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8/16-8/18 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 16, 2019 20:02:27 GMT -5
Aggressive....i like it.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 16, 2019 20:04:25 GMT -5
I love Benny, but I’m a bit irked with him. He is going to end with pretty good numbers, but when they needed him he was baaad. Feels like this season a few in the lineup will have deceptively good stats. it appears as though it was a swing flaw, which is hard to put blame on him squarely. Could be easy to get into bad habits.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 16, 2019 20:42:51 GMT -5
middle of page 2??? Was catching up on Handmaid's Tale. Lots of nice things seem to be going on in Fenway tonight. Good.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 20:49:22 GMT -5
I'll take credit Owings good mojo after mentioning him as a bench option for 2020. Lol.
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Post by Guidas on Aug 16, 2019 20:53:58 GMT -5
Great win!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 21:01:17 GMT -5
Don't look now, but the Sox are 6 and a half back of the second wild card.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 16, 2019 21:04:25 GMT -5
Maybe the consistent inconsistency is about to take a break and we can ride these wins for awhile
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Post by kjkramer on Aug 16, 2019 21:23:44 GMT -5
If Houston takes care of Oakland.... we might just be back in this race
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 16, 2019 21:31:39 GMT -5
Devers EV: 94.6, 105.4, 96.6, 108.4.
He now has 4 straight games with 2 or more balls of 103+. It so happens that, once you've made contact, hitting the ball 103+ is almost exactly as hard as getting an extra base hit (13.3% versus 12.9% this year), so I seem to have stumbled on an excellent criterion for a very had hit ball.
In 17 AB, he has 11 balls of 103+ and 1 strikeout. That ratio is 19.5 times better than average. The average player would have 1.7 balls that hard and 4 K's.
The odds of a consistently average player doing this by luck are 1 in 13,364,600.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 16, 2019 21:43:47 GMT -5
Getting really really tired of Porcello pitching like a AA pitcher all year. I'll take 1 run in 6 innings every game.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 22:12:37 GMT -5
Getting really really tired of Porcello pitching like a AA pitcher all year. I'll take 1 run in 6 innings every game. Yeah, wonderful. Against the Orioles, and got away with a lot of mistakes. He's pitched like crap all year. I'll take it, but Geeze.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 16, 2019 23:09:33 GMT -5
I'll take 1 run in 6 innings every game. Yeah, wonderful. Against the Orioles, and got away with a lot of mistakes. He's pitched like crap all year. I'll take it, but Geeze. 1st game in 15 that the Orioles scored 1 or less. They just scored 21 in a 4 game series against the Yankees. If the definition of a good pitcher is one that never makes mistakes, then you're looking for a fictional pitcher.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 16, 2019 23:18:40 GMT -5
Yeah, wonderful. Against the Orioles, and got away with a lot of mistakes. He's pitched like crap all year. I'll take it, but Geeze. 1st game in 15 that the Orioles scored 1 or less. They just scored 21 in a 4 game series against the Yankees. If the definition of a good pitcher is one that never makes mistakes, then you're looking for a fictional pitcher. I'm looking for a pitcher with a ERA under 5.
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Post by cutz on Aug 17, 2019 0:06:46 GMT -5
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Post by bluechip on Aug 17, 2019 2:08:03 GMT -5
I love Benny, but I’m a bit irked with him. He is going to end with pretty good numbers, but when they needed him he was baaad. Feels like this season a few in the lineup will have deceptively good stats. I don’t think the stats are deceptive. Xander, Devers, and Mookie (obviously a drop off from 2018, but still...) are having great years. Benintendi has hit over .300 since sometime in May. JD has been solid, though again there was a drop off from last year. The problem has been the rotation and the bullpen.
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Post by wildsox on Aug 17, 2019 2:44:04 GMT -5
Lakins looked good outta the pen. It’s too bad he doesn’t have the consistency to be counted on
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2019 5:52:31 GMT -5
My son is going to have a surprise on Sunday. We're taking him to his first baseball game - and it would be awesome if Chris Sale was pitching as opposed to seeing Brian Johnson, Andrew Cashner, etc. Your boy will see a good pitcher pitch, Champs. Sox stretching out Eovaldi is a great thing. They've been missing him all year in the rotation.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Aug 17, 2019 6:39:55 GMT -5
Don't look now, but the Sox are 6 and a half back of the second wild card. You're right -- I don't want to look at that. It's ugly. That hit by Devers in his first AB last night was ridiculous. Totally fooled and out on his front foot, he sort of waved his bat at a low outside pitch. Anyone else, that's some weak popup or grounder, or if one is lucky, a bloop that drifts over the infield. For Devers, it's a bullet liner off the Wall that gives him no chance at a double. How does someone DO that? The man must have extraordinarily strong arms/wrists. And to look at him, his lower body is where the real strength lies.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2019 6:59:12 GMT -5
Don't look now, but the Sox are 6 and a half back of the second wild card. You're right -- I don't want to look at that. It's ugly. It's not great, but the talent is good enough to rip off 10 wins in the next 12 games against the terrible opponents coming up. That could really make things interesting. Add- I hope the Sox get within one game in the last 3 games of the year. They play Baltimore to end the year. Just get it to one game by the last series of September and there's your layup.
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2019 8:32:41 GMT -5
I love Benny, but I’m a bit irked with him. He is going to end with pretty good numbers, but when they needed him he was baaad. Feels like this season a few in the lineup will have deceptively good stats. I don’t think the stats are deceptive. Xander, Devers, and Mookie (obviously a drop off from 2018, but still...) are having great years. Benintendi has hit over .300 since sometime in May. JD has been solid, though again there was a drop off from last year. The problem has been the rotation and the bullpen. His first half numbers were .274/.351/.433. 27 games in March/April, he batted .265 and slugged .412 24 games in May, he batted .250 and slugged .420 So I’d say his first 51 games he was not good. And that 1/3 of a season pretty much doomed the Sox (I don’t mean his performance... the team’s overall terrible start, to which he contributed).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2019 8:43:55 GMT -5
My son is going to have a surprise on Sunday. We're taking him to his first baseball game - and it would be awesome if Chris Sale was pitching as opposed to seeing Brian Johnson, Andrew Cashner, etc. Your boy will see a good pitcher pitch, Champs. Sox stretching out Eovaldi is a great thing. They've been missing him all year in the rotation. Pedro, I really was hoping for Sale. 60 pitches of Eovaldi in 2019 followed by the bullpen isn't something I'm particularly thrilled about. At this point I don't really care that much if he gets stretched out for the rotation this season or not. I don't really think it's going to matter. At this point I want to see what Sales does going forward and see how gaudy the hitting statistics look at the end of the year. (I think just about every team has some gaudy power statistics going on this year. Everybody is pounding 25 homers this year.) I think my boy will see offense. I suspect there will be homers - the Orioles pitching staff is particularly prone to them. They don't have anybody good going either (Means and Woj are the only guys they have that can shut the sox down). So it will be a long game full of scoring I suspect. Just hope the good guys prevail and that it doesn't go on too long and that the weather cooperates. Go Sox!
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Post by Canseco on Aug 17, 2019 10:08:53 GMT -5
If it’s anything like my father taking me to my first Fenway game, the pitching matchup—and even the outcome—won’t matter much. Just experiencing the ballpark sights, sounds, smells, etc. hooked me instantly. The experience alone will be something he’ll never forget.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2019 10:37:01 GMT -5
I don’t think the stats are deceptive. Xander, Devers, and Mookie (obviously a drop off from 2018, but still...) are having great years. Benintendi has hit over .300 since sometime in May. JD has been solid, though again there was a drop off from last year. The problem has been the rotation and the bullpen. His first half numbers were .274/.351/.433. 27 games in March/April, he batted .265 and slugged .412 24 games in May, he batted .250 and slugged .420 So I’d say his first 51 games he was not good. And that 1/3 of a season pretty much doomed the Sox (I don’t mean his performance... the team’s overall terrible start, to which he contributed). I dunno, your argument seems kind of weird here. -Through the end of May the Red Sox were 29-28, and hardly "doomed." As recently as July 28th they were in position for a wild card slot, so obviously they couldn't have been out of it at the end of May. -To the extent they were self-boned by the bad start, it was really when they went 6-13 at the beginning. Through that stretch Benintendi hit .293/.364/.448 - a little light on power but hardly terrible (110 wRC+). The bad start really had nothing to do with him. -But when the Sox really dropped out of the race was the 3-12 stretch from July 28th to August 12th. Benintendi hit .361/.409/.623 during that stretch. -Between the two awful stretches, when the Red Sox went 53-34, Benintendi was fairly mediocre: .272/.352/.443. So it's almost the opposite of what you're saying - he's been better when the Sox have been worse overall, and worse when the team's been better. But just conceptually it's a strange argument to make. If a player goes good when the team's going good, then he's... part of what's helping the team to be good. If he's going good when the team's going bad, then he prevents them from being even worse. However a player's contributions are distributed over the course of a season, they help to pretty much the same degree. ADD: I guess I'm probably taking this too literally. It's just been a running pet peeve of mine all season that the offense has been blamed for the sins of the pitchers. (Side note: still 2nd in runs scored, after the Gio Urshela-led Yankees. And did you know that Mookie Betts is 7th in the AL in WAR, with two other Red Sox ahead of him? Did you know JD Martinez is 10th in wRC+?)
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2019 11:13:20 GMT -5
His first half numbers were .274/.351/.433. 27 games in March/April, he batted .265 and slugged .412 24 games in May, he batted .250 and slugged .420 So I’d say his first 51 games he was not good. And that 1/3 of a season pretty much doomed the Sox (I don’t mean his performance... the team’s overall terrible start, to which he contributed). I dunno, your argument seems kind of weird here. -Through the end of May the Red Sox were 29-28, and hardly "doomed." As recently as July 28th they were in position for a wild card slot, so obviously they couldn't have been out of it at the end of May. -To the extent they were self-boned by the bad start, it was really when they went 6-13 at the beginning. Through that stretch Benintendi hit .293/.364/.448 - a little light on power but hardly terrible (110 wRC+). The bad start really had nothing to do with him. -But when the Sox really dropped out of the race was the 3-12 stretch from July 28th to August 12th. Benintendi hit .361/.409/.623 during that stretch. -Between the two awful stretches, when the Red Sox went 53-34, Benintendi was fairly mediocre: .272/.352/.443. So it's almost the opposite of what you're saying - he's been better when the Sox have been worse overall, and worse when the team's been better. But just conceptually it's a strange argument to make. If a player goes good when the team's going good, then he's... part of what's helping the team to be good. If he's going good when the team's going bad, then he prevents them from being even worse. However a player's contributions are distributed over the course of a season, they help to pretty much the same degree. ADD: I guess I'm probably taking this too literally. It's just been a running pet peeve of mine all season that the offense has been blamed for the sins of the pitchers. (Side note: still 2nd in runs scored, after the Gio Urshela-led Yankees. And did you know that Mookie Betts is 7th in the AL in WAR, with two other Red Sox ahead of him? Did you know JD Martinez is 10th in wRC+?) I am not blaming Benny. Frankly, he has not become an important enough player to earn blame. If all was right, he could be pretty bad and the Sox’d be fine. My point is just that I am mildly irked that a bunch of guys are going to end the season with good but soft numbers. Mookie and JD fall in the same camp... they didn’t show when needed. Obviously none of this absolves the pitching. But to their “credit” they’ve sucked from start to finish.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 17, 2019 11:43:17 GMT -5
I dunno, your argument seems kind of weird here. -Through the end of May the Red Sox were 29-28, and hardly "doomed." As recently as July 28th they were in position for a wild card slot, so obviously they couldn't have been out of it at the end of May. -To the extent they were self-boned by the bad start, it was really when they went 6-13 at the beginning. Through that stretch Benintendi hit .293/.364/.448 - a little light on power but hardly terrible (110 wRC+). The bad start really had nothing to do with him. -But when the Sox really dropped out of the race was the 3-12 stretch from July 28th to August 12th. Benintendi hit .361/.409/.623 during that stretch. -Between the two awful stretches, when the Red Sox went 53-34, Benintendi was fairly mediocre: .272/.352/.443. So it's almost the opposite of what you're saying - he's been better when the Sox have been worse overall, and worse when the team's been better. But just conceptually it's a strange argument to make. If a player goes good when the team's going good, then he's... part of what's helping the team to be good. If he's going good when the team's going bad, then he prevents them from being even worse. However a player's contributions are distributed over the course of a season, they help to pretty much the same degree. ADD: I guess I'm probably taking this too literally. It's just been a running pet peeve of mine all season that the offense has been blamed for the sins of the pitchers. (Side note: still 2nd in runs scored, after the Gio Urshela-led Yankees. And did you know that Mookie Betts is 7th in the AL in WAR, with two other Red Sox ahead of him? Did you know JD Martinez is 10th in wRC+?) I am not blaming Benny. Frankly, he has not become an important enough player to earn blame. If all was right, he could be pretty bad and the Sox’d be fine. My point is just that I am mildly irked that a bunch of guys are going to end the season with good but soft numbers. Mookie and JD fall in the same camp... they didn’t show when needed. Obviously none of this absolves the pitching. But to their “credit” they’ve sucked from start to finish. Mookie did kind of suck during the bad stretches. But JDM hit .404/.500/.772 during the 3-12 stretch. And he hit .352/.425/.592 during the 6-13 stretch. You're really trying to squeeze milk from a stone here.
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