picks. Well, we are short on 3b prospects. (And just to head this off - I'm totally kidding because I know you don't draft for need!)
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 15, 2019 14:20:12 GMT -5
Baseball America released their Top 500 prospect today. There are a handful of former Red Sox draftees: #69 - Davis Wendzel ('18) #82 - Nick Quintana ('16) #92 - Zach Watson ('18) #200 - John Rave ('16) #244 - Cam Shepherd ('16) #265 - Tyler Fitzgerald ('16) #319 - Carter Aldrete ('16) #326 - Jeff Belge ('16)
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Post by ramireja on May 16, 2019 13:01:54 GMT -5
Has anyone followed Ethan Small (LHP - Mississippi St.) this year? His scouting report is modest: fringe average to average fastball, solid changeup and control/command but not much in the way of a third pitch. That said, his numbers in the SEC are silly: 78.0IP 42H 15ER 19BB 132K (1.73 ERA, 0.78 WHIP, 15.23K/9)
Could he be a target at #43 or #69 if he gets there? There is apparently a good amount of deception to his FB and although the velo is modest, he stills gets a good amount of swing and miss while often working up in the zone.
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 18, 2019 11:56:23 GMT -5
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Post by danr on May 18, 2019 14:01:04 GMT -5
In neither of his articles does he say what position he plays. Perfect Game lists him as a SS/OF. He also doesn't mention that he hit .412 last year and is over .400 this year. No HRs, however.
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Post by dirtdog on May 20, 2019 14:58:44 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on May 20, 2019 16:59:24 GMT -5
I’ve been looking at some draft trends recently to get a feel for how this draft might go down. One thing in particular stands out when comparing the Red Sox draft selections of college bats, college arms, HS bats, and HS arms. Over the past four drafts (2015-2018), the Red Sox have drafted and signed a total of 5 HS pitchers (and that includes Gregorio Reyes last year whose HS status wasn’t entirely clear to me). Over that same span, the Sox have drafted and/or signed (includes undrafted free agents) 23 HS position players ( an average of 1.25 HS pitchers and 5.75 HS position players per draft). In the previous three drafts (so all after the CBA changes that went into affect before 2012 draft), the Red Sox drafted and signed 11 HS pitchers compared to 15 HS position players ( an average of 3.7 HS pitchers and 5 HS position players per draft). See below for year-by-year breakdown. I’m not entirely sure why this trend has occurred but here are a couple of things to note: 1) 2014 was the last year that Amiel Sawadaye was the Director of Amateur Scouting. Mike Rikard took over in 2015 and has been in that role ever since. 2) I’m not sure how much pull Brian Bannister has in the draft process but he’s candidly talked about how few draft-eligible prospects actually project to be an MLB starter and I imagine that number is miniscule when you talk about HS pitchers. They’re just so difficult to project and I would imagine carry more injury risk(?). The Red Sox clearly feel better about either evaluating HS talent among position players and/or feel better about developing that demographic once in the system. Bottom line: If this trend holds, I wouldn't expect many HS pitchers to be drafted AND signed. Year-by-year breakdown of players drafted and signed out of HS: Year | HS position players | HS pitchers | 2018 | 6 | 1 | 2017 | 9 | 2 | 2016 | 4 | 1 | 2015 | 4 | 1 | 2014 | 5 | 3 | 2013 | 8 | 5 | 2012 | 2 | 3 |
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Post by vermontsox1 on May 21, 2019 8:46:50 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on May 21, 2019 9:01:29 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2019 10:40:54 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 21, 2019 10:47:44 GMT -5
Hard to say that without knowing how much he got to sign. NPB players get a much better regular salary than MILB players, and he'd theoretically be able to hit free agency much, much earlier. He'd still have six years of service time in MLB, but provided he plays well in Japan he'd get a six-year deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 21, 2019 11:10:26 GMT -5
About the only thing we can say with certainty is that we will never know the real story.
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Post by James Dunne on May 21, 2019 13:45:11 GMT -5
He got a $4 million bonus. Which is about the 14th pick (he probably wasn't going to go 14th), and doesn't really indicate that he's injured and traded bonus money for security at all.
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Post by James Dunne on May 21, 2019 23:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 22, 2019 3:09:33 GMT -5
Kid took a punch for the player's union in MLB for sure. This and Murray are two of the best ammunition they have going to the bargaining table in the next CBA.
Stewart is taking all the risk here however. This move was still aimed at getting to MLB obviously, but Japan's methods of developing pitching is way different than here.
Pitch counts aren't a big thing for example. A lot of these young guys throw a ton of innings in Japan. Dice-K, Darvish, Tanaka, Ohtani. If you have talent at a young age, they push you it seems. They're focused on winning and not developing, just like in the majors over here.
Add- He can't get posted either, unless he wants to play for cheap. He has to play all 6 years in Japan. Money was the main factor in driving this, so he won't get posted.
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Post by dirtdog on May 22, 2019 17:12:19 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on May 23, 2019 8:13:17 GMT -5
It doesn't feel like a particularly deep draft, but I have to sat that the top four (Rutschman, Vaughn, Witt, and Adams) feels like the best in awhile.
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 23, 2019 9:51:47 GMT -5
Carter Stewart is now the poster child for changing the pay scale of pre-arb players in MLB. I've got to hand it to Boras. If the owners are unwilling to reward players in their free-agent period, he's going to create leverage at the other end. Stewart is the first piece on his new charm bracelet, one stamped made in Japan. www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/sports/carter-stewart-japan.html
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Post by jimed14 on May 23, 2019 10:00:44 GMT -5
Carter Stewart is now the poster child for changing the pay scale of pre-arb players in MLB. I've got to hand it to Boras. If the owners are unwilling to reward players in their free-agent period, he's going to create leverage at the other end. Stewart is the first piece on his new charm bracelet, one stamped made in Japan. www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/sports/carter-stewart-japan.htmlI'm on board. I've always been on board. I'm sure the Marlins, Rays and Orioles will fight that until the end though. It's not just the pay scale for pre-arb players. It's also the pay scale for minor league players.
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Post by ramireja on May 23, 2019 11:10:00 GMT -5
I thought this was an interesting comment in Longenhagen's Fangraph's chat yesterday:
Despite our disadvantages in bonus pools for the past couple of years, we've been pretty good at drafting/signing HS bats in this range (or I guess more in the 150k-600k range). Guys like Northcut, Howlett, Perry, Esplin, Dearden, and even Scherff were signed in our just outside this range.
Although at first glance our $4.7M bonus cap might seem limiting with regard to drafting/signing this demographic, it really shouldn't be all that different from previous years so as long as they draft guys at or near slot in the first 3 rounds or so. To create $ to spend in Rounds 11 and later, first consider that there will be about 235K in 5% overage past our bonus cap. Then consider we will probably make at least two senior signs between rounds 7-10 which should free up an additional 300K. Then personally, I love the idea of targeting a priority senior sign....someone who isn't a complete org guy and has a reasonable ceiling as a bench guy or in middle relief (e.g., Devlin Granberg, Ben Taylor). If you take that guy in say Round 4, even if you have to sign him between 50K-100K, you can still create 300K+ to spend in later rounds and you're basically getting first dibs on a meaningful senior sign. Bottom line -- if this draft is deep in mid bonus HS players, there are ways for us to land 2-3 of these guys even with our relatively small bonus pool.
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Post by telson13 on May 23, 2019 11:34:34 GMT -5
Carter Stewart is now the poster child for changing the pay scale of pre-arb players in MLB. I've got to hand it to Boras. If the owners are unwilling to reward players in their free-agent period, he's going to create leverage at the other end. Stewart is the first piece on his new charm bracelet, one stamped made in Japan. www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/sports/carter-stewart-japan.htmlI'm on board. I've always been on board. I'm sure the Marlins, Rays and Orioles will fight that until the end though. It's not just the pay scale for pre-arb players. It's also the pay scale for minor league players. Very curious to see how it all plays out for him, amateurs/fresh pros, and MLB.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 24, 2019 22:38:15 GMT -5
MLB came out with their top 200 today, so I decided to go through it and, assuming the draft order goes exactly like the top 200 (obviously not going to happen), do a "mock draft" for the Red Sox based on who I'd take if they were available at the pick. (The second listed name is my best case pick)
Pick 43: Sammy Siani or Kyren Paris Pick 69: Evan Fitterer or Aaron Schunk Pick 107: Jordan Brewer or Zach Watson Pick 137: Honorable mention to Spencer Brickhouse for the 80 grade name, but Andrew Schultz or Jared Southard Pick 168: Logan Driscoll or Jake Mangum Pick 198: Joshua or Erik Rivera
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Post by RedSoxStats on May 24, 2019 22:58:58 GMT -5
Arkansas closer Matt Cronin is ranked 74th by MLB. Wouldn't be surprised to see the Sox take him with an under slot deal.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 25, 2019 8:01:49 GMT -5
From Baseball America
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