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Red Sox, Chris Sale Agree to Extension (5 years/$145 mill)
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Post by Don Caballero on Mar 22, 2019 13:56:56 GMT -5
For this to be an apt comp Sale would have had to sign for like 15 per even then all the other variables you stated make it very difficult. Yeah this is not as discounted as I initially thought it was lol.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2019 13:58:58 GMT -5
For this to be an apt comp Sale would have had to sign for like 15 per even then all the other variables you stated make it very difficult. Yeah this is not as discounted as I initially thought it was lol. It's 5 years. Most pitchers of his caliber at his age want 7.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2019 14:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 22, 2019 15:00:28 GMT -5
Well i originally though 5/140 so not going to complain about 5/145!
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 22, 2019 15:02:06 GMT -5
Ya know, I'd be terrified pitching today before the physical if I were Chris Sale.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 22, 2019 15:24:29 GMT -5
Happy for Chris Sale. He has been such surplus for his teams and I worried that his shoulder issues would hurt his value. I don't really care about the risk, or even if he pitches below value over the course of this contract. He has been a warrior for his teams, his union, and the fans.
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Post by michael on Mar 22, 2019 15:38:06 GMT -5
Happy for Chris Sale. He has been such surplus for his teams and I worried that his shoulder issues would hurt his value. I don't really care about the risk, or even if he pitches below value over the course of this contract. He has been a warrior for his teams, his union, and the fans. And in one case, the company that provided uniforms to the ChiSox.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 22, 2019 16:24:30 GMT -5
Ya know, I'd be terrified pitching today before the physical if I were Chris Sale. He’s been scratched
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Post by GyIantosca on Mar 22, 2019 17:31:57 GMT -5
The top of the staff is all set. I wonder if this means Porcello last year with team. I also wonder if they approach anyone else so far i.e. Xander or asked J.D. about the opt out or address it. Wow this team has a lot of work to do regarding contracts.
I wonder if Xander they want him to find out his market or value in offseason because he is kind of hard to narrow down.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 22, 2019 18:22:10 GMT -5
The top of the staff is all set. I wonder if this means Porcello last year with team. I also wonder if they approach anyone else so far i.e. Xander or asked J.D. about the opt out or address it. Wow this team has a lot of work to do regarding contracts. I wonder if Xander they want him to find out his market or value in offseason because he is kind of hard to narrow down. Unless Porcello is willing to take vastly less than he'll almost certainly get somewhere else, he's not going to be back in the rotation. They've got so much $ committed to Sale/Price/Eovaldi, that ideally they'll fill the 4 spot with E-rod, and the 5 spot with either guys on rookie deals (Hernandez/Houck/Sharawyn) or maybe a mid-level FA. Assuming they don't just get rid of Wright with all of his issues, he's a cheap option as well.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 22, 2019 19:11:08 GMT -5
The top of the staff is all set. I wonder if this means Porcello last year with team. I also wonder if they approach anyone else so far i.e. Xander or asked J.D. about the opt out or address it. Wow this team has a lot of work to do regarding contracts. I wonder if Xander they want him to find out his market or value in offseason because he is kind of hard to narrow down. Unless Porcello is willing to take vastly less than he'll almost certainly get somewhere else, he's not going to be back in the rotation. They've got so much $ committed to Sale/Price/Eovaldi, that ideally they'll fill the 4 spot with E-rod, and the 5 spot with either guys on rookie deals (Hernandez/Houck/Sharawyn) or maybe a mid-level FA. Assuming they don't just get rid of Wright with all of his issues, he's a cheap option as well. Yeah, Porcello is most likely a goner after the year ends. I think the Sox know that they need to shell out around $35 million/year (or possibly more) for Mookie. They haven't engaged JD Martinez and talks with Bogaerts haven't gone anywhere. They haven't even approached Porcello. As Dombrowski said, they can't all be signed. Even if Porcello would sign for $15 million/year, the Sox most likely don't bring him back. The Red Sox knew they weren't bringing back Kimbrel and I think they don't have designs on bringing back Porcello. I think they'd like to bring Bogaerts back at their price, but that's unlikely. The Red Sox really wanted Sale back (and Sale conceded years and even some annual $) and they want Mookie back, but I do anticipate Mookie will have other suitors and that he wants to hear what they have to offer. The Red Sox are going to have to top them to keep him. I think he's going to go to the highest bidder. Who knows? Maybe the Phillies go after him? I'm sure it won't be a one horse (Red Sox) race. There will be others and the bidding could take his price past Trout's. Dombrowski says he hopes JDM doesn't opt out but if he has a year resembling any of his past five years he's opting out. I would think the Red Sox would try to bring him back, even at a higher annual $. He's becoming too important to the team, even beyond his gaudy numbers. I would think he'd be a priority if he opts out.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 22, 2019 20:07:07 GMT -5
Unless Porcello is willing to take vastly less than he'll almost certainly get somewhere else, he's not going to be back in the rotation. They've got so much $ committed to Sale/Price/Eovaldi, that ideally they'll fill the 4 spot with E-rod, and the 5 spot with either guys on rookie deals (Hernandez/Houck/Sharawyn) or maybe a mid-level FA. Assuming they don't just get rid of Wright with all of his issues, he's a cheap option as well. Yeah, Porcello is most likely a goner after the year ends. I think the Sox know that they need to shell out around $35 million/year (or possibly more) for Mookie. They haven't engaged JD Martinez and talks with Bogaerts haven't gone anywhere. They haven't even approached Porcello. As Dombrowski said, they can't all be signed. Even if Porcello would sign for $15 million/year, the Sox most likely don't bring him back. The Red Sox knew they weren't bringing back Kimbrel and I think they don't have designs on bringing back Porcello. I think they'd like to bring Bogaerts back at their price, but that's unlikely. The Red Sox really wanted Sale back (and Sale conceded years and even some annual $) and they want Mookie back, but I do anticipate Mookie will have other suitors and that he wants to hear what they have to offer. The Red Sox are going to have to top them to keep him. I think he's going to go to the highest bidder. Who knows? Maybe the Phillies go after him? I'm sure it won't be a one horse (Red Sox) race. There will be others and the bidding could take his price past Trout's. Dombrowski says he hopes JDM doesn't opt out but if he has a year resembling any of his past five years he's opting out. I would think the Red Sox would try to bring him back, even at a higher annual $. He's becoming too important to the team, even beyond his gaudy numbers. I would think he'd be a priority if he opts out. I don’t think Sale conceded years and it’s questionable if he conceded much dollars. Teams have been very cautious with long term deals for players with risk especially those 30 and older. If he made it 35 starts without the issues he’s had the last 2 years at the end... maybe but that’s a huge risk on his part.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 22, 2019 20:47:46 GMT -5
Yeah, Porcello is most likely a goner after the year ends. I think the Sox know that they need to shell out around $35 million/year (or possibly more) for Mookie. They haven't engaged JD Martinez and talks with Bogaerts haven't gone anywhere. They haven't even approached Porcello. As Dombrowski said, they can't all be signed. Even if Porcello would sign for $15 million/year, the Sox most likely don't bring him back. The Red Sox knew they weren't bringing back Kimbrel and I think they don't have designs on bringing back Porcello. I think they'd like to bring Bogaerts back at their price, but that's unlikely. The Red Sox really wanted Sale back (and Sale conceded years and even some annual $) and they want Mookie back, but I do anticipate Mookie will have other suitors and that he wants to hear what they have to offer. The Red Sox are going to have to top them to keep him. I think he's going to go to the highest bidder. Who knows? Maybe the Phillies go after him? I'm sure it won't be a one horse (Red Sox) race. There will be others and the bidding could take his price past Trout's. Dombrowski says he hopes JDM doesn't opt out but if he has a year resembling any of his past five years he's opting out. I would think the Red Sox would try to bring him back, even at a higher annual $. He's becoming too important to the team, even beyond his gaudy numbers. I would think he'd be a priority if he opts out. I don’t think Sale conceded years and it’s questionable if he conceded much dollars. Teams have been very cautious with long term deals for players with risk especially those 30 and older. If he made it 35 starts without the issues he’s had the last 2 years at the end... maybe but that’s a huge risk on his part. Well, let's see. Greinke is making 34 million/year. Kershaw is making about the same - would you take the next few years of Kershaw or Sale? Verlander is getting 33 million/year as he is about to be extended for a couple more years according to mlbtraderumors.com. Price is making 31 million/year. Would you say Sale is at least as good a pitcher as those guys? I'd say so. Quality-wise, yes, and it's not even close. Nobody makes 35 starts these days. 33 is about the max. Sale made about 25 last year and probably 23 were good to excellent. I'd say most of those guys got about 32 or 33 starts and probably made the same 23 good to excellent starts, but had more bad ones mixed in. I think on the open market Sale probably could get 6 years if not 7. He probably could get around $200 million, something like 32 million at 6 years. Ace pitchers are very desirable on the free agent market, even a guy like Sale who missed a month or two. Keep in mind also his whole body of work. He has been durable most of the past six or seven years. It's not like he's James Paxton or Clay Buchholz in the durability department. I'd say Sale didn't hold the Red Sox up for every last cent. He has some risk, sure, but the Red Sox also have risk. A future without Chris Sale means they have to find somebody else who can put up 20 plus good to excellent starts in a year. Good luck to them trying to find that, especially given that their farm system doesn't have the next Chris Sale in it or even a Michael Kopech and Moncada to package in a deal for the next Sale, and the free agent market only has Cole, who's not as good a pitcher on it as the only marquis pitcher available. I mean, where can you get the next Sale on the open market? Chris Sale, that's it, so the Sox did well in this deal, too. I assume the Sox aren't going to have Sale unleashing 99 in June like he was doing last year. They must be satisfied with his medicals that he's not 5 minutes away from TJ surgery and that if they handle him right, he'll pitch deeper into the season, perhaps not as dominant, but have that extra on his fastball for later in the season.
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Post by soxjim on Mar 22, 2019 21:01:12 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of this deal. Loved that Sox traded for him. But don't like giving him 5 years starting in 2020.
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Post by swingingbunt on Mar 22, 2019 21:06:13 GMT -5
I'm not in favor of this deal. Loved that Sox traded for him. But don't like giving him 5 years starting in 2020. Have fun on your island I guess
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 22, 2019 21:15:28 GMT -5
In case it hasn't been mentioned, it's $30 million/year for the 2020, 2021, and 2022 seasons, and then an opt-out for 2023 as the salary is $27.5 million, and then another opt-out for the 2024 season with the salary at another $27.5 million.
So it's not a straight 5 year $145 million deal.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2019 21:31:02 GMT -5
Blowing past the lux tax!
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Post by ortiz34 on Mar 22, 2019 21:31:49 GMT -5
For those of you who hate this move, we have no succesor to replace Sale. Groome could have been the guy, but injuries have derailed that plan.
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 22, 2019 21:36:19 GMT -5
Now is the time to sign Kimbrel!
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Post by Smittyw on Mar 22, 2019 21:55:15 GMT -5
...I'm so confused now, no more Twitter, goodnight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 22, 2019 22:00:52 GMT -5
Blowing past the lux tax! Apparently not. They really don't want to go past that line and Kimbrel is not coming back. He'll probably get a couple of years if not 3 with probably Milwaukee. I don't really think Atlanta gets him. With Knebel out they have a need for Kimbrel and can afford him.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 22, 2019 22:09:35 GMT -5
Certainly appears as though, barring something crazy, the Sox are doing everything possible to avoid passing that top luxury tax tier
Staying away from FA relievers, potentially dealing Sandy as opposed to Swihart, making Sale's deal an extension that kicks in in 2020, etc.
I don't necessarily blame them from a business standpoint. It's not like they're not spending money, but kicking yourself down in the draft multiple years in a row, and obviously saving some $
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 22, 2019 23:10:10 GMT -5
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Post by soxjim on Mar 22, 2019 23:30:10 GMT -5
For those of you who hate this move, we have no succesor to replace Sale. Groome could have been the guy, but injuries have derailed that plan. What do you mean by "replace?" And I would like to have had a shot at Cole for less and imo he'll be just as good/ near as good etc over the life of the contract. I'm not going to harp on this anymore. I love the dude Chris Sale. I just think he is going to get hurt. I don't believe his prior wearing down and his injuries from last year are going away. IMO they will pop up. The last two years and for his entire career he doesn't perform well at the end of the season. When there were debates -- even on this site - about the trade - one of the cocnerns was that eventually with his motion he'd eventually run into arm problems in the near future. Anyways, I think I would have tried to avert the risk. Hope I'm wrong. Let's go Sale!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Mar 22, 2019 23:32:40 GMT -5
That's still a lot to pay our closer [/ducks] Nah, Eovaldi is our closer, haven't you heard? Don’t encourage Dmaineah, lol
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