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7/25-7/28 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2019 10:30:47 GMT -5
Sale isn't breaking down. He's having trouble with home runs, like every other fly ball pitcher in baseball. I don't know if that's better or worse. I doubt MLB is going to reverse course on the juiced ball era. Also, he's not breaking down now. It's they supposedly tanked the earlier part of the season, specifically his starts, so that he could be stronger in August, September, and October. We'll see when we get there. His fastball still hasn't looked as lively. He can dial it up, but his average FB is down. He's averaging under 95 MPH. FA Velocities, 2017-2019
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 10:58:41 GMT -5
Sale isn't breaking down. He's having trouble with home runs, like every other fly ball pitcher in baseball. The command suggests something minor could be wrong with him. We know he had the toe injury to start the year, maybe he's been battling that all year. If you showed 3 of his nastiest pitches all year, would that sway your opinion? Not me either. That is a really ridiculous way to prove anything.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2019 11:10:50 GMT -5
If you showed 3 of his nastiest pitches all year, would that sway your opinion? Not me either. That is a really ridiculous way to prove anything. Literally any start, you could pull gifs of three pitches located that poorly. And the fact that they all got crushed certainly doesn't disprove the theory that the ball is the problem, or part of the problem.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 11:12:33 GMT -5
If you showed 3 of his nastiest pitches all year, would that sway your opinion? Not me either. That is a really ridiculous way to prove anything. Literally any start, you could pull gifs of three pitches located that poorly. And the difference between the unjuiced ball and the juiced ball is that the mistakes probably leave the park about 80% more often. There aren't many pitchers that never make a mistake.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2019 11:14:30 GMT -5
Literally any start, you could pull gifs of three pitches located that poorly. And the difference between the unjuiced ball and the juiced ball is that the mistakes probably leave the park about 80% more often. There aren't many pitchers that never make a mistake. But again, I doubt juiced balls are going away anytime soon. So where does that leave Sale if MLB doesn't change?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 11:16:15 GMT -5
And the difference between the unjuiced ball and the juiced ball is that the mistakes probably leave the park about 80% more often. There aren't many pitchers that never make a mistake. But again, I doubt juiced balls are going away anytime soon. So where does that leave Sale if MLB doesn't change? Exactly where MLB wants the best pitchers to be I guess.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2019 11:17:37 GMT -5
Sale isn't breaking down. He's having trouble with home runs, like every other fly ball pitcher in baseball. I don't know if that's better or worse. I doubt MLB is going to reverse course on the juiced ball era. Also, he's not breaking down now. It's they supposedly tanked the earlier part of the season, specifically his starts, so that he could be stronger in August, September, and October. We'll see when we get there. His fastball still hasn't looked as lively. He can dial it up, but his average FB is down. He's averaging under 95 MPH. FA Velocities, 2017-2019It's funny that people think MLB is actually in control of this situation. If they'd actually take the necessary steps to coordinate this with Rawlings, you know those emails would have been leaked by now. The likely reality is worse: MLB isn't in control of their own equipment, they were the last to notice and/or admit the change, and they don't care very much.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 29, 2019 11:20:20 GMT -5
I don't know if that's better or worse. I doubt MLB is going to reverse course on the juiced ball era. Also, he's not breaking down now. It's they supposedly tanked the earlier part of the season, specifically his starts, so that he could be stronger in August, September, and October. We'll see when we get there. His fastball still hasn't looked as lively. He can dial it up, but his average FB is down. He's averaging under 95 MPH. FA Velocities, 2017-2019It's funny that people think MLB is actually in control of this situation. If they'd actually take the necessary steps to coordinate this with Rawlings, you know those emails would have been leaked by now. The likely reality is worse: MLB isn't in control of their own equipment, they were the last to notice and/or admit the change, and they don't care very much. Didn't Verlander say MLB owns Rawlings in his rant about the balls?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 11:21:19 GMT -5
I don't know if that's better or worse. I doubt MLB is going to reverse course on the juiced ball era. Also, he's not breaking down now. It's they supposedly tanked the earlier part of the season, specifically his starts, so that he could be stronger in August, September, and October. We'll see when we get there. His fastball still hasn't looked as lively. He can dial it up, but his average FB is down. He's averaging under 95 MPH. FA Velocities, 2017-2019It's funny that people think MLB is actually in control of this situation. If they'd actually take the necessary steps to coordinate this with Rawlings, you know those emails would have been leaked by now. The likely reality is worse: MLB isn't in control of their own equipment, they were the last to notice and/or admit the change, and they don't care very much. Yeah, total coincidence that HR have increased about 40% and not decreased 40%. Baseball also wouldn't care if offense is drastically reduced, right? They have no vested interest in whatever stupid crap that casual fans care about?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2019 11:40:34 GMT -5
It's funny that people think MLB is actually in control of this situation. If they'd actually take the necessary steps to coordinate this with Rawlings, you know those emails would have been leaked by now. The likely reality is worse: MLB isn't in control of their own equipment, they were the last to notice and/or admit the change, and they don't care very much. Yeah, total coincidence that HR have increased about 40% and not decreased 40%. Baseball also wouldn't care if offense is drastically reduced, right? They have no vested interest in whatever stupid crap that casual fans care about? I mean, they probably would care more if the ball was moving in the other direction, but none of what you're saying at all proves or even really suggests that this was a plan MLB put in place intentionally. It just shows why they haven't had a reason to care.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2019 14:52:29 GMT -5
And the difference between the unjuiced ball and the juiced ball is that the mistakes probably leave the park about 80% more often. There aren't many pitchers that never make a mistake. But again, I doubt juiced balls are going away anytime soon. So where does that leave Sale if MLB doesn't change? Rubbing just a touch of an invisible sticky substance into his glove before every inning.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 16:21:24 GMT -5
Yeah, total coincidence that HR have increased about 40% and not decreased 40%. Baseball also wouldn't care if offense is drastically reduced, right? They have no vested interest in whatever stupid crap that casual fans care about? I mean, they probably would care more if the ball was moving in the other direction, but none of what you're saying at all proves or even really suggests that this was a plan MLB put in place intentionally. It just shows why they haven't had a reason to care. Sorry, but I find this sentiment to be as naive as saying that money doesn't really affect politics. Why do they even have different balls for MLB/AAA and everyone else playing baseball? And it all started very shortly after Manfred was hired. If you don't have even tiny doubts that this isn't a conspiracy, then I guess your definition of conspiracy is always "complete lie".
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 29, 2019 16:32:04 GMT -5
I mean, they probably would care more if the ball was moving in the other direction, but none of what you're saying at all proves or even really suggests that this was a plan MLB put in place intentionally. It just shows why they haven't had a reason to care. Sorry, but I find this sentiment to be as naive as saying that money doesn't really affect politics. Why do they even have different balls for MLB/AAA and everyone else playing baseball? And it all started very shortly after Manfred was hired. If you don't have even tiny doubts that this isn't a conspiracy, then I guess your definition of conspiracy is always "complete lie". What's naive is assuming MLB could pull this plan off without anyone finding out about it. This the problem with every conspiracy theory, you're giving the people in power way too much credit for their competence and planning ability.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 16:46:02 GMT -5
Sorry, but I find this sentiment to be as naive as saying that money doesn't really affect politics. Why do they even have different balls for MLB/AAA and everyone else playing baseball? And it all started very shortly after Manfred was hired. If you don't have even tiny doubts that this isn't a conspiracy, then I guess your definition of conspiracy is always "complete lie". What's naive is assuming MLB could pull this plan off without anyone finding out about it. fivethirtyeight.com/features/juiced-baseballs/Independent investigations by FiveThirtyEight, publications like The Ringer, and Nathan himself have shown differences in the characteristics of the ball and the way it performs. Research has shown that balls used in games after the 2015 All-Star Game were bouncier and less air resistant compared with baseballs from the 2014 season, when players hit a relatively modest 4,186 homers, the fewest since 1995. (Nathan noted that MLB does not regularly measure air resistance.) Taken together, these changes would result in a ball that would come off the bat at a higher speed and carry farther. While investigations have been able to show that the baseball behaves differently in recent years, no one had looked inside the ball to see if there was evidence of changes to the way the baseball is constructed. Manfred's hire date was January 25, 2015. This isn't a court of law, so I'm going to go with the circumstantial evidence as being very likely to be real. The MLB ball is exclusively used in MLB and AAA. It has significantly less drag and is significantly more bouncy than the non-MLB and AAA balls. That this is a total coincidence and not directed from above is completely unbelievable to me. Why are the balls made differently? Why do they have different centers? Why did they replace cork centers with rubber centers? Why did the seams almost get eliminated? I highly doubt it was for cost cutting reasons considering the MLB balls are about double the price. Give me a single reason why they are so different that isn't on purpose to make them travel further. Also, MLB freaking owns Rawlings, so they are in control of everything about the ball!
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Post by beavertontim on Jul 29, 2019 22:30:59 GMT -5
Rawlings is actually owned by Seidler Equity. MLB has a minority position next to Seidler. Seidler is owned by brothers Peter and Robert. Peter is the managing partner of the Padres.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 29, 2019 22:40:04 GMT -5
Rawlings is actually owned by Seidler Equity. MLB has a minority position next to Seidler. Seidler is owned by brothers Peter and Robert. Peter is the managing partner of the Padres. Yeah and there's no details of that so until you can prove otherwise, I'll believe MLB bought Rawlings in order to control the production of baseballs, because that's a very logical position to take. www.foxbusiness.com/markets/mlb-buys-rawlings-seeking-more-control-over-baseball-production
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 29, 2019 23:10:09 GMT -5
Interesting. So the relationship is a bit incestuous. Easy to imagine lobbying in the boys club to get the deal done for new baseballs courtesy of Rawlings. That doesn't necessarily add up to a carefully planned effort to subvert the status quo. Instead, it may just be business as usual with a strong dose of lobbying by the interested parties. We needed to have a baseball loving fly-on-the-wall in those meetings. Instead, we're left with guesswork.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 30, 2019 0:11:04 GMT -5
Rawlings is actually owned by Seidler Equity. MLB has a minority position next to Seidler. Seidler is owned by brothers Peter and Robert. Peter is the managing partner of the Padres. Yeah and there's no details of that so until you can prove otherwise, I'll believe MLB bought Rawlings in order to control the production of baseballs, because that's a very logical position to take. www.foxbusiness.com/markets/mlb-buys-rawlings-seeking-more-control-over-baseball-productionHaha, well it looks like you're both wrong - it wasn't a conspiracy, but only because they openly stated their intention to control the production of the ball.
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