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Cora, Dombrowski, and Pedroia Addressing the Media
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 28, 2019 10:57:54 GMT -5
And I don't think anybody is angry at Pedroia for drawing a paycheck. Here's a sample I got from typing "Dustin Pedroia" into the twitter search: Dude has 29,000 twitter followers and is out here calling Pedroia a disgrace! (extra points for having a Free Kirk profile picture, this is like Bingo for trash Boston sports coverage) There are a lot of morons unfortunately, but certainly the tone on this board re: Pedroia isn't anything like that. I'd be surprised if anybody here doesn't wish the best for Pedroia or doesn't admire/respect all Pedroia has meant to the Red Sox. Unfortunately, we live in an age where a loud minority of idiots spew their poison, and they get all the attention while the silent majority is ignored. I mean, check out the WEEI comments section, once in awhile. It's enough to make you sick. Some of the most moronic, mean spirited, bigoted, disgusting things get said on that site - but I'd have trouble believing that the majority actually think that way or that the population is that big. It's always the vocal minority these days that gets the most attention unfortunately. I have to believe that the silent majority does not think these kinds of things regarding Pedroia. Likewise, I'm sure there were some moronic Boston fans who gave Bill Buckner a lot of grief, but I think the majority was smart enough to realize what the circumstances truly were, but because there were some moronic fans, the media ran with "Boston fans chase Buckner to Iowa."
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Post by awall on May 28, 2019 11:26:13 GMT -5
When my soon-to-be 10 year old son played his first year of tee-ball, we got him the baseball card option when it was time to do the annual photo package. When filling out the info, it asked for a position. There was no hesitation when I asked what position to put on his card, it was 2nd base, because that's where his hero played at the time. I don't think there's another comeback in his knees. I think he has given everything his body will let him give to playing the game of baseball. My heart aches for him having to go through this and it's going to be hard to tell my boy that Pedey is done (assuming that will be the eventuality). Unfortunately, the loud-mouthed jerk fans who have always existed now have readily available platform to spew their filth, but I don't think the vast majority of fans begrudge Pedroia anything.
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Post by carmenfanzone on May 28, 2019 11:37:27 GMT -5
I also seem to remember that the contract Pedroia signed, which a few jerks are complaining about since he is still getting paid while hurt, was at the time he signed it thought to be very team friendly. As I recall, in addition to not being for as much as most people thought he would get for that contract, the yearly amount decreases over the last few years of the contract, presumably to account for the fact he would not be as good a player in the last few years of the contract as he was in the first few years. How rare is that?
Pedroia has been a great Red Sox and I am sorry his injury is going to take a few years off of his career. I very much enjoyed watching him play.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on May 28, 2019 11:52:30 GMT -5
Prince Fielder and David Wright still count towards the Rangers' and Mets' CBT calculations, respectively.
My guess on Dempster is that it's simply from the prior CBT. I'm checking on that though. He did go on the restricted list, which is why he didn't get paid or count against the CBT (and for example, Wright isn't counting against the CBT right now for the same reason). Dempster did mention at the time he had a neck issue. Also, he retired with the Cubs at the end of that season, when his Red Sox contract had ended.
I can't imagine it has to do with the injury thing, at least as far as the CBT goes, which is all I am referring to.
I also don't get why Fielder doesn't count against Detroit (who is paying 6 of the 15 million), but my guess is that might also just be a grandfathered thing.
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Post by cotuitfan on May 28, 2019 11:53:00 GMT -5
Couldn't agree more. I remember asking two players from U of Arizona what they thought of him when he signed in 2004 - they both gushed that the Red Sox got an absolute steal. That he was the most annoying pest to play against in the PAC-12, but the best gamer they'd ever seen ... the guy's been trying to play through pain and for these twitter trolls and cowards to call him out is too much. Love this MLB scouting profile from when he was picked ... 65th, of course. Also shows that greatness can be found when you lose a first round pick.
COMMENT: PHYSICALLY MAXED OUT. SMALL, SCRAPPY FRAME W/ AVG STRENGTH FOR SIZE. SIMILAR TO DAVID ECKSTEIN. EVEN STANCE W/ FLEXED KNEES. SMALL LOAD & WEIGHT SHIFT. STEPS IN BUCKET. AVG BAT SPEED, EVEN PLANE BAT CONTROL W/ CONSISTENT CONTACT. HITS WHERE PITCHED. LOTS OF DOUBLES TO GAPS. INSTINCTIVE DEFENDER W/ SOFT HANDS, WORKS GROUND-UP, BALL DISAPPEARS. PLAYS WELL ABOVE TOOLS. HEADSY BASEBALL RAT W/ PLUS INSTINCTS. KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. GUY YOU WANT ON YOUR TEAM. DOES WHAT IT TAKES TO WIN.
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Post by chrisfromnc on May 28, 2019 12:00:49 GMT -5
Eight years ago, I named my cat after Dustin Pedroia. That's how much I thought and still think of him.
He earned a ROY, an MVP, and was a major contributor to two championships. He specifically chose not to max out his earnings and signed a team friendly deal. If you don't appreciate that kind of a player, even when he is in his decline, you're a much different fan than me.
When Jason Varitek was declining, and that was kinda bad, I hated it when posters here called him, "corpse". Nobody leaves this game at their peak. It just doesn't happen that way.
Thank you for being a hell of a baseball player, Pedey.
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Post by James Dunne on May 28, 2019 12:01:29 GMT -5
Prince Fielder and David Wright still count towards the Rangers' and Mets' CBT calculations, respectively. My guess on Dempster is that it's simply from the prior CBT. I'm checking on that though. I also don't get why Fielder doesn't count against Detroit (who is paying 6 of the 15 million), but my guess is that might also just be a grandfathered thing. I can't imagine it has to do with the injury thing, at least as far as the CBT goes, which is all I am referring to. blogs.fangraphs.com/mlb-teams-with-the-most-dead-money-in-2019/According to this article, the Tigers were still on the hook for the $6M against the CBT for the Fielder money. With Dempster, as I recall, when he wanted to not play he agreed to not report to spring training. When he did not report within 10 days of mandatory reporting, he was technically in breach of contract, which allowed the Red Sox to put him on the restricted list: www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Restricted_list
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Post by Oregon Norm on May 28, 2019 12:33:27 GMT -5
Here's the deal with the trolls, and the a$$holes who populate Twitter and all the other internet channels that have subverted the MSM. When was the last time that anyone with a mindless opinion and at least one working finger could have their thoughts go global? That has never happened before.
The $h!t that gets thrown around is the equivalent of the backfence back-biting and rumor mongering that's likely been with us since we climbed down out of the trees. The difference is that that backfence is now wired for planetary broadcast.
Your approach shouldn't change. Ignore the noise and build your own picture of the world and its inhabitants. Relying on bitter, uninformed hacks to do your thinking for you is a losers game. They don't deserve the time of day, let alone a serious reading.
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Post by patford on May 28, 2019 12:40:57 GMT -5
Prince Fielder and David Wright still count towards the Rangers' and Mets' CBT calculations, respectively. My guess on Dempster is that it's simply from the prior CBT. I'm checking on that though. I also don't get why Fielder doesn't count against Detroit (who is paying 6 of the 15 million), but my guess is that might also just be a grandfathered thing. I can't imagine it has to do with the injury thing, at least as far as the CBT goes, which is all I am referring to. blogs.fangraphs.com/mlb-teams-with-the-most-dead-money-in-2019/According to this article, the Tigers were still on the hook for the $6M against the CBT for the Fielder money. With Dempster, as I recall, when he wanted to not play he agreed to not report to spring training. When he did not report within 10 days of mandatory reporting, he was technically in breach of contract, which allowed the Red Sox to put him on the restricted list: www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Restricted_listAnd that wouldn't work with the Sox and Pedroia ? Is it because the rules have changed ? What I mean is if Pedroia decides he can't play anymore (and various reports say he has pain just walking) then why couldn't he just not report for Spring Training. The Sox put him on the restricted list and then sign him to some kind of deal where he gets compensated. I'm 100% in with him getting every dollar and even more as he gave it all for the team and in doing so shortened his career and very likely caused himself permanent harm that he will have to live with just walking around. As we know Dempster did have an injury and there was the donation to his charity. So why couldn't the Sox and Pedroia work out some kind of deal ? What if they outright him ? No team would claim him and so he would clear waivers and be assigned to a minor league affiliate. How would he be different from Castillo in that circumstance. His salary is paid but does not count against the cap unless he is with the ML club .
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 28, 2019 12:58:22 GMT -5
Eight years ago, I named my cat after Dustin Pedroia. That's how much I thought and still think of him. He earned a ROY, an MVP, and was a major contributor to two championships. He specifically chose not to max out his earnings and signed a team friendly deal. If you don't appreciate that kind of a player, even when he is in his decline, you're a much different fan than me. When Jason Varitek was declining, and that was kinda bad, I hated it when posters here called him, "corpse". Nobody leaves this game at their peak. It just doesn't happen that way. Thank you for being a hell of a baseball player, Pedey. Except for Big Papi who visited the fountain of youth in 2016, but your point stands.
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Post by gerry on May 31, 2019 12:48:39 GMT -5
When I was a kid hanging around Fenway, baseball’s historic cathedral, two of my favorite players were Ted Williams and Jimmy Piersall. Both were daily victims of the foulest vitriol from the same type of fan now insulting Pedey. This type of unfathomable behavior made me (and most fans) fighting angry. And yes there were fights, sometimes more fun than the games. Today it is just disappointing that the spiritual and maybe genetic grand children of those unevolved massholes are still so deliberately ignorant and cruel. I guess the age of Aquarius was more goal than reality, even in a game.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 31, 2019 13:08:14 GMT -5
When I was a kid hanging around Fenway, baseball’s historic cathedral, two of my favorite players were Ted Williams and Jimmy Piersall. Both were daily victims of the foulest vitriol from the same type of fan now insulting Pedey. This type of unfathomable behavior made me (and most fans) fighting angry. And yes there were fights, sometimes more fun than the games. Today it is just disappointing that the spiritual and maybe genetic grand children of those unevolved massholes are still so deliberately ignorant and cruel. I guess the age of Aquarius was more goal than reality, even in a game. Gerry. Thanks again for the time period post. Sounds bad....and good at the same time....if that is possible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 31, 2019 22:16:25 GMT -5
When I was a kid hanging around Fenway, baseball’s historic cathedral, two of my favorite players were Ted Williams and Jimmy Piersall. Both were daily victims of the foulest vitriol from the same type of fan now insulting Pedey. This type of unfathomable behavior made me (and most fans) fighting angry. And yes there were fights, sometimes more fun than the games. Today it is just disappointing that the spiritual and maybe genetic grand children of those unevolved massholes are still so deliberately ignorant and cruel. I guess the age of Aquarius was more goal than reality, even in a game. I had a bit of the opposite at both Fenway and Braves Stadium. We always sat in the right field bleachers (blue collar family) and I don't recall a single near fight. For me, my experiences at Dodger Stadium and Angels stadium were far worse as far as crowds go. Exact opposite for Coors Field where you're likely to exit with a new BFF or two. Haven't been to either Yankee or Philly ballparks.
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Post by gerry on Jun 5, 2019 13:47:54 GMT -5
When I was a kid hanging around Fenway, baseball’s historic cathedral, two of my favorite players were Ted Williams and Jimmy Piersall. Both were daily victims of the foulest vitriol from the same type of fan now insulting Pedey. This type of unfathomable behavior made me (and most fans) fighting angry. And yes there were fights, sometimes more fun than the games. Today it is just disappointing that the spiritual and maybe genetic grand children of those unevolved massholes are still so deliberately ignorant and cruel. I guess the age of Aquarius was more goal than reality, even in a game. I had a bit of the opposite at both Fenway and Braves Stadium. We always sat in the right field bleachers (blue collar family) and I don't recall a single near fight. For me, my experiences at Dodger Stadium and Angels stadium were far worse as far as crowds go. Exact opposite for Coors Field where you're likely to exit with a new BFF or two. Haven't been to either Yankee or Philly ballparks. Agree that Dodger Stadium can be tough. I go to the Big A fairly often for Sox games and nearly half the seats are still full of friendly Sox fans, though much fewer than 20 - 30 years ago when Sox fans dominated. I find it mellow and fun No matter where you sit, Seattle is another BFF place, with over the top food, beer snd wine. Likewise San Diego and SFO, though Oakland can be a bit hostile, and almost as noisy as the Trop with the ersatz band/drum line in the RF bleachers. Do NOT sit there or even near there if you get to a game.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 5, 2019 22:13:49 GMT -5
I had a bit of the opposite at both Fenway and Braves Stadium. We always sat in the right field bleachers (blue collar family) and I don't recall a single near fight. For me, my experiences at Dodger Stadium and Angels stadium were far worse as far as crowds go. Exact opposite for Coors Field where you're likely to exit with a new BFF or two. Haven't been to either Yankee or Philly ballparks. Agree that Dodger Stadium can be tough. I go to the Big A fairly often for Sox games and nearly half the seats are still full of friendly Sox fans, though much fewer than 20 - 30 years ago when Sox fans dominated. I find it mellow and fun No matter where you sit, Seattle is another BFF place, with over the top food, beer snd wine. Likewise San Diego and SFO, though Oakland can be a bit hostile, and almost as noisy as the Trop with the ersatz band/drum line in the RF bleachers. Do NOT sit there or even near there if you get to a game. Agree about San Fran and the park is very nice. Agree on Oakland but that's a total dump site in a relatively dumpy city. I haven't been to the new facilities in San Diego, the old one was boring.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 5, 2019 23:38:52 GMT -5
Oakland has picked itself up. It's starting to see the same sort of price pressure in the housing market as the rest of the bay area. People want to live there. It's likely not the place that you remember.
The region has seen a significant drop in the level of gun violence, just about the largest in the country. It's not perfect by any means and Oakland has had to invest a lot of time and money to bring it down, but it's much better than it was. Long time residents are worried about affordability and losing the town they knew, but they acknowledge the progress.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 6, 2019 0:58:50 GMT -5
Good to hear, I long thought Oakland was one of the worst cities in America in sharp contrast to neighbor San Francisco. By the way, your state, Portland is one of my favorite cities in the country. Loved their Food Festival. Haha plus in college, I dated what turned out to be one of the most influential ladies in the state and she lives in Portland.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jun 15, 2019 20:08:51 GMT -5
More price pressure. My boy moved out of there even though he and his partner were making good money. She grew up in Portland and he'd moved there in 2007 to go to college. Many fond memories (Example: a Christmas eve celebration by an entire squadron of drunken Santa's marching down the street singing their beards off) but he watched the town change. They lived in constant fear of losing their tiny $1200/month basement flat located in another of the ever-growing list of desirable neighborhoods. That's really the key to the city. It's a fabulous collection of enclaves that each have their own look and feel. But it's come at a serious cost. There's nothing I'd like better than to be able to go back to the Williams Avenue 60 years ago for a listen, but the place got a freeway run through part of it before the town stopped that stuff, and the beautiful old homes were fodder for gentrification. The skyrocketing housing and rental prices finally led Oregon to enact the first state-wide rent control bill. They were very careful to make it flexible, but unintended consequences being what they are we'll have to see what happens. The legislature simply felt they couldn't let those prices get away from the people who actually do the real work of keeping a city going.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 15, 2019 21:15:15 GMT -5
That's a shame because it is (was ?) a fantastic place to visit. The population was more like country folk than city folk, the food festival, rose garden, Japanese garden, Mel's Diner (I think that's where it was), the bird sanctuary outside of town with a bazillion turtles and of course Mt. Hood. Lot's of good memories visiting there.
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