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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 4, 2019 7:21:36 GMT -5
Tried to call into this and hit technical issues apparently. Not thrilled given the time of night and that it cost me another 20 minutes or so when I could've been recording with Ian. Oh well. We'll just have to have Rikard on the show directly then sometime soon!
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Post by nomar on Jun 4, 2019 7:31:29 GMT -5
The way Cannon is being described reminds me of how Kolbrin Vitek was talked about, and Yelich was picked three picks later Eh, I don't know if that's fair. Cameron makes considerably more contact. A 9.4 K% in the PAC12 is way more impressive than Vitek's 13.4% in the MAC. Rickard noted that they like Cannon's swing path. Vitek's swing path was really level and they tried (unsuccessfully) to get him to lift the ball more before his collapse in AA.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2019 7:31:36 GMT -5
Looking at the some of the high ranked prospects who slipped past day 1, who is likely unsignable at this point and who is still a possibility? Allan and Leiter are probably out, but what about Hampton and Callihan?
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Post by artfuldodger on Jun 4, 2019 7:46:32 GMT -5
With Beltran an influential voice with the Yankees, I wonder what their take on Lugo is.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2019 7:55:47 GMT -5
Interesting pick. Hope he turns out better than the last Red Sox SS named Lugo. haha! World Series winner Lugo? Funny. Don't remember anybody referring to Julio Lugo as "World Series winner" Lugo? Though, to be honest, he was good in the 2nd half of 2007 and the post-season, but pretty bad/disappointing during the rest of his contract. I'm glad the Sox drafted Matthew Lugo. He immediately becomes one of the most intriguing prospects the Red Sox have and the cool thing is they can let him develop naturally. No real time clock on his development with Bogaerts and Flores ahead of him on the depth chart.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 4, 2019 8:04:04 GMT -5
I want to be disappointed they didn’t draft a high upside arm with the cannon pick but even if one were available this organization seems to suck at developing them so what’s really the point in that spot? From what I read/listened to, there wasn't a ton of high upside arms in the draft altogether. I think it was Keith Law who said that it was one of the worst drafts for pitching he's seen in awhile and that there was nobody with ace potential. I'm going by memory here so I could be mistaken. I don't think there are any top to mid rotation starters for the Red Sox to draft. I think there are a lot of back-end starters/bullpen arms they can choose from. So it's doubtful the Sox get the next Jon Lester (or even Buchholz) out of this draft.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 4, 2019 8:25:25 GMT -5
He's got 12 year old boy hips. So skinny.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2019 8:25:32 GMT -5
World Series winner Lugo? Funny. Don't remember anybody referring to Julio Lugo as "World Series winner" Lugo? Though, to be honest, he was good in the 2nd half of 2007 and the post-season, but pretty bad/disappointing during the rest of his contract. He was among the team leaders in Offensive Win Probability in the second half of the season (maybe the leader; not worth looking the numbers up again) and then played the hell out of SS in the post-season.
The irony is that he then had three years left on his deal, and that winter they re-signed Mike Lowell to a 3/$37.5 contract that yielded 2.3 bWAR, when they could have gotten a pick from the Philliees. That was $1.5M more than the total value of Lugo's deal.
$36M for no WAR but a key contribution to a WS championship. $37.5M and a draft pick for 2.3 bWAR.
The former is a famous Theo disaster and the latter was ...a nice gesture to a fan favorite.
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Post by nomar on Jun 4, 2019 8:47:44 GMT -5
He's got 12 year old boy hips. So skinny. His shoulders look normal though. Should add strength fairly easily
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 4, 2019 9:00:58 GMT -5
Second Round (No. 69 Overall): Matthew Lugo, SS, Carlos Beltran Baseball Academy (PR)
MLB.com graded all five tools 50 or better for Lugo, including a 55-grade hit tool. He has shown some intriguing raw power to go along with an extremely advanced approach for an 18-year-old. While his defense is average at best, he's a good enough athlete to make the necessary improvements to stick at shortstop. Otherwise, he has enough offensive upside to fit at second base or third base as well.
Grade: A
After going low-upside with the first pick, the Red Sox grabbed one of the more intriguing prep shortstops in the class with their second selection. He'll immediately become one of the better position-player prospects in the farm system.
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Post by James Dunne on Jun 4, 2019 9:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 4, 2019 10:08:33 GMT -5
Seems like he has a good head on on his shoulders, 4.0 gpa.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 4, 2019 11:12:24 GMT -5
Final thoughts on Day 1: Love it....one high floor and one upside pick. I know, I know....lets not compare ourselves to the Yanks...but actually lets do that. I know they had an additional pick (Sikkema at #38), but if you take their first and second rounders, Anthony Volpe, HS SS, and Josh Smith, LSU 2B....I actually have a preference for our Lugo/Cannon SS/2B combo although its close. Still they took those guys at #30 and #67 and we were able to get ours at #43 and #69. Excellent stuff on Day 1....it will be interesting to see how the bonuses play out.
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Post by oldhondo on Jun 4, 2019 11:18:23 GMT -5
Please refresh my memory. Who was that? Reymond Fuentes, 1st round pick in 2009. One important difference that makes this different in terms of fulfilling the promise of Beltran genes. Lugo is a SS who is going to benefit from an organizational environment where he will likely receive mentoring from former Puerto Ricah SS Cora.
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Post by steveofbradenton on Jun 4, 2019 11:23:40 GMT -5
Seems like he has a good head on on his shoulders, 4.0 gpa.
I was already very high on this kid Lugo, and then after listening to him, I'm even more excited about how easy he should assimilate and keep improving with our organization coaching. I so far am pleased and impressed with how we have drafted, even with picking so low. I'm also hoping to see young Lugo in the GCL!!
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Post by radiohix on Jun 4, 2019 11:27:52 GMT -5
Seems like he has a good head on on his shoulders, 4.0 gpa.
I was already very high on this kid Lugo, and then after listening to him, I'm even more excited about how easy he should assimilate and keep improving with our organization coaching. I so far am pleased and impressed with how we have drafted, even with picking so low. I'm also hoping to see young Lugo in the GCL!! You owe us your annual scouting report Steve
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Post by drrigormortis on Jun 4, 2019 15:49:38 GMT -5
Regarding Cameron Cannon. Having seen most of his college games at Arizona, it should be kept in mind that Cannon's power numbers, as those of most University of Arizona hitters, are a bit misleading. The program plays in one of the most cavernous ballparks in D1 college baseball. Hi Corbett Field is the former spring training facility of the Colorado Rockies with 366 ft/410 ft left, center-left and 349 ft/405 ft right, center-right dimensions, respectively.
Arizona played 33 of their 56 games at home. Due to the size of the field, hitting gaps at Hi Corbett has been proven to be a more efficient strategy than attempts to knock it over the fence at all costs. Many fly balls simply die in the outfield. Cannon hit most of his D1-baseball-leading 29 doubles at Hi Corbett for that exact reason.
As a hitter, Cannon has improved considerably over the course of his three college seasons. He shows good plate discipline and, as has been mentioned here previously, doesn't strike out a lot. Slashing .397/.478/.651 overall and .364/.450/.602 against Pac-12 opponents in an elite college baseball conference isn't too shabby. What stood out most to me was Cannon's consistency. He rarely had any sort of slump and delivered a ton of clutch hits during his sophomore and junior seasons.
In regard to Cannon's ceiling as a hitter, I think that his HR numbers will increase in more regular-sized ballparks, where he doesn't have to prioritize gap hits. He's got good power already and could sacrifice some of his low SO rate in exchange for more long balls.
Defensively, Cannon spent most of his time at 2B. Decent defender with a good arm. When Arizona lost their SS for most of the 2019 season, Cannon had to take over the position, with rather disappointing results (led the team in errors). And it wasn't even his fault. The current coaching situation at Arizona is a bit of a dumpster fire. Past two seasons' pitching staffs have been historically bad and this year the Wildcats had the worst fielding percentage among all Pac-12 teams. Cannon got thrown into a terrible situation at the wrong time.
On the positive side, Cannon is a high character guy and very coachable. I was a bit suprised myself, seeing him drafted that early (was expecting a third round pick). But only because he always kind of flew under the radar throughout his college career. Arizona Baseball had decided to feature 3B Nick Quintana, whom the Red Sox had drafted in the 11th round (328th) in 2016, as the team's "star" player. I always insisted that Cannon has been Arizona's top guy over the past two seasons. And he rightfully became the program's highest-drafted player of this year's class, four spots ahead of Quintana.
Boston is getting an excellent prospect. Cannon's development has been very interesting to watch. His story reminds one of Scott Kingery, another former Arizona Wildcat. Scotty came out of nowhere, joined the team as a walk-on and eventually got drafted in the second round (48th). In 2016 Perfect Game had Cannon ranked as the 376th best recruit and 66th best infielder out of high school. Taking his development up to now as well as his exemplary work ethic into consideration, I'm fairly optimistic that he's got what it takes to become a contributor on the big stage.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jun 4, 2019 16:03:52 GMT -5
Pretty high quality post for a new guy drrigor!
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 4, 2019 19:36:02 GMT -5
Pretty high quality post for a new guy drrigor! I'm guessing he's an Arizona ball fan rather than a Sox fan and he wants to follow hi into the pros. Welcome aboard!
If that's the case, he may well be unaware of the first thing some of us thought of when we read about the ballpark, and consciously trading power for hits in the gaps: Beehive stadium.
In case you're curious, Jeff Bagwell was the #110 pick in his draft.
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Post by Addam603 on Jun 4, 2019 21:01:23 GMT -5
Rikard said that they’re going to let Cannon develop as a SS to start his career. That means he’ll have to split time with Antoni Flores.
Speaking of which, this Lowell team just starts looking better and better.
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