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8/2-8/4 Red Sox @ Yankees Series Thread
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 2, 2019 20:53:02 GMT -5
Longest losing streak since 2015. That was just sad tonight.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Aug 2, 2019 20:53:42 GMT -5
Freeeeee, free falling!
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 2, 2019 20:53:42 GMT -5
If only they had a better bullpen, they would have won the last 4 games.
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Post by canasky on Aug 2, 2019 20:56:33 GMT -5
This team is dead in the water wouldn’t be surprised if they are swept because they lay down against higher competition this year and barely beat sub 500 teams
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Post by atzar on Aug 2, 2019 20:58:15 GMT -5
Sox just weren't competitive on offense after the first inning.
Can't happen. Too much talent for that.
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Post by wildcardwillie on Aug 2, 2019 21:02:32 GMT -5
Rare chance to lose 2 tomorrow!
If wed scored 12 tonight wed have given up 13 is what it is at this point
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 2, 2019 21:13:42 GMT -5
If only they had a better bullpen, they would have won the last 4 games. 5 game losing streak.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2019 21:21:12 GMT -5
If only they had a better bullpen, they would have won the last 4 games. Don't worry. When their offense and starting pitching finally get in sync, the bullpen will blow it.
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 2, 2019 22:15:14 GMT -5
Sam Dyson update!
Tonight: 0.2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER Twin Totals: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 6 ER
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 2, 2019 22:17:56 GMT -5
If only they had a better bullpen, they would have won the last 4 games. The next 4 games we lose it might be the pen that spits the bit.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 2, 2019 22:19:16 GMT -5
Everyone I know is traumatized. Some gal was hysterical, in tears, on her front lawn.
Peeples, be strong. Our forefathers endured much.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 2, 2019 22:43:52 GMT -5
Sam Dyson update! Tonight: 0.2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER Twin Totals: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 6 ER He's probably given up as many runs in 2 games with the Twins as he has with the Giants all season. Honestly, if you have a chance to get a guy with a 2.5 ERA who had roughly the same numbers the past two years along with good peripherals and the cost was 3 non-descript prospects, ummm....wouldn't you make the deal? I would - that was his cost. The deal would look bad, but the thinking going into it is not. Stuff happens. Minnesota had a good thought as to how to fix the pen, and after two games it's not working. Doesn't mean it won't work going forward, but their thinking was sound. Sometimes teams do smart things but the results aren't there. Ie, the Red Sox re-invested in Eovaldi and let Kimbrel walk. Not working out. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it.
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Post by manfred on Aug 2, 2019 22:47:52 GMT -5
Sam Dyson update! Tonight: 0.2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER Twin Totals: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 6 ER He's probably given up as many runs in 2 games with the Twins as he has with the Giants all season. Honestly, if you have a chance to get a guy with a 2.5 ERA who had roughly the same numbers the past two years along with good peripherals and the cost was 3 non-descript prospects, ummm....wouldn't you make the deal? I would - that was his cost. The deal would look bad, but the thinking going into it is not. Stuff happens. Minnesota had a good thought as to how to fix the pen, and after two games it's not working. Doesn't mean it won't work going forward, but their thinking was sound. Sometimes teams do smart things but the results aren't there. Ie, the Red Sox re-invested in Eovaldi and let Kimbrel walk. Not working out. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it. It’s like my favorite activity, blackjack. You have 11, dealer shows a 5, you double down. If you lose, you were still right. Someone who says, “ you shouldn’t have” doesn’t know how the game works.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 2, 2019 23:43:06 GMT -5
Sam Dyson update! Tonight: 0.2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER Twin Totals: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 6 ER He's probably given up as many runs in 2 games with the Twins as he has with the Giants all season. Honestly, if you have a chance to get a guy with a 2.5 ERA who had roughly the same numbers the past two years along with good peripherals and the cost was 3 non-descript prospects, ummm....wouldn't you make the deal? I would - that was his cost. The deal would look bad, but the thinking going into it is not. Stuff happens. Minnesota had a good thought as to how to fix the pen, and after two games it's not working. Doesn't mean it won't work going forward, but their thinking was sound. Sometimes teams do smart things but the results aren't there. Ie, the Red Sox re-invested in Eovaldi and let Kimbrel walk. Not working out. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it. Yeah, the lesson isn't: trading for a reliever is always dumb. But no one ever said that. The lesson is: nothing is guaranteed; relievers, especially, are super unpredictable; you're at best talking about a marginal upgrade; and the idea that a team has thrown away its season because they didn't trade for a reliever is nonsense. Meanwhile... good lord has this season gone down the crapper in a hurry. It really is amazing - at the trade deadline this team was right in it, and probably favored to make it to the playoffs. Two days later and we're waaaay on the outside looking in, 4 games behind two teams and we need to finish ahead of both. I've pointed out a bunch of times that since the team's lousy start, they've very consistently stayed within a range of what would be a 95-100 win pace for a full season. Not anymore. Now they're 53-39 since that start, only a 93-win pace. And since the games at the beginning of the season, you know, count, that's a pace they really can't afford. What the hell happened? (And before anyone answers that they got their hearts broken at the trade deadline because Dombrowski only added Cashner to the team, please note that Cashman did jack-all for the Yankees and they're 2-0 since then.)
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 2, 2019 23:45:39 GMT -5
Sam Dyson update! Tonight: 0.2 IP, 4 H, 3 ER Twin Totals: 0.2 IP, 6 H, 2 BB, 6 ER He's probably given up as many runs in 2 games with the Twins as he has with the Giants all season. Honestly, if you have a chance to get a guy with a 2.5 ERA who had roughly the same numbers the past two years along with good peripherals and the cost was 3 non-descript prospects, ummm....wouldn't you make the deal? I would - that was his cost. The deal would look bad, but the thinking going into it is not. Stuff happens. Minnesota had a good thought as to how to fix the pen, and after two games it's not working. Doesn't mean it won't work going forward, but their thinking was sound. Sometimes teams do smart things but the results aren't there. Ie, the Red Sox re-invested in Eovaldi and let Kimbrel walk. Not working out. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it. When you stop pretending you know what the cost would have been - and others stop pretending they’re certain what the results would have been - I’ll stop posting Sam Dyson updates. I doubt the Giants think they traded away a desirable piece for three ‘non-descript’ prospects. They probably snagged three prospects they liked. And in a shallow pool of Red Sox prospects who the hell knows who they’d like and whether they’d be viewed as non-descript by this board or the club, itself... . I don’t know and you don’t know either - so stop pretending you do. Perhaps the Sox trading for Dyson was in fact NOT sound thinking - based either on cost of acquisition (what the Giants wanted from Boston, specifically) or perhaps the FO had an inkling about moving Dyson from the spacious parks/watered down line ups in the NL West/NL to the American League... —- FYI, The Giants got a close to the majors power bat (25 HR) and a pair of upside arms, one throwing very well in A ball and both racking up strikeouts. Those might grow in trees in the Twins system, but I’m certainly not going to pretend I know for sure that Red Sox comparables (in SF’s eyes) would qualify as non-descript around these parts. Again, I’ll have to trust that DD didn’t find the deal worth making since he is the only one who knows what may have been on the table and his track record regarding his own prospects is very strong. Just wanting a player isn’t enough to make it happen - otherwise being a GM would be easy - cost has to be right and a team has to actually want your package. Ill say it again, for those in the back - EVERYONE would have welcomed a relief upgrade at a reasonable price. One can either accept that it didn’t happen for any number of realistic reasons or one can pretend DD turned down numerous great deals and sat on his duff just to alienate SoxProspects.com... —- You may want to win at Blackjack (make a trade) and it still simply may not be in the cards. Most people who ‘understand the game’ can accept that. And the blackjack analogy relative to some poster’s views on not making a trade is more like sitting on 20, knowing the cards are stacked against you if you hit (no good deals) and breathlessly hitting anyway for no reason other than 21 is better than 20!!
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Post by danredhawk on Aug 3, 2019 0:14:54 GMT -5
He's probably given up as many runs in 2 games with the Twins as he has with the Giants all season. Honestly, if you have a chance to get a guy with a 2.5 ERA who had roughly the same numbers the past two years along with good peripherals and the cost was 3 non-descript prospects, ummm....wouldn't you make the deal? I would - that was his cost. The deal would look bad, but the thinking going into it is not. Stuff happens. Minnesota had a good thought as to how to fix the pen, and after two games it's not working. Doesn't mean it won't work going forward, but their thinking was sound. Sometimes teams do smart things but the results aren't there. Ie, the Red Sox re-invested in Eovaldi and let Kimbrel walk. Not working out. Doesn't mean they shouldn't have done it. Cashman did jack-all for the Yankees and they're 2-0 since then.) Clearly Cashman stood firm out of belief in his team, whereas DD did so out of doubt. Duh, players can tell the difference. How else can you explain how motivated Paxton obviously was out there tonight!!
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2019 7:16:10 GMT -5
For those wondering what happened to this team, anyone who has objectively watched this season unfold game by game should not be surprised. The team now is the team in spring training and the team that went into the season low energy and immediately floundering.
They're essentially been the same team all season.... inconsistent, frustrating, and if not flawed in personnel, flawed in performance just as often as not. Last year's extremely likable team has been bordering on unlikable...mostly sad and frustrating. Cora hasn't had a great year with decision making, whether handling pitchers or forcing Nunez into lineups or not playing Marco or forcing Benny into leadoff for far too long
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 3, 2019 9:23:57 GMT -5
Leon batting 9th annoys me. Not a typical lead-off hitter.
Brian Johnson is man #26 today.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 3, 2019 9:25:59 GMT -5
Aftermath syndrome.
I've seen it happen with unusually successful teams before. It's easy to talk the talk of "it's a new season, we have to be prepared." Much tougher to walk the walk, and when things don't go quite the way they did last season and it becomes more and more obvious that you aren't going to duplicate or approximate past success, it can be difficult to motivate yourself. The decision to ease off in spring training in deference to the wear and tear of last year may have contributed, I don't know. But this team just doesn't "have it," and personally, as a LONG-time fan who has now witnessed world championships and an historically dominant season last year, I understand completely.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2019 10:02:12 GMT -5
Aftermath syndrome. I've seen it happen with unusually successful teams before. It's easy to talk the talk of "it's a new season, we have to be prepared." Much tougher to walk the walk, and when things don't go quite the way they did last season and it becomes more and more obvious that you aren't going to duplicate or approximate past success, it can be difficult to motivate yourself. The decision to ease off in spring training in deference to the wear and tear of last year may have contributed, I don't know. But this team just doesn't "have it," and personally, as a LONG-time fan who has now witnessed world championships and an historically dominant season last year, I understand completely. Well stated, and I agree
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Post by station13 on Aug 3, 2019 10:50:57 GMT -5
Sandy Leon! /facepalm
The only worse hitter than JBJ also plays for the Red Sox.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 3, 2019 11:11:40 GMT -5
For those wondering what happened to this team, anyone who has objectively watched this season unfold game by game should not be surprised. The team now is the team in spring training and the team that went into the season low energy and immediately floundering. They're essentially been the same team all season.... inconsistent, frustrating, and if not flawed in personnel, flawed in performance just as often as not. Last year's extremely likable team has been bordering on unlikable...mostly sad and frustrating. Cora hasn't had a great year with decision making, whether handling pitchers or forcing Nunez into lineups or not playing Marco or forcing Benny into leadoff for far too long Okay, but after the lousy start they... were really good. Between the bad start and this losing streak they went 53-34, a 99-win pace. Now I'm not saying you can throw out the losing streak. That's part of what they are, now, as a team. It's just that, as of 5 days ago, this looked like a team that had that weird awful start, and then righted itself and played basically at their level of talent for more than half a season. So I don't really buy that this is what they've looked like all along. Hell, maybe they'll start a 10-game winning streak today and revert back to the level of their talent (though I admit that's... unlikely).
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 3, 2019 11:45:54 GMT -5
For those wondering what happened to this team, anyone who has objectively watched this season unfold game by game should not be surprised. The team now is the team in spring training and the team that went into the season low energy and immediately floundering. They're essentially been the same team all season.... inconsistent, frustrating, and if not flawed in personnel, flawed in performance just as often as not. Last year's extremely likable team has been bordering on unlikable...mostly sad and frustrating. Cora hasn't had a great year with decision making, whether handling pitchers or forcing Nunez into lineups or not playing Marco or forcing Benny into leadoff for far too long Okay, but after the lousy start they... were really good. Between the bad start and this losing streak they went 53-34, a 99-win pace. Now I'm not saying you can throw out the losing streak. That's part of what they are, now, as a team. It's just that, as of 5 days ago, this looked like a team that had that weird awful start, and then righted itself and played basically at their level of talent for more than half a season. So I don't really buy that this is what they've looked like all along. Hell, maybe they'll start a 10-game winning streak today and revert back to the level of their talent (though I admit that's... unlikely). My feeling is that even the wins this year, compared to last year.. most were nailbiters or grinds. I've used " it don't come easy" many times this year. So, a weird year . Offensive stats look great, but runs often come in bunches with droughts in between. Enough wins to be in the hunt, but few were easy, and we are leaving lots of possible wins on the floor
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Post by ivor on Aug 3, 2019 12:08:11 GMT -5
time for a doubleheader sweep
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 3, 2019 12:17:05 GMT -5
You gotta be f*cking kidding me on the 3rd strike to JDM. Pitch #7:
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