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9/6-9/9 Red Sox vs. Yankees Series Thread
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 20:16:15 GMT -5
And the MFY's with another soft tissue / muscle injury where a guy is out for the rest of the season. Does anyone see a pattern here ?? Who's out? (I know Hicks is) Tauchman.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 20:18:08 GMT -5
ERod pitched very well, but no chance at the win. this year has definitely been one of the more frustrating good offenses i can recall the Sox having in a while. He really has pitched well over the last 10 or 15 starts (and in general this year). Happy for him and the Sox, hope he can carry it forward for a few years.
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Post by cutz on Sept 9, 2019 20:31:13 GMT -5
Who's out? (I know Hicks is) Tauchman. Thanks He's no loss for them
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 20:35:21 GMT -5
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Post by cutz on Sept 9, 2019 20:37:15 GMT -5
If you run THROUGH the Bag you might've been safe, Holt
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 9, 2019 20:39:37 GMT -5
If you run THROUGH the Bag you might've been safe, Holt he looked very slow on that play, shocked he couldn't beat it out
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Post by Coreno on Sept 9, 2019 21:01:14 GMT -5
Thanks He's no loss for them 4th on the team in bWAR in just over half a season. But, I guess you're right in that they'll just find some other AAAA nobody to pull a Gio Urshela / Luke Voit.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 9, 2019 21:01:26 GMT -5
Thanks He's no loss for them They're a whole team of Mike Tauchmans. It's Judge, Sanchez, and like 6 Mike Tauchmans. So on the one hand, doesn't look like a big loss for them. But on the other hand, guys like him have been a the cornerstsones of their success. I suppose, though, they'll just find another Mike Tauchman in the dung heap to replace him. Strange to say, but I feel like not enough annoyance gets expressed around here about the Yankees season. It's the most irritating and confounding thing I've ever seen.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 21:01:35 GMT -5
in a season of unexpected frustrations, this one is probably the worst for me.
5-14 vs the MFY's this year (if tonight remains the same)
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 9, 2019 21:08:38 GMT -5
Thanks He's no loss for them They're a whole team of Mike Tauchmans. It's Judge, Sanchez, and like 6 Mike Tauchmans. So on the one hand, doesn't look like a big loss for them. But on the other hand, guys like him have been a the cornerstsones of their success. I suppose, though, they'll just find another Mike Tauchman in the dung heap to replace him. Strange to say, but I feel like not enough annoyance gets expressed around here about the Yankees season. It's the most irritating and confounding thing I've ever seen. yeah. I think i haven't really been able to shake the confusion of our season enough to make more mention of it. I just hope that they don't win it all. Then I will be a real foul human for a period of time.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Sept 9, 2019 21:21:39 GMT -5
Fire Romero.
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Post by cutz on Sept 9, 2019 21:29:07 GMT -5
Thanks He's no loss for them They're a whole team of Mike Tauchmans. It's Judge, Sanchez, and like 6 Mike Tauchmans. So on the one hand, doesn't look like a big loss for them. But on the other hand, guys like him have been a the cornerstsones of their success. I suppose, though, they'll just find another Mike Tauchman in the dung heap to replace him. Strange to say, but I feel like not enough annoyance gets expressed around here about the Yankees season. It's the most irritating and confounding thing I've ever seen. That's what i meant. They could put any of us out ther and probably produce, the way their year is going.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 9, 2019 21:37:56 GMT -5
gorkys still has a batting average of .000 and i feel like Coras been playing him a bunch...ahh well, another great effort tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 9, 2019 21:38:47 GMT -5
The way the Red Sox played the Yankees this year was disgusting. That 5-14 record alone tells you all you need to know about what the 2019 Red Sox are.
8-11 would be your normal expectation given the standings, but 5-14???!!! That's flat out embarrassing and the Red Sox SHOULD be embarrassed by it.
Last year the Red Sox were only 10-9 against the Yankees but it didn't matter. They won the games that totally mattered. They finished off the Yankees at Fenway 4 straight when the division was on the line, spilled champagne when they clinched the east all over Yankee Stadium, and then did it all over again when they were eliminated.
Not only that, you had Brasier telling Sanchez to get his butt back in the box and then backing it up. You had the Yankees trolling the Red Sox and the Red Sox shoving it back up their butts when celebrating their ALDS victory and then rubbing their noses in it again when they won the World Series.
I would say the Yankees got sufficiently motivated to really beat the hell out of the Red Sox this year and they've succeeded. Houston is a better ballclub but the Yankees have what it takes to win the World Series. Their statement against the Red Sox says a lot. They could have let themselves be intimidated or get revenge and they did the latter. I know people don't want to hear it, but the Yankees have a really good shot at winning the Series, even with their questionable starting pitching and a superior Astros team (a team which has lost a larger pct of closer games).
Ultimately the Yankees are a measuring stick for the Red Sox and the converse of that is true too. It shows that the Yankees are great at finding ways to win this year while the Red Sox are good for finding ways to lose.
I hope the 2020 Red Sox don't pull this type of crap against the Yankees next year.
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 9, 2019 21:43:05 GMT -5
from historic greatness to .....this
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Post by kjkramer on Sept 9, 2019 21:58:58 GMT -5
This team has officially started mailing these games in. Sad
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Post by cdj on Sept 9, 2019 22:33:37 GMT -5
Fans watching football on the screens in the crowd tonight
Just a sickening display from top to bottom in the last 24 hours from everybody associated with the team
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 9, 2019 23:42:53 GMT -5
Fans watching football on the screens in the crowd tonight Just a sickening display from top to bottom in the last 24 hours from everybody associated with the team I don't blame the fans for that. The game was lifeless and misserable.
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Post by soxjim on Sept 9, 2019 23:43:34 GMT -5
Thanks He's no loss for them Strange to say, but I feel like not enough annoyance gets expressed around here about the Yankees season. It's the most irritating and confounding thing I've ever seen. Huh?? why would I waste my time talking about them unless we are beating the crap out of them?
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2019 8:26:11 GMT -5
Strange to say, but I feel like not enough annoyance gets expressed around here about the Yankees season. It's the most irritating and confounding thing I've ever seen. Huh?? why would I waste my time talking about them unless we are beating the crap out of them? My friend, you don't have to talk about one blessed thing you don't want to. I'm just saying, "Yankees season has been insanely improbable" has been relatively under-discussed.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2019 9:08:40 GMT -5
Huh?? why would I waste my time talking about them unless we are beating the crap out of them? My friend, you don't have to talk about one blessed thing you don't want to. I'm just saying, "Yankees season has been insanely improbable" has been relatively under-discussed. That's probably because very few want to acknowledge the real possibility that the Yankees are having the season (mostly) that the Red Sox had last year, where everybody comes through and things just work out - the intangible factor (I call it the IT factor whether some here like it or not). Houston is a better team than the Yankees and so are the Dodgers, but the Yankees are a real possibility to win the World Series this year. And it would really complete the sh!t sundae that 2019 has been if the Yankees win the Series. The only silver lining is that they won't be going through the Red Sox in the post-season to do it. No champagne will be spilled at Fenway or at the Sox' direct expense. So the Yankees had to settle for beating the tar out of the Red Sox in the regular season. I really hope Houston starts doing a better job of winning the close games that have eluded them this year once it's in the post-season because if not we will see the Yankees in the Series. The only silver lining for me this season would be if the Yankees don't win. I don't care how many Championships the Sox win. I still hate the Yankees and it makes my skin crawl to see them win the World Series.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 10, 2019 10:18:47 GMT -5
My friend, you don't have to talk about one blessed thing you don't want to. I'm just saying, "Yankees season has been insanely improbable" has been relatively under-discussed. That's probably because very few want to acknowledge the real possibility that the Yankees are having the season (mostly) that the Red Sox had last year, where everybody comes through and things just work out - the intangible factor (I call it the IT factor whether some here like it or not). Houston is a better team than the Yankees and so are the Dodgers, but the Yankees are a real possibility to win the World Series this year. And it would really complete the sh!t sundae that 2019 has been if the Yankees win the Series. The only silver lining is that they won't be going through the Red Sox in the post-season to do it. No champagne will be spilled at Fenway or at the Sox' direct expense. So the Yankees had to settle for beating the tar out of the Red Sox in the regular season. I really hope Houston starts doing a better job of winning the close games that have eluded them this year once it's in the post-season because if not we will see the Yankees in the Series. The only silver lining for me this season would be if the Yankees don't win. I don't care how many Championships the Sox win. I still hate the Yankees and it makes my skin crawl to see them win the World Series. There weren't many players on the 2018 Red Sox that no one in the league heard of (slight sarcasm) who had 3+ win seasons. The 2018 Red Sox had to make trades to fill holes and never filled some of them. The Yankees always have some other scrub to come in and put up a 120 wRC+ who never played in the majors before when they had injuries. It has happened an unbelievable number of times. Then you have DJ LeMahieu who had exactly one good season in his 9 year career before becoming an MVP candidate at age 31. He has hit about 1/3rd of his career home runs this year and he went there from Colorado. The 2018 Red Sox won 118 games mainly because of Mookie and JDM. If the 2019 Yankees won mainly because of Judge and Sanchez, it would be similar. I'm almost tempted to see how much every player on their team increased their wRC+ from last year to this year. A lot of them, it's more than 30 points. Gio Urshela had -0.7 fWAR in his career before this year (he's almost 28). He has 3.2 this season. This is a guy similar to Sam Travis until this season. This is the Yankees' 2019 season in a nutshell. Frankly, I didn't think the Yankees had any more souls to sell.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 10, 2019 12:42:03 GMT -5
My friend, you don't have to talk about one blessed thing you don't want to. I'm just saying, "Yankees season has been insanely improbable" has been relatively under-discussed. That's probably because very few want to acknowledge the real possibility that the Yankees are having the season (mostly) that the Red Sox had last year, where everybody comes through and things just work out - the intangible factor (I call it the IT factor whether some here like it or not). But see the crazy thing is that everything went wrong for the Yankees this year. They had a world-historical rash of injuries. They had no right whatsoever to have a good season. And then a bunch of complete nobodies ended up being better than all the stars that got injured. They have somehow simultaneously had one of the unluckiest and one of the luckiest seasons any team has had this century - in the same season! And like jimed says, it really isn't like the Red Sox. The Sox had guys... basically playing to their level. A few overperformers (Betts, JDM), a few underperformers (Devers, Vazquez, Nunez). And an impressive lack of injuries, plus some good karma, as ericvman calls it. It was just a good team having a really good season. The Yankees are a good team that got swapped out for a replacement squad that is somehow overperforming what the good team was expected to do.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 10, 2019 12:52:48 GMT -5
Maybe I'm not being clear.
I'm not saying the 2019 Yankees and 2018 Red Sox did things in the same exact way.
I am saying that you look at the 2018 Red Sox and you don't expect 108 regular season wins.
They had JDM and Mookie. As awesome as they were it doesn't figure that you have them plus what was four black holes/weaknesses in the lineup like they had for a lot of the season.
In other words if you dream up a 108 win Red Sox team, you're thinking the lineup will look like the 2003 version or the 1950 version (have fun looking up those stats!). Not a lineup that featured way too much Eduardo Nunez, JBJ not hitting for half the season, Devers actually being below average offensively (doubt we'll ever say that again), and three catchers who couldn't hit a lick.
They had a strong rotation obviously, but it was hardly historic. It wasn't like it was the 1971 Orioles or the 1986 Mets. Sale missed half the season. Price was good but had his ups and downs and the rest of the rotation was decent/good. But not the kind of rotation that makes you pencil in all of those wins.
That is a lot of mediocrity, the kind of thing you don't expect to see on a 108 win team, especially one with a bullpen that had Kimbrel and a ton of question marks during the regular season (and that did a 180 during the post-season).
As far as the Yankees go in 2019, watch five to ten of their best players drop and then watch a bunch of guys out of nowhere perform like MVPs/Cy Youngs (guys like Tauchman, Lemaheux, German, Urshela, and a bunch of others).
The point I'm making is if I told you the 2018 Red Sox had the weaknesses they did and win 108 games, you'd say how the hell is that possible?
Same point with the Yankees. If I told you they're losing their best hitter, Andujar, their best sluggers in Stanton (for most of the season) and Judge (for a portion of the season), their best starter in Severino, their best setup guy in Betances, and that everytime they lose a guy they'll have one come in and do even better, you'd be like how the hell is that possible?
Two different paths and reasons to be asking the same question - how the hell is that possible? The 2018 Red Sox and the 2019 Yankees.
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