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Post by RedSoxStats on Jun 26, 2019 21:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 26, 2019 21:39:38 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 26, 2019 21:43:27 GMT -5
Sing... Sing a Song...
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Post by cdj on Jun 26, 2019 21:47:33 GMT -5
interesting
Who on the Sox did some lobbying?
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Post by orion09 on Jun 26, 2019 21:50:32 GMT -5
Wow, that's huge
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 26, 2019 21:57:04 GMT -5
I wonder how this will affect Song's bonus.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 26, 2019 21:58:35 GMT -5
So apparently they're just waiting for the Navy to approve the contract, but one wonders if this is almost happening too soon - does the price skyrocket if he knows he doesn't have to wait 2 years? Not such that they can't sign him, but maybe taking some bonus money they'd use to sign one of the 11-16 guys?
Also, for what it's worth, do we know he'd defer? Based on interviews it seemed like the service commitment was somewhat important to him. Could also be him saying what he was supposed to say at the time though.
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Post by cdj on Jun 26, 2019 22:15:35 GMT -5
That’s what I was thinking- he doesn’t seem like a lock to defer his service. It’s nice to know that he has the option in this case though and he’s not being tied down by something he’d rather not do. If he serves its because he wants to serve rather than play pro ball. Good for him either way
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Post by telson13 on Jun 26, 2019 22:19:27 GMT -5
So apparently they're just waiting for the Navy to approve the contract, but one wonders if this is almost happening too soon - does the price skyrocket if he knows he doesn't have to wait 2 years? Not such that they can't sign him, but maybe taking some bonus money they'd use to sign one of the 11-16 guys? Also, for what it's worth, do we know he'd defer? Based on interviews it seemed like the service commitment was somewhat important to him. Could also be him saying what he was supposed to say at the time though. Idk how much it’ll affect cost, but it certainly could be significantly. If unsigned, he becomes re-draft eligible next year, no? Im not clear on the rules re: unsigned seniors. As a FA, being a roughly top-50 talent, who knows what his bonus might be ($1-2M?). I also agree that, given all that he’s said, he seems to genuinely want to serve. Now, that could be diplomacy, but I guess we’ll find out soon. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 26, 2019 22:43:13 GMT -5
A couple of things.
Trump's decision might have been spurred by the Song situation but he indicated several months ago that he'd be in favor of deferring athletes commitments until after their playing days are over.
True Song wasn't looking to defer his commitment and looked forward to serving but there was also a quote that he was upset that they didn't tell him until late in his college career that he wouldn't be a pilot. As he said, he hadn't grown and they should have known when he took the flight physical.
This will have a far bigger positive impact on the military than meets the eye. Think about how many athletes who were considering a military career chose not to go to military schools because of the possibility of becoming pro athletes. Far fewer college athletes turn pro than minor leaguers who never make the big show.
According to the NPR article, the Defense Department has 120 days to re-write the rule. Just barely in time but Noah's commitment starts Nov 1st.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 27, 2019 8:13:44 GMT -5
So apparently they're just waiting for the Navy to approve the contract, but one wonders if this is almost happening too soon - does the price skyrocket if he knows he doesn't have to wait 2 years? Not such that they can't sign him, but maybe taking some bonus money they'd use to sign one of the 11-16 guys? Also, for what it's worth, do we know he'd defer? Based on interviews it seemed like the service commitment was somewhat important to him. Could also be him saying what he was supposed to say at the time though. I'm not so sure that things will change here. If there's a contract that's been waiting to be approved by the Navy, it's more likely than not that the amount has already been determined. The military isn't likely to approve every contract for $1000 to play pro sports. Changing now wouldn't be a good look for either side. If Song backed out, the wording on what Trump is looking for "immediately after graduating" clouds Song's options. It's also not out of the realm of possibilities that any or all of the Navy, Red Sox or Song knew that this might happen. Trump mentioned it long before the draft and Song is the highest military draft slot in history (Stauback was a 10th rounder). The timing might seem coincidental but it's more likely action/reaction. This could also explain the longer than anticipated delay in the Navy approving it. |
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Post by coachmac on Jun 27, 2019 11:12:42 GMT -5
This will have a far bigger positive impact on the military than meets the eye. Think about how many athletes who were considering a military career chose not to go to military schools because of the possibility of becoming pro athletes. Far fewer college athletes turn pro than minor leaguers who never make the big show.
According to the NPR article, the Defense Department has 120 days to re-write the rule. Just barely in time but Noah's commitment starts Nov 1st.[/quote]
This change by Trump won't impact the overall military. The requirements for admission to the Academies are far more stringent and comprehensive than any other school. Successful candidates have to have academic superiority, demonstrated leadership qualities and measured physical fitness. Followed by 4 years of strict military training in addition to heavy academic classloads with the 5 year service requirement;the schools turn away many qualified candidates despite these requirements. The sports teams might be slightly enhanced but the overall quality of officers wont be changed.
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Post by coachmac on Jun 27, 2019 11:15:51 GMT -5
The 1st paragraph above is quoted from philsbosoxfan.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 27, 2019 12:19:37 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 28, 2019 6:33:56 GMT -5
I love this guy already. This year's draft just went from a solid "B" to an "A-".
I was happy with the Song pick knowing we had to wait 2 years, now I'm elated.
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Post by huskies15 on Jun 28, 2019 9:22:15 GMT -5
I'm just curious where Song stacks up compared to someone like Houck when they were drafted. Seems this could be a real coup by the Red Sox.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2019 10:38:38 GMT -5
I'm just curious where Song stacks up compared to someone like Houck when they were drafted. Seems this could be a real coup by the Red Sox. Good but not that good according to rankings. Houck was pretty much a consensus first rounder, Song averaged early second rounder. Houck average rank 22 2/3 Song average rank 51 2/3 |
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Post by ramireja on Jun 28, 2019 11:20:01 GMT -5
I'm just curious where Song stacks up compared to someone like Houck when they were drafted. Seems this could be a real coup by the Red Sox. Good but not that good according to rankings. Houck was pretty much a consensus first rounder, Song averaged early second rounder. Houck average rank 22 2/3 Song average rank 51 2/3 Yeah but it's also possible that Song's situation factored into his rankings. Its still probably Houck by a hair but its close. |
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 28, 2019 11:58:17 GMT -5
Good but not that good according to rankings. Houck was pretty much a consensus first rounder, Song averaged early second rounder. Houck average rank 22 2/3 Song average rank 51 2/3 Yeah but it's also possible that Song's situation factored into his rankings. Its still probably Houck by a hair but its close. It's also hard to compare different years like that. |
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Post by mobaz on Jun 28, 2019 11:59:12 GMT -5
Song also has a clearer path as a starter, and there were questions from the beginning on Houck (I think Keith Law was one).
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Post by orion09 on Jun 28, 2019 17:56:25 GMT -5
Song also has a clearer path as a starter, and there were questions from the beginning on Houck (I think Keith Law was one). Agreed, his mechanics are cleaner which IMO is promising for his potential as a starter. The elbow gets a little high in the back (makes me wonder about shoulder problems down the line), but everything else looks reasonably smooth and repeatable.  |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 28, 2019 18:15:17 GMT -5
Too many factors to compare. To attempt a comparison without the situation factor, you would have to go back a year to view Song because Houck was a Junior not a Senior.
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