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Post by gerry on Apr 10, 2019 14:50:24 GMT -5
m I don’t remember seeing anything like that, ever. And something like that is unforgettable. Beautiful indeed.
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Post by kevfc89 on Apr 10, 2019 21:29:52 GMT -5
Rays won again today 9 - 1. Glasnow has been dominant this year and again today with 6ip, 0 runs, 11K's, 2 hits, and 1 walk.
The Rays are now 10 - 3 on the year...but just browsing their box score today, it's really impressive the talent they were able to buy low on and looks like they're gonna get good to great returns from; guys like Tommy Pham, Austin Meadows, Tyler Glasnow, Yandy Diaz and more.
The Morton signing has looked prudent (and honestly he may have been the guy to spend less on for what could be better results than Eovaldi), and has formed a potentially scary top three in their rotation with Snell and Glasnow.
They continue to be a very well-run organization, unfortunately.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 11, 2019 7:38:25 GMT -5
They did very, very well in the Archer deal buying low on Glasnow and maybe low-ish on Meadows.
And old buddy Jalen Beeks with the old-school three inning save last night.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 11, 2019 7:43:38 GMT -5
The Morton signing has looked prudent ( and honestly he may have been the guy to spend less on for what could be better results than Eovaldi), and has formed a potentially scary top three in their rotation with Snell and Glasnow. Or, uhh... Chris Sale.
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Post by nomar on Apr 11, 2019 8:31:42 GMT -5
The Rays are such a likable team IMO
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 11, 2019 10:39:02 GMT -5
There should no longer be any doubt that they know what they're doing. Teams such as the Rays and Athletics hold up a mirror to the rest of the league. That's valuable in and of itself but it also makes them contenders.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 11, 2019 12:50:59 GMT -5
We discussed this on the latest podcast a little. Ian called in spring training (1) that people were sleeping on the Rays and (2) that the Red Sox would suck on the opening road trip, and maybe in April generally.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 11, 2019 15:05:08 GMT -5
Braves sign Albies for 7 years/$35 million. What an insane steal. Like, that's some deep incompetence by his agent. Which is also Kimbrel's agent, by the way.
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Post by orion09 on Apr 11, 2019 15:16:10 GMT -5
Braves sign Albies for 7 years/$35 million. What an insane steal. Like, that's some deep incompetence by his agent. Which is also Kimbrel's agent, by the way.
Not only that - after the 7y/$35M, the deal includes a pair of $7M team options for his age 29 and 30 seasons. $7M for the most critical free agent years. For a guy who just posted a 3.8 fWAR season as a 21 year old.
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Post by mredsox89 on Apr 11, 2019 19:32:08 GMT -5
If the deal didn't include the team options, or at the very least were player options, it wouldn't be that bad. Still pre-arbitration, contract would just go through his ARB years.
But those options for the Braves at $7M each? Good lord. Albies must have REALLY wanted to sign a longterm deal right now and had no interest in trying to push the Braves for extra money. Either that or his agent somehow convinced him that he was only worth this deal, because in a sane world, he certainly gets more than $7M/year in free agency unless he becomes a useless player or has some massive injury
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 12, 2019 8:28:32 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 10:42:51 GMT -5
The Rays are such a likable team IMO They moved up considerably on my list of most tolerable teams once Joe Maddon left for Chicago. The Cubs, consequently, moved in the opposite direction.
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Post by nomar on Apr 12, 2019 11:15:27 GMT -5
He and Mark Appel are crazy stories now
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 12, 2019 11:47:33 GMT -5
The Rays are such a likable team IMO They moved up considerably on my list of most tolerable teams once Joe Maddon left for Chicago. The Cubs, consequently, moved in the opposite direction.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 12, 2019 12:15:03 GMT -5
I don't get the Albie's deal. Through age 21 season five of his comps are HOF players, another one that is a maybe HOF, then a young stud like Correra and last at 10 is Devers. He's been that good. Like he has a good chance to earn that 35 million in arbitration, nevermind buying out all his prime years. He would have been a crazy young free agent looking at a huge deal. I get wanting security, but that was stupid! Like 7 years 50 to 60 million, with a couple options at 10 to 15 million would have been a good deal for the Braves. He needs a new agent, like they need to investigate if the Braves paid his agent under the table. Even if he was a pitcher, with all that risk, that is still a horrible deal. It's the type of deal I'd expect a much older player to sign, like a guy that was a 24 or 25 year old rookie. Not a guy that was 20 years old and had a huge age 21 season and is even better this year already. You gotta question how smart he is.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 12, 2019 22:40:54 GMT -5
I don't get the Albie's deal. Through age 21 season five of his comps are HOF players, another one that is a maybe HOF, then a young stud like Correra and last at 10 is Devers. He's been that good. Like he has a good chance to earn that 35 million in arbitration, nevermind buying out all his prime years. He would have been a crazy young free agent looking at a huge deal. I get wanting security, but that was stupid! Like 7 years 50 to 60 million, with a couple options at 10 to 15 million would have been a good deal for the Braves. He needs a new agent, like they need to investigate if the Braves paid his agent under the table. Even if he was a pitcher, with all that risk, that is still a horrible deal. It's the type of deal I'd expect a much older player to sign, like a guy that was a 24 or 25 year old rookie. Not a guy that was 20 years old and had a huge age 21 season and is even better this year already. You gotta question how smart he is. When I read the details it absolutely blew my mind. If I’d been in his shoes, there’s NO way I’d’ve taken that deal unless I was pretty certain (PEDs, injury/catastrophic life/career-threatening disease) my first year was an illusion. Incredible steal for ATL. They are going to be a BEAST of a team. All this low-cost certainty means they’re gonna be able to spend in FA if they do choose, too. Just incredible.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 12, 2019 22:42:08 GMT -5
They moved up considerably on my list of most tolerable teams once Joe Maddon left for Chicago. The Cubs, consequently, moved in the opposite direction. Norm, as infuriating as I often find Maddon, you e GOT to love that mullet. It’s **glorious**
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 13, 2019 6:57:48 GMT -5
When I read the details it absolutely blew my mind. If I’d been in his shoes, there’s NO way I’d’ve taken that deal unless I was pretty certain (PEDs, injury/catastrophic life/career-threatening disease) my first year was an illusion. Incredible steal for ATL. They are going to be a BEAST of a team. All this low-cost certainty means they’re gonna be able to spend in FA if they do choose, too. Just incredible. Or they could just trade everyone in three to five years and do the whole thing over again.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 13, 2019 10:23:39 GMT -5
To give an idea of how much $ he gave up: his value in his first full year with the Braves as a 21 year-old approached what he'll be getting over the life of this contract! Stark. Conservatively, if he averages 4 wins above replacement, what are we talking about, maybe $150 million? That's probably at the very lower end. All that's assuming he's healthy of course, which may have driven his decision. But the risk/reward thing is totally out of whack here.
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Post by telson13 on Apr 13, 2019 21:23:17 GMT -5
When I read the details it absolutely blew my mind. If I’d been in his shoes, there’s NO way I’d’ve taken that deal unless I was pretty certain (PEDs, injury/catastrophic life/career-threatening disease) my first year was an illusion. Incredible steal for ATL. They are going to be a BEAST of a team. All this low-cost certainty means they’re gonna be able to spend in FA if they do choose, too. Just incredible. Or they could just trade everyone in three to five years and do the whole thing over again. Honestly...With the deals they have... Lol, you might be right...trade value on a contract like that is going to be ridiculous. Albies could (it looks like he will) settle in as a 4-5 WAR player. That contract is looking like it might provide over $200M (30+ WAR over 7 years) in excess value. Can you imagine the return? In a way, it’s almost untradeable because I doubt a team would even have the prospect capital to give up to make it worth ATL’s while. You can prob bet on Donaldson being back, and them being in the hunt for Cole.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 14, 2019 10:20:33 GMT -5
Reports say Kimbrel is looking for a deal in the Davis and Britton range three years 39 to 52 million. I don't care what you think of Kimbrel that is a fair deal. That report came out like 12 hours after one saying he still wanted a record setting deal. So color me confused why no team has signed him yet.
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Post by prangerx on Apr 14, 2019 11:16:36 GMT -5
The owners are winning right now. The lack of movement most free agents in recent years has created a situation where players feel the need to sign now. Most of these deals are below market value... Aside for.the truly elite players like Trout. The Albies deal is probably the worst extension from the players perspective.
And the funny part is this leads to a strike the general public won't care and will blame the "greedy baseball players"...Completely overlooking the fact they only want their fair share of the billion dollar revenue the owners are making. I'm pretty sure the owners are making more than the "greedy" players.
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Post by mobaz on Apr 14, 2019 11:20:18 GMT -5
The owners are winning right now. The lack of movement most free agents in recent years has created a situation where players feel the need to sign now. Most of these deals are below market value... Aside for.the truly elite players like Trout. The Albies deal is probably the worst extension from the players perspective. And the funny part is this leads to a strike the general public won't care and will blame the "greedy baseball players"...Completely overlooking the fact they only want their fair share of the billion dollar revenue the owners are making. I'm pretty sure the owners are making more than the "greedy" players. It also makes you wonder if players are getting rumblings about the next CBA, like they're worried they have already "lost."
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 14, 2019 11:48:08 GMT -5
Reports say Kimbrel is looking for a deal in the Davis and Britton range three years 39 to 52 million. I don't care what you think of Kimbrel that is a fair deal. That report came out like 12 hours after one saying he still wanted a record setting deal. So color me confused why no team has signed him yet.Remember when the internet went insane over a pitch that Jose Alvarado threw? That guy, as far as I can tell, signed for nothing, was never a prospect of note, and makes the league minimum. Kimbrel's asking price is roughly twenty-five times the AAV.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 14, 2019 12:23:22 GMT -5
The owners are winning right now. The lack of movement most free agents in recent years has created a situation where players feel the need to sign now. Most of these deals are below market value... Aside for.the truly elite players like Trout. The Albies deal is probably the worst extension from the players perspective. And the funny part is this leads to a strike the general public won't care and will blame the "greedy baseball players"...Completely overlooking the fact they only want their fair share of the billion dollar revenue the owners are making. I'm pretty sure the owners are making more than the "greedy" players. Yeah well if the players fight for the ~50% of players in MLB that are making league minimum, then they can shed their greedy label. But the only players they fight for are the Machado/Mookie/Harper/Trout types while ignoring everyone else including minor league players.
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