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8/12 Gameday Thread: Why I Don’t Like Mondays - Off Days
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Post by iakovos11 on Aug 12, 2019 7:31:45 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2019 11:12:40 GMT -5
Playoff update:
-With 12 games to go in the DSL season, the Red Sox1 are one game out of first place. The Red Sox2, by virtue of being in the same division as the 48-12 Rangers1, have actually been eliminated from the playoffs. -With 17 games remaining, GCL Red Sox are tied for third place in the division, 4.5 games out of first place. Not quite sure what the procedure is going to be now that they are in three divisions rather than four, but if there is a wild card (rather than the top seed getting a bye), the Sox are three games behind the GCL Twins. -Lowell's lead is down to 4.5 games in the Stedler Division. They are now positioned as the third seed, and their record remains better than any second place team. -Greenville is in last place in the seven team Southern Division, 8.5 games out. -Salem's win yesterday has them 1.5 games up on Potomac in the Northern Divsion. Still 21 games to go. Wilmington, who won the first half, is in third place but is only four games back. If Salem finishes second behind Wilmington then they would make the playoffs as a wild card. -Portland is five games behind Reading with 20 to play. (First-half winner Trenton is in third place) -Pawtucket is in last place, 12.5 games out of first and 14.5 out of the wild card. They will likely be mathematically eliminated this week.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2019 12:06:38 GMT -5
Albert Feliz left the DSL Red Sox1 game - The second out of the second inning was a 3-1 ground out. His position didn't come up in the top of the third, then didn't come out to the field for the bottom of the inning. Daniel Belen (who was DH) came in, so the Sox lost their DH spot. Nixson Munoz and a trio of relievers have a two-hitter through eight.
GCL Sox rained out.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2019 12:07:45 GMT -5
Eduardo Lopez is starting to creep up there in average
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Post by sittingstill on Aug 12, 2019 12:36:49 GMT -5
Anything up with Cody Scroggins? Looks like he hasn't appeared since 8/1.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2019 12:48:02 GMT -5
Anything up with Cody Scroggins? Looks like he hasn't appeared since 8/1. Wouldn’t shock me if they’re just letting him rest, he’s had past arm problems and pitched deep into the CWS
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2019 12:51:48 GMT -5
DSL Royals1 have lost, so the Red Sox1 are tied for first place.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 12, 2019 12:59:13 GMT -5
Anything up with Cody Scroggins? Looks like he hasn't appeared since 8/1. Wouldn’t shock me if they’re just letting him rest, he’s had past arm problems and pitched deep into the CWS Yeah my guess is that something tightened up and they're just shutting him down and starting up next year. Development time is a little less crucial for him at this stage in the season.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 12, 2019 14:07:04 GMT -5
Jimenez up to .367 at Lowell, just turned 19 years old
plus glove in the outfield and a plus plus arm. His speed is the fastest timed in the minors I believe, plus plus
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Aug 12, 2019 16:35:04 GMT -5
Jimenez up to .367 at Lowell, just turned 19 years old plus glove in the outfield and a plus plus arm. His speed is the fastest timed in the minors I believe, plus plus I think you must be confusing him with someone else? Your description of him on defense is far too generous. He's extremely raw defensively right now. Might eventually be a 55 or maybe better defender but his reads need a lot of work. This, of course, is fine given his age, but he's not a plus defender and doesn't have a 70 arm. OTOH, I think you're light on his speed, which is elite.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Aug 12, 2019 16:39:27 GMT -5
Playoff update: -With 17 games remaining, GCL Red Sox are tied for third place in the division, 4.5 games out of first place. Not quite sure what the procedure is going to be now that they are in three divisions rather than four, but if there is a wild card (rather than the top seed getting a bye), the Sox are three games behind the GCL Twins. www.milb.com/gulf-coast/events/playoff-proceduresGCL does have a wildcard.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 12, 2019 18:28:26 GMT -5
Jimenez up to .367 at Lowell, just turned 19 years old plus glove in the outfield and a plus plus arm. His speed is the fastest timed in the minors I believe, plus plus I think you must be confusing him with someone else? Your description of him on defense is far too generous. He's extremely raw defensively right now. Might eventually be a 55 or maybe better defender but his reads need a lot of work. This, of course, is fine given his age, but he's not a plus defender and doesn't have a 70 arm. OTOH, I think you're light on his speed, which is elite. According to Jason Pennini of prospects live, Jimenez flashed a plus plus arm “80 runner with some bat to ball skills but an overall unrefined game. It starts with the speed for Jimenez, who registered blazing run times as low as 3.86 from the left side. There is some step in the bucket with his lefty swing which helps him get down the line faster. Jimenez gets low and shrinks the zone in his base stance. It is a fairly wide base, and he keeps his hands back. The swing is very short to the ball but also inside-out and slappy with little intent to hit for power; Jimenez seems content with slapping low line drives the other way and does not use his lower half much. I have yet to see him pull it with authority. Jimenez has a bigger load when hitting righty lifting his front leg more; it looks more capable of producing power, but it is still only 30 raw. The bat to ball skills were pretty good and Jimenez has a decent feel for the zone. Jimenez is still learning to use his speed as a base runner: he had poor reads on both pitcher pickoffs and a stolen base attempts, getting gunned on a 2.24 pop. Last year he only stole 16/30 in the DSL, a league with pitcher/catcher batteries that should inflate SB totals. Defensively his speed plays big in CF, excellent rage. The routes were not the most direct, but they weren’t terrible. Jimenez also flashed a double-plus arm, throwing an absolute laser to third base in Friday night’s contest. That’ll play! Overall, we are looking at a potential everyday player. His pitcher reads should improve with more reps and coaching. How Jimenez development as a hitter will determine whether he is a role player or plays every day; he needs to show he can pull the ball with authority to succeed at higher levels.” Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/5117/great-gilberto-jimenez#ixzz5wQsD4igt
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 12, 2019 19:11:24 GMT -5
I think you must be confusing him with someone else? Your description of him on defense is far too generous. He's extremely raw defensively right now. Might eventually be a 55 or maybe better defender but his reads need a lot of work. This, of course, is fine given his age, but he's not a plus defender and doesn't have a 70 arm. OTOH, I think you're light on his speed, which is elite. According to Jason Pennini of prospects live, Jimenez flashed a plus plus arm “80 runner with some bat to ball skills but an overall unrefined game. It starts with the speed for Jimenez, who registered blazing run times as low as 3.86 from the left side. There is some step in the bucket with his lefty swing which helps him get down the line faster. Jimenez gets low and shrinks the zone in his base stance. It is a fairly wide base, and he keeps his hands back. The swing is very short to the ball but also inside-out and slappy with little intent to hit for power; Jimenez seems content with slapping low line drives the other way and does not use his lower half much. I have yet to see him pull it with authority. Jimenez has a bigger load when hitting righty lifting his front leg more; it looks more capable of producing power, but it is still only 30 raw. The bat to ball skills were pretty good and Jimenez has a decent feel for the zone. Jimenez is still learning to use his speed as a base runner: he had poor reads on both pitcher pickoffs and a stolen base attempts, getting gunned on a 2.24 pop. Last year he only stole 16/30 in the DSL, a league with pitcher/catcher batteries that should inflate SB totals. Defensively his speed plays big in CF, excellent rage. The routes were not the most direct, but they weren’t terrible. Jimenez also flashed a double-plus arm, throwing an absolute laser to third base in Friday night’s contest. That’ll play! Overall, we are looking at a potential everyday player. His pitcher reads should improve with more reps and coaching. How Jimenez development as a hitter will determine whether he is a role player or plays every day; he needs to show he can pull the ball with authority to succeed at higher levels.” Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/5117/great-gilberto-jimenez#ixzz5wQsD4igtThe flashing a double-plus arm thing is definitely a positive but making one throw does not mean he actually has that right now. And your bolded section about the defense does not mean he's a plus defender, it just means that his speed will help make up for less than optimal instincts, which are alluded to in the very next sentence.
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Post by sittingstill on Aug 12, 2019 19:23:53 GMT -5
Wouldn’t shock me if they’re just letting him rest, he’s had past arm problems and pitched deep into the CWS Yeah my guess is that something tightened up and they're just shutting him down and starting up next year. Development time is a little less crucial for him at this stage in the season. Not shut down--he's pitching right now, as it turns out.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 12, 2019 19:46:56 GMT -5
According to Jason Pennini of prospects live, Jimenez flashed a plus plus arm “80 runner with some bat to ball skills but an overall unrefined game. It starts with the speed for Jimenez, who registered blazing run times as low as 3.86 from the left side. There is some step in the bucket with his lefty swing which helps him get down the line faster. Jimenez gets low and shrinks the zone in his base stance. It is a fairly wide base, and he keeps his hands back. The swing is very short to the ball but also inside-out and slappy with little intent to hit for power; Jimenez seems content with slapping low line drives the other way and does not use his lower half much. I have yet to see him pull it with authority. Jimenez has a bigger load when hitting righty lifting his front leg more; it looks more capable of producing power, but it is still only 30 raw. The bat to ball skills were pretty good and Jimenez has a decent feel for the zone. Jimenez is still learning to use his speed as a base runner: he had poor reads on both pitcher pickoffs and a stolen base attempts, getting gunned on a 2.24 pop. Last year he only stole 16/30 in the DSL, a league with pitcher/catcher batteries that should inflate SB totals. Defensively his speed plays big in CF, excellent rage. The routes were not the most direct, but they weren’t terrible. Jimenez also flashed a double-plus arm, throwing an absolute laser to third base in Friday night’s contest. That’ll play! Overall, we are looking at a potential everyday player. His pitcher reads should improve with more reps and coaching. How Jimenez development as a hitter will determine whether he is a role player or plays every day; he needs to show he can pull the ball with authority to succeed at higher levels.” Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/5117/great-gilberto-jimenez#ixzz5wQsD4igtThe flashing a double-plus arm thing is definitely a positive but making one throw does not mean he actually has that right now. And your bolded section about the defense does not mean he's a plus defender, it just means that his speed will help make up for less than optimal instincts, which are alluded to in the very next sentence. Yes, he’s no doubt raw in center, but he’s also only 19. Recently turned 19. Duran turns 23 in two weeks and is still being described as “raw” in CF by soxprospects Duran’s profile “Still raw; needs to continue developing in the outfield after switching from second base during his pro debut. Initially showed a slow first step in the outfield, struggling with initial reads. Was able to make up for that due to his speed, but clearly wasn’t comfortable” his arm arm is described as “fringe-average” which scares me so far in AA his ops is only .630 and he’s striking out at a near 24% rate. Since he has no power and doesn’t walk, that needs to change. Duran is a good prospect but I have questions if he will be good enough to start long term in cf at Fenway.
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 12, 2019 20:08:54 GMT -5
The flashing a double-plus arm thing is definitely a positive but making one throw does not mean he actually has that right now. And your bolded section about the defense does not mean he's a plus defender, it just means that his speed will help make up for less than optimal instincts, which are alluded to in the very next sentence. Yes, he’s no doubt raw in center, but he’s also only 19. Recently turned 19. Duran turns 23 in two weeks and is still being described as “raw” in CF by soxprospects Duran’s profile “Still raw; needs to continue developing in the outfield after switching from second base during his pro debut. Initially showed a slow first step in the outfield, struggling with initial reads. Was able to make up for that due to his speed, but clearly wasn’t comfortable” his arm arm is described as “fringe-average” which scares me so far in AA his ops is only .630 and he’s striking out at a near 24% rate. Since he has no power and doesn’t walk, that needs to change. Duran is a good prospect but I have questions if he will be good enough to start long term in cf at Fenway. He’s raw because he’s only spent a year or so in center field. He’s learning the position just like Jimenez. Gilberto has played 105 games in center field. Duran has only played 123.
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2019 20:32:05 GMT -5
The flashing a double-plus arm thing is definitely a positive but making one throw does not mean he actually has that right now. And your bolded section about the defense does not mean he's a plus defender, it just means that his speed will help make up for less than optimal instincts, which are alluded to in the very next sentence. Yes, he’s no doubt raw in center, but he’s also only 19. Recently turned 19. Duran turns 23 in two weeks and is still being described as “raw” in CF by soxprospects Duran’s profile “Still raw; needs to continue developing in the outfield after switching from second base during his pro debut. Initially showed a slow first step in the outfield, struggling with initial reads. Was able to make up for that due to his speed, but clearly wasn’t comfortable” his arm arm is described as “fringe-average” which scares me so far in AA his ops is only .630 and he’s striking out at a near 24% rate. Since he has no power and doesn’t walk, that needs to change. Duran is a good prospect but I have questions if he will be good enough to start long term in cf at Fenway. Age is irrelevant when discussing how each of them play in CF- they’ve both done it for pretty much the same amount of time Duran is starting to come around too. It’s his first year in the system- making it up to AA is pretty incredible
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2019 20:43:39 GMT -5
Chris Murphy has been quite dominant
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Aug 12, 2019 21:14:04 GMT -5
The flashing a double-plus arm thing is definitely a positive but making one throw does not mean he actually has that right now. And your bolded section about the defense does not mean he's a plus defender, it just means that his speed will help make up for less than optimal instincts, which are alluded to in the very next sentence. Yes, he’s no doubt raw in center, but he’s also only 19. Recently turned 19. Duran turns 23 in two weeks and is still being described as “raw” in CF by soxprospects Duran’s profile “Still raw; needs to continue developing in the outfield after switching from second base during his pro debut. Initially showed a slow first step in the outfield, struggling with initial reads. Was able to make up for that due to his speed, but clearly wasn’t comfortable” his arm arm is described as “fringe-average” which scares me so far in AA his ops is only .630 and he’s striking out at a near 24% rate. Since he has no power and doesn’t walk, that needs to change. Duran is a good prospect but I have questions if he will be good enough to start long term in cf at Fenway. Duran has been an outfielder for the same amount of time Jimenez has. Less, even. He's still learning but if Jimenez's speed will help cover up some of the mistakes, then Duran's will too. And there are been one-off reports of Duran flashing an average to above average arm as well so if you're going to take the word of a one game scouting report for Jimenez you have to be equally accepting of those for Duran. You can't just selectively ignore certain things because you are dead set on a couple prospects you like being good.
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 12, 2019 22:12:40 GMT -5
Jimenez up to .367 at Lowell, just turned 19 years old plus glove in the outfield and a plus plus arm. His speed is the fastest timed in the minors I believe, plus plus You left out one more plus...
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 12, 2019 22:40:12 GMT -5
Every so often I come across the pictures Kelly took of a camel at a Spinners game a couple years ago. And I just feel, for better or worse, like everyone needs to see a camel right now.
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Post by pd on Aug 12, 2019 22:41:12 GMT -5
I think you must be confusing him with someone else? Your description of him on defense is far too generous. He's extremely raw defensively right now. Might eventually be a 55 or maybe better defender but his reads need a lot of work. This, of course, is fine given his age, but he's not a plus defender and doesn't have a 70 arm. OTOH, I think you're light on his speed, which is elite. According to Jason Pennini of prospects live, Jimenez flashed a plus plus arm “80 runner with some bat to ball skills but an overall unrefined game. It starts with the speed for Jimenez, who registered blazing run times as low as 3.86 from the left side. There is some step in the bucket with his lefty swing which helps him get down the line faster. Jimenez gets low and shrinks the zone in his base stance. It is a fairly wide base, and he keeps his hands back. The swing is very short to the ball but also inside-out and slappy with little intent to hit for power; Jimenez seems content with slapping low line drives the other way and does not use his lower half much. I have yet to see him pull it with authority. Jimenez has a bigger load when hitting righty lifting his front leg more; it looks more capable of producing power, but it is still only 30 raw. The bat to ball skills were pretty good and Jimenez has a decent feel for the zone. Jimenez is still learning to use his speed as a base runner: he had poor reads on both pitcher pickoffs and a stolen base attempts, getting gunned on a 2.24 pop. Last year he only stole 16/30 in the DSL, a league with pitcher/catcher batteries that should inflate SB totals. Defensively his speed plays big in CF, excellent rage. The routes were not the most direct, but they weren’t terrible. Jimenez also flashed a double-plus arm, throwing an absolute laser to third base in Friday night’s contest. That’ll play! Overall, we are looking at a potential everyday player. His pitcher reads should improve with more reps and coaching. How Jimenez development as a hitter will determine whether he is a role player or plays every day; he needs to show he can pull the ball with authority to succeed at higher levels.” Read more: forum.soxprospects.com/thread/5117/great-gilberto-jimenez#ixzz5wQsD4igtThe combination of excellent rage and ability to throw lasers has me worried. Do we need to call Captain America?
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Post by cdj on Aug 12, 2019 22:44:14 GMT -5
Every so often I come across the pictures Kelly took of a camel at a Spinners game a couple years ago. And I just feel, for better or worse, like everyone needs to see a camel right now. Look of determination is plus plus
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Aug 12, 2019 22:45:52 GMT -5
Jimenez up to .367 at Lowell, just turned 19 years old plus glove in the outfield and a plus plus arm. His speed is the fastest timed in the minors I believe, plus plus You left out one more plus... Shouldn't that be "Plus, you left out one more plus..." ? Still though, less pluses than Westmoreland but likely the most exciting prospect at Lowell since.
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Post by sibbysisti on Aug 13, 2019 7:21:03 GMT -5
Every so often I come across the pictures Kelly took of a camel at a Spinners game a couple years ago. And I just feel, for better or worse, like everyone needs to see a camel right now. Bringing it back may help the Spinners get over the hump.
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