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Post by Smittyw on May 3, 2019 6:22:51 GMT -5
So where's the petition to make the "Beer Mongers" name change permanent?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 3, 2019 6:31:15 GMT -5
So where's the petition to make the "Beer Mongers" name change permanent? Every Thursday all summer long
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2019 6:35:04 GMT -5
I don't get it. It's supposed to nod to the growing craft beer industry in the Roanoke valley. Big craft beer guy here and I'm completely unaware of any such thing. Seems like it's really more a nod to the growing craft beer fad in general, and I'd have preferred they do something locally focused at least for the money grab alternate logo (e.g., Portland becoming the Whoopie Pies for games this year).
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 6:56:23 GMT -5
Tip of the hat to the announcer who called them the Beer Mongers the entire game that I heard. That can't be easy, kind of like Eck not using cheese.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 6:59:50 GMT -5
Also it seems like this year, they are doing far more than they have in past years. Salem has always been our worst franchise for fan interest. Greenville and Portland are amazingly good, particularly impressive is Greenville when you consider that they are low A and out of New England.
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Post by James Dunne on May 3, 2019 7:44:09 GMT -5
Credit to the Hillsboro Hops, who got on that bandwagon in 2013 and have sold roughly a bazillion hats.
Salemn should probably use a more locally-focused food gimmick, but also a more locally-focused team name in general. Not a big fan of minor league teams using the major league teams when it isn't a legacy name. "Pawtucket Red Sox" is cool because it's been around for so long. Or Pulaski, which has been taking the team of its MLB affiliate for so long (and switched so frequently) that I feel like that's almost a running gag.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 8:19:13 GMT -5
They should be focused on family events not beer.
Salem's big mistake was letting Evan Lepler go become a frisbee announcer (seriously). They should have made him GM. Eric Jarinko at Greenville does a bang up job promoting the team. It can be done.
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Post by James Dunne on May 3, 2019 8:30:26 GMT -5
Lepler's background was in announcing, so I don't know that he'd have wanted that path. He does a lot of college basketball on ESPN now, so he's been climbing the ladder - and he's said in interviews his passion was basketball (his dream was to be the Celtics announcer one day). He was also apparently the captain of Ultimate Frisbee team at Wake Forest.
I feel like Greenville is such a tough comparison, because it's such a rapidly growing area with a good park location.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 8:37:58 GMT -5
I believe Jarinko's background is communications.
Let's look at beer. According to the Brewers Association, beer volume was down 1% last year. Craft beers grew by 4% but they still only have 13% of the market. Summing it up, the average baseball fan doesn't give a craft about craft beer. It's not what they should be promoting.
Greenville does a lot of promotions on the side. Players going to a MacDonalds to interact with the kids. College promotions, family nights. Listen to the crowds during the games, there's a huge difference. Salem's management is poor at best.
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Post by James Dunne on May 3, 2019 9:12:40 GMT -5
I believe Jarinko's background is communications. Let's look at beer. According to the Brewers Association, beer volume was down 1% last year. Craft beers grew by 4% but they still only have 13% of the market. Summing it up, the average baseball fan doesn't give a craft about craft beer. It's not what they should be promoting. Greenville does a lot of promotions on the side. Players going to a MacDonalds to interact with the kids. College promotions, family nights. Listen to the crowds during the games, there's a huge difference. Salem's management is poor at best. I do agree with you on the family aspect. I mentioned the Hops earlier, and while the hops plant is obviously associated with beer, it's also a crop and a major industry of its own in Oregon. You can throw your kid in a Hops onesie and not feel weird about it. I think it's a really good nickname the threads the needle where adults and kids both enjoy it. In Syracuse, they've done the food promotion as the "Salt Potatoes" a couple times, a local fare where potatoes are... boiled in salt. They usually have a lot of butter on them. They're good, you'll just have to believe me. We got shirts for the kids, because: Amazing, right? Maybe a little over-the-top as an all the time team name, but for a weekend to move some merchandise it's a good sell. That said, speaking as someone who will happily enjoy a craft beer, I don't think I'm sending my five-year-old daughter to kindergarten in a "Beer Mongers" shirt, even in a hypothetical universe where she let me dress her.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2019 9:59:22 GMT -5
I believe Jarinko's background is communications. Let's look at beer. According to the Brewers Association, beer volume was down 1% last year. Craft beers grew by 4% but they still only have 13% of the market. Summing it up, the average baseball fan doesn't give a craft about craft beer. It's not what they should be promoting. Greenville does a lot of promotions on the side. Players going to a MacDonalds to interact with the kids. College promotions, family nights. Listen to the crowds during the games, there's a huge difference. Salem's management is poor at best. Ray, the craft beer scene is a big deal in the U.S.,especially with particular demographics that I'm sure milb teams are marketing to. The stats can also be misleading because ABInBev and MillerCoors purchased a bunch of craft brewers as the scene started to really pick up steam, so a bunch of the good ones don't count as "craft" anymore even though most people who buy those breweries' wares probably don't even know. Like, at a game, they'll have a "craft beer" stand that has brands like Blue Point, Devil's Backbone, Wicked Weed, Elysian, Goose Island and others, but they're all owned by ABInBev.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 10:05:58 GMT -5
I've always been partial to the Modesto Nuts. Maybe because I happened to be doing a project in Modesto when they took a vote in the local newspaper (lol, the Modesto Bee). Modesto considers itself to be the almond and walnut capitol of the world with huge nut tree farms and processing plants. The second place vote was the Modesto Almonds which would have been a disaster since they pronounce the word almond differently than most people (it's said like most people say salmon except without the s in front and add a d at the end. As an aside, I was renting a farm house in an almond grove. The bee hives were interesting as well as the tree shakers when they harvest.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 10:09:22 GMT -5
I believe Jarinko's background is communications. Let's look at beer. According to the Brewers Association, beer volume was down 1% last year. Craft beers grew by 4% but they still only have 13% of the market. Summing it up, the average baseball fan doesn't give a craft about craft beer. It's not what they should be promoting. Greenville does a lot of promotions on the side. Players going to a MacDonalds to interact with the kids. College promotions, family nights. Listen to the crowds during the games, there's a huge difference. Salem's management is poor at best. Ray, the craft beer scene is a big deal in the U.S.,especially with particular demographics that I'm sure milb teams are marketing to. The stats can also be misleading because ABInBev and MillerCoors purchased a bunch of craft brewers as the scene started to really pick up steam, so a bunch of the good ones don't count as "craft" anymore even though most people who buy those breweries' wares probably don't even know. Like, at a game, they'll have a "craft beer" stand that has brands like Blue Point, Devil's Backbone, Wicked Weed, Elysian, Goose Island and others, but they're all owned by ABInBev. 13 percent is 13 percent and that's of a declining industry. Sorry but we're going to have to scratch you off the GM list. It's the wrong product to push market your team on. It's fine if they want to sell it at the concession stands. Lets have cocaine night.
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Post by soxcentral on May 3, 2019 10:34:45 GMT -5
Strange reference. Beer has been part of going to a ballgame for, like, the entire history of the sport. Never seen a vendor offer drugs at a game.
Also will chime in that our area of Central MA has multiple craft breweries that are huge destinations now, but were unheard of as recently as 10 years ago. Seems like a growing industry at least in Mass.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 10:54:29 GMT -5
Strange reference. Beer has been part of going to a ballgame for, like, the entire history of the sport. Never seen a vendor offer drugs at a game. Also will chime in that our area of Central MA has multiple craft breweries that are huge destinations now, but were unheard of as recently as 10 years ago. Seems like a growing industry at least in Mass. I don't doubt that it's a growing industry but still small. More important though is that it's still beer. Is there a difference between someone with a drinking problem that drinks craft beer compared to someone that has a drinking problem that drinks Budweezer ? It hasn't been all that long since MLB banned tobacco and alcohol advertising in the MLB. MilB should do the same and they certainly shouldn't be sponsoring beer night. I'm sorry but it's just not the right message to send to families no matter how cool you think it is to drink craft beer.
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Post by James Dunne on May 3, 2019 12:32:10 GMT -5
I'm kind of with Ray on this one: there's a fine line between promoting their regional craft selections with different promotions or maybe a specific stand (something which milb seems to do a very good job of generally), and making it their team's identity.
As a one-night thing, whatever - I certainly had fun sticking in references in this morning's Cup of Coffee, so I can roll with it. But as their every Thursday identity, I think it's not necessarily the right message and it's also not localized in a way that makes it particularly interesting or fun to me. Like if there was a team still in Utica and they played as "Utica Club," I would be down for that in a heartbeat. Plus, the statistical chances are there's at least one alcoholic in the dugout (whether current or recovering), which also isn't really great. The thought of the next Dennis Eckersley or Josh Hamilton in a Beer Mongers jersey every week is a little uncomfortable.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 3, 2019 13:05:07 GMT -5
Strange reference. Beer has been part of going to a ballgame for, like, the entire history of the sport. Never seen a vendor offer drugs at a game. Also will chime in that our area of Central MA has multiple craft breweries that are huge destinations now, but were unheard of as recently as 10 years ago. Seems like a growing industry at least in Mass. I don't doubt that it's a growing industry but still small. More important though is that it's still beer. Is there a difference between someone with a drinking problem that drinks craft beer compared to someone that has a drinking problem that drinks Budweezer ? It hasn't been all that long since MLB banned tobacco and alcohol advertising in the MLB. MilB should do the same and they certainly shouldn't be sponsoring beer night. I'm sorry but it's just not the right message to send to families no matter how cool you think it is to drink craft beer. Question: You've been praising (appropriately, I might add) the Greenville operation. What do you think of the fact that they have an ongoing dollar beer night promotion? Honest question that I'm interested in. I actually don't have any issue with what I'll refer to as your "moral argument" against the name, if I can oversimplify it.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on May 3, 2019 15:22:43 GMT -5
I've always been partial to the Modesto Nuts. Maybe because I happened to be doing a project in Modesto when they took a vote in the local newspaper (lol, the Modesto Bee). Modesto considers itself to be the almond and walnut capitol of the world with huge nut tree farms and processing plants. The second place vote was the Modesto Almonds which would have been a disaster since they pronounce the word almond differently than most people (it's said like most people say salmon except without the s in front and add a d at the end. As an aside, I was renting a farm house in an almond grove. The bee hives were interesting as well as the tree shakers when they harvest. As someone who grew up in Modesto for 13 years, I did not think the Modesto Nuts and the debate over the pronunciation of almond would ever make its way onto a Red Sox prospects forum.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 15:43:28 GMT -5
I don't doubt that it's a growing industry but still small. More important though is that it's still beer. Is there a difference between someone with a drinking problem that drinks craft beer compared to someone that has a drinking problem that drinks Budweezer ? It hasn't been all that long since MLB banned tobacco and alcohol advertising in the MLB. MilB should do the same and they certainly shouldn't be sponsoring beer night. I'm sorry but it's just not the right message to send to families no matter how cool you think it is to drink craft beer. Question: You've been praising (appropriately, I might add) the Greenville operation. What do you think of the fact that they have an ongoing dollar beer night promotion? Honest question that I'm interested in. I actually don't have any issue with what I'll refer to as your "moral argument" against the name, if I can oversimplify it. I don't mind if they sell beer, I'm not a prohibitionist but, there's a difference between selling beer and using a name like "Beer Mongers" which immediately throws out a picture of some lard butt pounding down a 12 pack. There's nothing cool about that and it's the wrong message to send out to anybody let alone families. Craft beer or Genesee, people that can't do anything without a beer or two are drunks. You can use whatever semantics you want, I chose drunks and no, it isn't cool.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 15:57:05 GMT -5
I've always been partial to the Modesto Nuts. Maybe because I happened to be doing a project in Modesto when they took a vote in the local newspaper (lol, the Modesto Bee). Modesto considers itself to be the almond and walnut capitol of the world with huge nut tree farms and processing plants. The second place vote was the Modesto Almonds which would have been a disaster since they pronounce the word almond differently than most people (it's said like most people say salmon except without the s in front and add a d at the end. As an aside, I was renting a farm house in an almond grove. The bee hives were interesting as well as the tree shakers when they harvest. As someone who grew up in Modesto for 13 years, I did not think the Modesto Nuts and the debate over the pronunciation of almond would ever make its way onto a Red Sox prospects forum. lol, me and the owner of the almond grove would go round and round on that but all in fun, particularly when the salmon would run up the river. We lived on a rise above the riverbed with a large alfalfa field between the farmhouse and the river. I don't remember the road name but the one with the microwave tower. Modesto was a very pleasant place to live. The only downside was about a week when they spread the chicken sh*t.
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Post by Mike Andrews on May 3, 2019 16:51:45 GMT -5
Milwaukee Brewers
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 3, 2019 16:59:45 GMT -5
Cleveland Indians, Atlanta Braves. What's your point ?
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Post by iakovos11 on May 3, 2019 18:29:48 GMT -5
Question: You've been praising (appropriately, I might add) the Greenville operation. What do you think of the fact that they have an ongoing dollar beer night promotion? Honest question that I'm interested in. I actually don't have any issue with what I'll refer to as your "moral argument" against the name, if I can oversimplify it. I don't mind if they sell beer, I'm not a prohibitionist but, there's a difference between selling beer and using a name like "Beer Mongers" which immediately throws out a picture of some lard butt pounding down a 12 pack. There's nothing cool about that and it's the wrong message to send out to anybody let alone families. Craft beer or Genesee, people that can't do anything without a beer or two are drunks. You can use whatever semantics you want, I chose drunks and no, it isn't cool. I think the more important question/point Chris was asking/making is that Greenville is not just selling beer, but they are promoting $1 beer night. If that doesn't scream lard butts pounding beers, I'm not sure what does.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 4, 2019 7:26:42 GMT -5
I don't mind if they sell beer, I'm not a prohibitionist but, there's a difference between selling beer and using a name like "Beer Mongers" which immediately throws out a picture of some lard butt pounding down a 12 pack. There's nothing cool about that and it's the wrong message to send out to anybody let alone families. Craft beer or Genesee, people that can't do anything without a beer or two are drunks. You can use whatever semantics you want, I chose drunks and no, it isn't cool. I think the more important question/point Chris was asking/making is that Greenville is not just selling beer, but they are promoting $1 beer night. If that doesn't scream lard butts pounding beers, I'm not sure what does. I answered that. "there's a difference between selling beer and using a name like "Beer Mongers" ". Selling dollar beers isn't aimed at families. Calling yourself the Beer Mongers is. Look, we all have different approaches on how we raise our families. My approach, I would not go to a game on Beer Mongers night and I certainly hope that when my children are older, they can have a good life without the need to pound down a few. Once in a while is fine, I wouldn't have a problem with that but lets be honest here, people that are into beer aren't likely to be occasional drinkers. Would 90% be a fair estimate ? Look around, we all know several, they're drunks with a lame excuse that they think they are being cool. Is that what you would want for your family ? It's the wrong message for a family sport.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 4, 2019 9:13:00 GMT -5
I'm confused why you think "Beer Monger" means lard butts pounding beers though. "Monger" just means maker or dealer. It's another name for person who brews beer. So being a bit less flippant about it, would you refuse to go to a Milwaukee Brewers game? Found this interesting: ourworldindata.org/alcohol-consumption. Beer and alcohol consumption is much lower in the Philippines than in the U.S. Perhaps could account for some of the differing attitudes towards drinking here.
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