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Sale to IL
Aug 17, 2019 16:42:14 GMT -5
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Post by soxinnj on Aug 17, 2019 16:42:14 GMT -5
Elbow inflammation.
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Post by Smittyw on Aug 17, 2019 17:07:45 GMT -5
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Post by cdj on Aug 17, 2019 17:13:36 GMT -5
Well that is absolutely horrible news
TJ incoming
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 17, 2019 17:31:23 GMT -5
Well that is absolutely horrible news TJ incoming Wouldn't be shocking. This could be the cherry on top of a s**t sundae which is the 2019 season. What worries me is will this spill into the 2020 season? And it very well could. And that would put the Red Sox in a very tenuous position with their starting pitching as they try to hang onto Mookie. They'd have to replace Sale in the rotation, Porcello in the rotation, and hope Eovaldi stays healthy next season. That's a very tall order and they would need to replace these guys cheaply. Boy I hope he doesn't need TJS.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 17, 2019 17:48:24 GMT -5
Season over again. Wonderful.
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Post by tizzle on Aug 17, 2019 17:58:43 GMT -5
Great contract decision.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2019 18:05:13 GMT -5
Awesome contract. At least now we know he won't be better in 2020.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 17, 2019 18:08:01 GMT -5
This is bad news. And sure to bring out some interesting posts.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2019 18:21:39 GMT -5
Well that is absolutely horrible news TJ incoming Wouldn't be shocking. This could be the cherry on top of a s**t sundae which is the 2019 season. What worries me is will this spill into the 2020 season? And it very well could. And that would put the Red Sox in a very tenuous position with their starting pitching as they try to hang onto Mookie. They'd have to replace Sale in the rotation, Porcello in the rotation, and hope Eovaldi stays healthy next season. That's a very tall order and they would need to replace these guys cheaply. Boy I hope he doesn't need TJS. Well if he needs TJS, his 2020 is also over.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2019 18:23:26 GMT -5
Awesome contract. At least now we know he won't be better in 2020. And just as easily, they could have tried to replace Sale with Cole who then needed TJS immediately. That's how it is with pitchers. What should they do instead? Not have any? Not try to have good ones?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2019 18:38:48 GMT -5
Awesome contract. At least now we know he won't be better in 2020. And just as easily, they could have tried to replace Sale with Cole who then needed TJS immediately. That's how it is with pitchers. What should they do instead? Not have any? Not try to have good ones? Wait until the season is over and pay extra if need be. The fact he had a bad season (before his contract kicked in, and bad by his standards) and now missing year 1 of the extension isn't great. He really needs to dominate in the 4 years after.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2019 18:40:59 GMT -5
And just as easily, they could have tried to replace Sale with Cole who then needed TJS immediately. That's how it is with pitchers. What should they do instead? Not have any? Not try to have good ones? Wait until the season is over and pay extra if need be. The fact he had a bad season (before his contract kicked in, and bad by his standards) and now missing year 1 of the extension isn't great. He really needs to dominate in the 4 years after. Because you knew damn well that he'd have a bad year and then need TJS at the end of it and not win the Cy Young and cost twice as much.
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Sale to IL
Aug 17, 2019 18:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 17, 2019 18:41:10 GMT -5
Hopefully it is just a strain or something. I’d shut him down regardless.
If it is TJ, it is a bummer, but he could potentially be throwing rehab games next season and be his ol’ self by 2021. The Lackey scenario.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2019 18:43:53 GMT -5
Wait until the season is over and pay extra if need be. The fact he had a bad season (before his contract kicked in, and bad by his standards) and now missing year 1 of the extension isn't great. He really needs to dominate in the 4 years after. Because you knew damn well that he'd have a bad year and then need TJS at the end of it and not win the Cy Young and cost twice as much. I've said since the beginning I didn't like the deal so it's not hindsight. He's going to be over 30. He was gassed at the end of 2 years ago and got hurt at the end of last year. They completely babied him this year to try and preserve his arm. That's not a great optic for a 5 year extension when he's getting older. Now we know the skinny guy with a violent delivery needs TJ.
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 17, 2019 18:48:01 GMT -5
And you changed your mind when you were told it was $25.6M AAV and were fine with it.
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Post by ericmvan on Aug 17, 2019 19:02:20 GMT -5
The last thing I did before seeing the story was check out how the A's did against the Astros this afternoon, which of course got me pissed.
Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up on giving up on the season.
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Sale to IL
Aug 17, 2019 19:04:45 GMT -5
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2019 19:04:45 GMT -5
And you changed your mind when you were told it was $25.6M AAV and were fine with it. I still said I'd have preferred to have waited, but ok with the deal at the time. This is obviously a failed contract unless he really tears it up his last 4 years. It's a very big miss to be paying this kind of money now to a guy who is missing year 1 of his deal with concerns of breaking down.
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Sale to IL
Aug 17, 2019 19:22:49 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 17, 2019 19:22:49 GMT -5
You can't predict baseball, Suzyn....
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Post by tizzle on Aug 17, 2019 19:29:59 GMT -5
You can't predict baseball, Suzyn.... You can predict that a guy who breaks down at the end of every single season is going to be fr more likely to break down than players who don't have such a history. I love Sale, love watching him pitch, loved the trade for him, was super excited that I got to see him in the World Series game I went to. But that was a flat-out dumb contract. It was obviously a bad investment the second it was inked.
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Sale to IL
Aug 17, 2019 19:32:25 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 17, 2019 19:32:25 GMT -5
You can't predict baseball, Suzyn.... You can predict that a guy who breaks down at the end of every single season is going to be fr more likely to break down than players who don't have such a history. I love Sale, love watching him pitch, loved the trade for him, was super excited that I got to see him in the World Series game I went to. But that was a flat-out dumb contract. It was obviously a bad investment the second it was inked. Well Dombrowski may be gone....See if they are taking interviews...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 17, 2019 19:36:59 GMT -5
You can't predict baseball, Suzyn.... You can predict that a guy who breaks down at the end of every single season is going to be fr more likely to break down than players who don't have such a history. I love Sale, love watching him pitch, loved the trade for him, was super excited that I got to see him in the World Series game I went to. But that was a flat-out dumb contract. It was obviously a bad investment the second it was inked. It's interesting how tight lipped the organization and Sale were about his shoulder last season, how Chris Sale accepted a contract in his walk year, and how the Red Sox had him soft tossing in April to live hitters (which, I'd be pissed if I was a fan going to the game). It just seems like both sides knew Sale was a health concern moving forward. I doubt they suspected TJ was on the horizon, but just adding it up I did wonder why Sale accepted an extension.
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Post by ortiz34 on Aug 17, 2019 20:12:07 GMT -5
You can't predict baseball, Suzyn.... You can predict that a guy who breaks down at the end of every single season is going to be fr more likely to break down than players who don't have such a history. I love Sale, love watching him pitch, loved the trade for him, was super excited that I got to see him in the World Series game I went to. But that was a flat-out dumb contract. It was obviously a bad investment the second it was inked. Alright so who are you going to replace him with if you let Sale go? Don't say Cole as teams are going to pay stupid money. Newsflash, there was no plan B behind Sale. We had money issues to begin with, and Sale was willing to sign a reasonable contract. Add in the fact that our plan A in our Minor League System is coming of TJS and we have no plan B there either. It sucks and you could monday QB about how you would do things different, but it was the right move at the time. Don't give up on Sale either. I trust him to come back. It will be hard, but he is going to work hard to come back.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 17, 2019 20:49:15 GMT -5
Because you knew damn well that he'd have a bad year and then need TJS at the end of it and not win the Cy Young and cost twice as much. I've said since the beginning I didn't like the deal so it's not hindsight. He's going to be over 30. He was gassed at the end of 2 years ago and got hurt at the end of last year. They completely babied him this year to try and preserve his arm. That's not a great optic for a 5 year extension when he's getting older. Now we know the skinny guy with a violent delivery needs TJ.LOL, after 1600 innings of a 3.03 ERA, the "Chris Sale is going to get hurt" crew is finally vindicated.
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Post by Don Caballero on Aug 17, 2019 20:56:25 GMT -5
You can predict that a guy who breaks down at the end of every single season is going to be fr more likely to break down than players who don't have such a history. I love Sale, love watching him pitch, loved the trade for him, was super excited that I got to see him in the World Series game I went to. But that was a flat-out dumb contract. It was obviously a bad investment the second it was inked. This wasn't such an inevitability, this is something that could happen with any pitcher. You don't let Sale walk because you think he's going to get injured eventually, the fact that he did doesn't prove the decision was wrong. Take the Steph Curry contract as an example, at the time it was scrutinized because he was injury prone and a lot of talking heads didn't think his ankles would hold. Look what happened. Injuries are not an exact science and it's certainly not one that is done by the eye test.
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Post by soxjim on Aug 17, 2019 21:02:42 GMT -5
Well this is terrible news. Even if it turns out that he doesn't need surgery each year we've had Sale their is some sort of drama between his effectiveness/ wearing down and injury as the season winds down. Even with Chisox it was said he faded down the stretch. And we know he has a violent delivery. What makes us think the injuries and the fading down the stretch are going to stop as he gets older?
OFC got to see how season plays out not only for Sale but how good can ERod be? And can Eovaldi show he is a stud? Lots of things to consider but now I've slightly turned from not trading Betts unless it is something super to "a lean towards trading him" for as best as we can start pitching prospect or have an ability to get one by a 3-way trade etc. I say "lean" -- but i doesn't mean "for sure." ERod and Eovaldi and even Sale could look terrific in Sept and if that happens keep Mookie for sure.
I juts have less confidence in Sale than I had last week and a month ago etc. Sale has a violent delivery. That cannot be ignored. We can overcome it though if ERod and Eovaldi have significant either "1/2" caliber juice and especially if it turns out Sale is okay. But I'm skeptical all will fall perfectly into place as I've just described. If it isn't-- I want to try to get a future stud pitcher.
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