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Post by jimed14 on Jul 3, 2019 16:42:43 GMT -5
Root root root for the home team payroll efficiency. That's not even what I was criticizing. I root root root for guys with a sub 3 ERA who strike out 6-8 times as many batters as they walk. I don't really care if he's making league minimum or a half billion per year. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 3, 2019 16:50:07 GMT -5
They need to trade for a starter like tomorrow. They don't have a fifth starter right now. They need to wait and see on the reliever market. So I picked wait and see, but only because of the relieving market part.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 3, 2019 17:19:55 GMT -5
Wait and see what? That the 2nd half thing is somewhat overblown b/c he's had multiple years with better August ERA's than May? Even for "as bad as he's pitched this year" he's got a 2.92 FIP and striking out at his normal rates. He's an elite SP, we don't need to twist ourselves into thinking otherwise. And since 4/23, here are his stats: 83 1/3 IP 57 H 19 BB (2.05/9) 134 K (14.47/9) 2.81 ERA 2.21 FIP 2.35 xFIP 2.51 SIERA What an albatross. So, you're paying $25-$30 per year for an elite 83 1/3 IP during the regular season? If he struggled mightily at the beginning of the season because they wanted to bring him in slow to preserve him (which was the whole point of costing yourself potential wins and scorching his ERA) and then he still breaks down or is less effective, what was the value in that? This experiment is because the team is weary of him breaking/slowing down towards the end of the season. Chris Sale between March (1 start) and April went 0-5 with 21 earned runs in 27.0 IP. In his last 11 innings he's given up 8 earned runs. In 2018, Chris Sale pitched 27 innings, albeit a pretty good 27 innings, and did a very serviceable job, but not Chris Sale/ace-like performance in October. In 2017, Chris Sale had a 4.38 ERA in August and a 3.72 in September in a year he finished with a 2.9. He also gave up 9 ER in 9.2 IP in 2 October starts. In 2016, Chris Sale had a 2.89 ERA in August and a 3.75 in September. July was actually his worst month with a 4.85 with June being 3.93. No October starts In 2015, Chris Sale had a 4.19 ERA in July, a 3.21 ERA in August and a 5.04 ERA in September. A 4.33 ERA post-ASB. I'm not saying he sucks. I'd say he goes from being an elite ace to roughly Rick Porcello (3-year split of 3.99 ERA). He's also 30 so each future year there's a concern with diminishing stuff which makes the value he's providing now more important (unless he does happen to age gracefully which is no guarantee). The "wait and see" is to see if this ramp up approach worked or not. I'm more than happy to see him get shelled every April and May (not that he did in May) if it means he's a 2.5-3.0 ERA type of pitcher in September and October. Granted, his contract technically doesn't start until next year. Also, the "but winz" comment isn't necessary. I have to shut off the radio when I hear Mazz talking about how wins still matter or how it's an ace's fault when he loses 1-0 or 2-1. The "aces" job is to go out and give you as many quality innings as possible. The rest is up to the offense and bullpen. Chris Sale could be 3-7 and in-line for a Cy Young if his numbers merited it. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Jul 3, 2019 17:39:11 GMT -5
Way too early to make this decision. Wait until just before the deadline. I'd be willing to trade a Darwinzon Hernandez or CJ Chatham for a Will Smith or Kirby Yates.
If we're sellers, well, we really don't have a lot to sell. Porcello is the only guy of significance in the last year of his contract and he's: 1.) Not all that good and 2.) Expensive. Getting any prospect of value would require heavily subsidizing his remaining salary.
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Post by soxfan511 on Jul 3, 2019 17:54:13 GMT -5
I would sell AB Mookie or Porcello for top prospects and rebuild the farm
devers, X, and Mata are untouchable right now..
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 3, 2019 21:18:34 GMT -5
Just watching Sale crap it again and another 2nd and 3rd squander...and Nunez...starting to lean soft sell. Not our year.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 23:04:51 GMT -5
My predictions of who will be gone within the next year or so (if the current meh trend continues and the playoffs are missed)
Porcello
Cashner (we hardly knew ye)
Sale perhaps? (esp if an injury is finally made public)
HembreeWaldenBrewerTaylorWeber (the AAAA pen crew)
JBJ
Mookie
JDM
Leon
Pearce
Moreland (too fragile now).
So - we will need a few starters, some decent pen arms, 2/3 of an outfield, a DH, back up catcher, and first basemen.
Unless something drastic happens and the team wakes up and finds some consistency, this well paid team is due for some big time changes.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2019 23:08:16 GMT -5
My predictions of who will be gone within the next year or so (if the current meh trend continues and the playoffs are missed) Porcello Cashner (we hardly knew ye) Sale perhaps? (esp if an injury is finally made public) HembreeWaldenBrewerTaylorWeber (the AAAA pen crew) JBJ Mookie JDM Leon Pearce Moreland (too fragile now). So - we will need a few starters, some decent pen arms, 2/3 of an outfield, a DH, back up catcher, and first basemen. Unless something drastic happens and the team wakes up and finds some consistency, this well paid team is due for some big time changes. I do think the Sox will keep JDM if Mookie goes. That's just what I think the Sox will do here. |
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