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2019 Draft Signing Period
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 13, 2019 12:20:12 GMT -5
Great job everyone with all the draft info. The excitement of who will sign is finally over, but was fun as always. Now that we know which guys are coming in....how do you feel about this draft in comparison to last years? Definitely a different group with a whole new set of skills, but overall what are the thoughts? I'm thinking this class will produce a larger than normal crop of pitchers that make a difference down the road. Guys like Reed Harrington definitely have potential! It's not a bad question, but at this time last year, Jarren Duran and Thad Ward would've been afterthoughts when discussing that class, and there's a pretty good chance they're the second- and third-best players they drafted. It just seems so early to be doing that comparison. If we're trying to say compared to how we felt about last year's at this point last year, maybe roughly the same, in a good way?
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Post by soxin8 on Jul 13, 2019 13:32:46 GMT -5
Great job everyone with all the draft info. The excitement of who will sign is finally over, but was fun as always. Now that we know which guys are coming in....how do you feel about this draft in comparison to last years? Definitely a different group with a whole new set of skills, but overall what are the thoughts? I'm thinking this class will produce a larger than normal crop of pitchers that make a difference down the road. Guys like Reed Harrington definitely have potential! I like this draft, especially Song with the character he has displayed, his college performance and his PG 22 ranking. This class may have a little more pitching than last years class but last year was really a "wow" draft with the performances of that group so far. When you get a player leading the minors in hitting in the 7th round, that is hard to duplicate. Considering where the Sox were drafting each round and having the lowest budget, it looks very good at the moment.
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Post by michael on Jul 13, 2019 17:07:53 GMT -5
One is a college senior who likely might miss the next two seasons. One is a high school senior who had to get bought out of a college commitment. It's all about bargaining leverage. Well I know but Loubier throws in the 80s currently. His 500k is more than we gave any draft pick except the top 3 to use another comparison. It was also more than twice what was projected and Song was 1/4 the projection so I don't think I'm alone here. I was stunned as it also limits us in signing others. Sox must think that there is a lot of projection left in his development. Maybe Boras is his agent😊. Nah on Boras, if he were the agent there'd be an Opt-out in the contract.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 14, 2019 12:59:04 GMT -5
Final tally, with more changes of course - colors, lines,... (click to enlarge):
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Post by azblue on Jul 14, 2019 14:11:07 GMT -5
Norm--great work. Great job by the Sox Prospects staff during the months leading up to the draft, the 3 days when the draft was in progress and the signing period. I cannot imagine how many hours you spent keeping us current. Many board members scoured the Internet, Twitter, etc., supplementing the work of the SP staff. Fabulous effort by all of you.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 14, 2019 20:56:04 GMT -5
Well I know but Loubier throws in the 80s currently. His 500k is more than we gave any draft pick except the top 3 to use another comparison. It was also more than twice what was projected and Song was 1/4 the projection so I don't think I'm alone here. I was stunned as it also limits us in signing others. Sox must think that there is a lot of projection left in his development. Maybe Boras is his agent😊. Nah on Boras, if he were the agent there'd be an Opt-out in the contract. I'm sure you're kidding, but just as a point of information for the benefit of all, all draftees sign the same contract. The only thing that changes is the signing bonus.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 14, 2019 21:25:34 GMT -5
Final tally, with more changes of course - colors, lines,... (click to enlarge): Not that it makes a huge difference, but Song was 49 (I think?) on FG. I think he’s going to turn out to be a terrific get. Very good stuff and terrific makeup, at least from the available evidence. Zeferjahns has looked really good so far, too.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 15, 2019 13:07:33 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. The only difference it makes is on the median calculation of the rankings. That will also be 49.
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 15, 2019 18:06:06 GMT -5
I was very pleased with all the signings and think the Sox knocked it out of the park overall but have a question about Caleb Hill not signing. He is a senior. what was his problem?
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Post by Gwell55 on Jul 15, 2019 18:37:41 GMT -5
I was very pleased with all the signings and think the Sox knocked it out of the park overall but have a question about Caleb Hill not signing. He is a senior. what was his problem? He is a second rate football player out here in 1 AA Montana who hadn't played baseball forever... They might not of offered him more than 5,000 to play could be it. He was throwing last we heard at around 85... hoping for 89-90 406mtsports.com/college/big-sky-conference/university-of-montana/updated-former-montana-grizzly-football-player-caleb-hill-drafted-by/article_a6f7450e-ad5e-5e17-8058-17e2d86db3a6.html"“Then being left-handed helps and being as big as I am helps. Another factor is I haven’t been throwing for four years. I haven’t been putting that strain on my arm. I have a fresh arm. It’s just a matter of getting those muscles stretched out again and getting it back in shape. I could see how those were pros for me. “But I could see how me never pitching a live game in four years and not knowing if my shoulder could hold up or get back to what it used to could be cons. I’m glad they were able to see the pros over the cons and take this chance with me.”"
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 15, 2019 18:56:12 GMT -5
Thanks..I was thinking that he might have been a football player like Franks. Even if 2nd rate.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 18, 2019 2:58:01 GMT -5
Great job everyone with all the draft info. The excitement of who will sign is finally over, but was fun as always. Now that we know which guys are coming in....how do you feel about this draft in comparison to last years? Definitely a different group with a whole new set of skills, but overall what are the thoughts? I'm thinking this class will produce a larger than normal crop of pitchers that make a difference down the road. Guys like Reed Harrington definitely have potential! It's not a bad question, but at this time last year, Jarren Duran and Thad Ward would've been afterthoughts when discussing that class, and there's a pretty good chance they're the second- and third-best players they drafted. It just seems so early to be doing that comparison. If we're trying to say compared to how we felt about last year's at this point last year, maybe roughly the same, in a good way? Good point Chris. It really is tough to compare because there's always players that surprise and disappoint. I was mostly thinking on how people "feel" about the draft in comparison. I should have clarified. Based on last years draft thread a lot of people seemed to be really excited about what the Sox did. Mainly the draft felt like a bigger win than some other years, which generally shows the Sox took more exciting players with upside. Some years (at least I did) tend to be "what were they thinking taking him" type drafts haha.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 18, 2019 3:08:20 GMT -5
Great job everyone with all the draft info. The excitement of who will sign is finally over, but was fun as always. Now that we know which guys are coming in....how do you feel about this draft in comparison to last years? Definitely a different group with a whole new set of skills, but overall what are the thoughts? I'm thinking this class will produce a larger than normal crop of pitchers that make a difference down the road. Guys like Reed Harrington definitely have potential! I like this draft, especially Song with the character he has displayed, his college performance and his PG 22 ranking. This class may have a little more pitching than last years class but last year was really a "wow" draft with the performances of that group so far. When you get a player leading the minors in hitting in the 7th round, that is hard to duplicate. Considering where the Sox were drafting each round and having the lowest budget, it looks very good at the moment. That's exactly what I was thinking! We have the advantage of seeing the draft picks from last year play, but I "feel" about the same with this draft vs last year. I'm not quite sure if it is a change in the draft philosophy I like, higher upside guys, or even the volume we ended up signing. Hopefully there is another Duran this year haha. What I do know is I am excited about the pitching grabs. Its mostly due to the guys we are grabbing in the mid 6 foot range. I could be completely off base, but it seems a large majority of quality pitching coming up are on the tall side. MLB wise....not just the Sox. It certainly doesn't always work that way, but seems they "tend" to have an advantage due to long strides. That alone is generally an advantage that makes it harder on hitters. Other than that the leverage gained will allow for a little more velocity. Mechanics may be harder to repeat, but you can teach that vs something having to do with body type.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 18, 2019 9:32:44 GMT -5
I'll say I thought I was going to be a lot less excited about this class given what the org was working with. I still think it's unlikely there's a Casas-type stud in this group, but that's to be expected. But the outside-the-box thinking to get high upside, off-the-grid type picks in Song, Bakst, Franks, etc. is very exciting.
I'm hoping to get Rikard back on the pod soon. We'll have a lot to discuss!
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jul 19, 2019 6:31:56 GMT -5
I'll say I thought I was going to be a lot less excited about this class given what the org was working with. I still think it's unlikely there's a Casas-type stud in this group, but that's to be expected. But the outside-the-box thinking to get high upside, off-the-grid type picks in Song, Bakst, Franks, etc. is very exciting. I'm hoping to get Rikard back on the pod soon. We'll have a lot to discuss! I was very impressed as well given the limitations. I was a little dissapointed when we selected Cameron first, but I am very happy with it now. I didn't expect the Sox to come up with a Lugo, Song or anything like them. It makes the selection of Cameron very smart. Mainly where he was a fantastic hitter in college, closer to the MLB than a high risk player, and he didn't command a high bonus. We could have just as easily taken Lugo or Song in the top spot withou many complaints, and we would be worse off due to the slot bonus. Not Song as much as Lugo of course where Song's leverage was minimal. They did a great job finding players with upside yet weirder situations. Someone like Simas, Song or Bakst in particular were different. I definitely did not expect a Casas type due to our draft situation, but he's a hard find in any draft. I personally think that Lugo will end up being a similarly valuable player, but it's not exactly a good comparrison. They are in no way alike as you know. I only mean that I belive they will both impact the MLB club down the road, and both be close in WAR. Lugo is very very far off, but I really like what I have seen from him. If I HAD to choose a future comparrison for Lugo I would think possibly a Ketel Marte type? Edit: I look forward to the next podcast with Rikard. I am interested to hear some more on the new guys. IMO the system is looking so much more healthy than a few years ago. They are starting to close that gap some where all the talent is incredibly far off, and a glut of future middle relievers. If you were looking for any topics to discuss I would love to hear what you gents think of the state of the system vs pre DD times. I am talking about after we made the trades for Kimbrel, Sale, and any major grads like Benintendi. I would also love to hear any updates on Aaron Perry if you have any. I know he is pitching, but how he has looked type deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 19, 2019 7:21:51 GMT -5
Yeah, as we said on the last podcast, it's hard to quibble with the Cannon pick once you know they're going to save $400k on the pick.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 20, 2019 14:36:26 GMT -5
Just knocked out a really good interview, if I say so myself, for the podcast that I think you guys will dig.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Oct 17, 2019 9:33:00 GMT -5
Baseball America has their report card on the Red Sox 2019 draft class: Best Pure Hitter: Cameron Cannon Best Power Hitter: Dominic D'Alessandro, Stephen Scott, Dean Miller Fastest Runner: Matthew Lugo Best Defensive Player: Matthew Lugo Best Fastball: Ryan Zeferjahn Best Secondary Pitch: Noah Song (slider), Chris Murphy (changeup) Best Pro Debut: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Athlete: Matthew Lugo Most Intriguing Background: Noah Song and Feleipe Franks Closest to the Majors: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Late-Round Pick" Dominic D'Alessandro, Daniel Bakst, Alex Erro, and Brendan Cellucci www.baseballamerica.com/stories/boston-red-sox-2019-mlb-draft-report-card/
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 17, 2019 9:51:57 GMT -5
Baseball America has their report card on the Red Sox 2019 draft class: Best Pure Hitter: Cameron Cannon Best Power Hitter: Dominic D'Alessandro, Stephen Scott, Dean Miller Fastest Runner: Matthew Lugo Best Defensive Player: Matthew Lugo Best Fastball: Ryan Zeferjahn Best Secondary Pitch: Noah Song (slider), Chris Murphy (changeup) Best Pro Debut: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Athlete: Matthew Lugo Most Intriguing Background: Noah Song and Feleipe Franks Closest to the Majors: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Late-Round Pick" Dominic D'Alessandro, Daniel Bakst, Alex Erro, and Brendan Cellucci www.baseballamerica.com/stories/boston-red-sox-2019-mlb-draft-report-card/I know it's way too early to evaluate the draft, but does Baseball America have a blurb summarizing how its opinion on whether they felt the Sox drafted well and/or the current state of their farm system with the 2019 draft factored in?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 17, 2019 9:53:43 GMT -5
Not to be a bonehead but this seems a tad over what should be reported from a paid site.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2019 11:38:13 GMT -5
Not to be a bonehead but this seems a tad over what should be reported from a paid site. It's a free article but thanks for the input. Lol.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2019 11:42:52 GMT -5
Baseball America has their report card on the Red Sox 2019 draft class: Best Pure Hitter: Cameron Cannon Best Power Hitter: Dominic D'Alessandro, Stephen Scott, Dean Miller Fastest Runner: Matthew Lugo Best Defensive Player: Matthew Lugo Best Fastball: Ryan Zeferjahn Best Secondary Pitch: Noah Song (slider), Chris Murphy (changeup) Best Pro Debut: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Athlete: Matthew Lugo Most Intriguing Background: Noah Song and Feleipe Franks Closest to the Majors: Noah Song and Chris Murphy Best Late-Round Pick" Dominic D'Alessandro, Daniel Bakst, Alex Erro, and Brendan Cellucci www.baseballamerica.com/stories/boston-red-sox-2019-mlb-draft-report-card/IMHO, this feels like they wrote 95% of it based on their amateur scouting (which is way more BA's bread and butter these days, I feel like) and they didn't add much from the pro side beyond stats and the occasional tidbit (e.g., the Murphy changeup comment). Some of it doesn't make sense either. D'Alessandro having 70 power doesn't square with where he was drafted, how he's been assigned (GCL, no Instructs), or his stats. I get that raw is different than in-game, but c'mon now. 70? Like, Dalbec has 70 raw.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2019 19:29:54 GMT -5
Not to be a bonehead but this seems a tad over what should be reported from a paid site. It's a free article but thanks for the input. Lol. No it's not. "ARE YOU A MEMBER? In order to access this exclusive content you must have a Baseball America Account." If it was free, redsoxchamps wouldn't be asking content questions. but thanks for the output. Lol.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 19, 2019 17:49:51 GMT -5
It's a free article but thanks for the input. Lol. No it's not. "ARE YOU A MEMBER? In order to access this exclusive content you must have a Baseball America Account." If it was free, redsoxchamps wouldn't be asking content questions. but thanks for the output. Lol. I'm pretty sure this is the second time this has happened in the last few months
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 20, 2019 17:38:05 GMT -5
No it's not. "ARE YOU A MEMBER? In order to access this exclusive content you must have a Baseball America Account." If it was free, redsoxchamps wouldn't be asking content questions. but thanks for the output. Lol. I'm pretty sure this is the second time this has happened in the last few months I'm not logged in but I can read it. This is so freaking strange
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