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Red Sox GM Search & Other Front Office Moves
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 24, 2019 9:52:05 GMT -5
I don't want to be ageist here, but isn't Hughes about 80? He has a great reputation, but I don't think this is a brain drain situation. Wouldn't be surprised if it's something as simple as him personally liking Hazen and he wants to work with him in a semi-retired advisor role. I object to that but I don't remember why.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 24, 2019 11:14:14 GMT -5
Is it surprising that the hire hasn't happened yet ? We got like 1 week of the season left. What the hell is taking so long ?
Doesnt baseball prohibit this kind of announcement during playoffs ? And if so, does that mean the hire can't take place until after the playoffs ( i.e.) into November.
I guess as long as Tony is around, everything is aight !!!!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 24, 2019 11:25:17 GMT -5
It's been two weeks. You being serious?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2019 12:25:33 GMT -5
How valuable are major league scouts anymore with statcast data and every single game televised? I'd guess that 95% of what they do is redundant now. You want to know if a guy is a good fielder? You want to know what kind of pitches a batter has trouble with? You want to know how good of an arm a catcher has? Pickoff moves? Defensive reads? Power? Speed? Basestealing jumps? Statcast data tells you all of that.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 24, 2019 12:37:21 GMT -5
How valuable are major league scouts anymore with statcast data and every single game televised? I'd guess that 95% of what they do is redundant now. You want to know if a guy is a good fielder? You want to know what kind of pitches a batter has trouble with? You want to know how good of an arm a catcher has? Pickoff moves? Defensive reads? Power? Speed? Basestealing jumps? Statcast data tells you all of that. Statcast data sometimes presents conflicting information though. For a basic example, Jackie Bradley shows fantastic range but inefficient routes - so a scout can watch him and tell the difference between his routes circle him toward the ball in a way to put him into good position for throwing or adjusting if the wind plays with the ball, or a situation where a high percentage has to do with excellent positioning, which may be more team/coaching related than an individual skill.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 24, 2019 15:29:02 GMT -5
It's been two weeks. You being serious? I was being mostly serious, but i thought it had been a month or so, so my bad on that !!! But really, DD was hired within a few days of Cherington, wasn't he ? And isn't there a concern that MLB wont let the hire happen during the playoffs. that puts us square early November and right up against the GM meetings, no ?? We got guys leaving left and right, shouldnt there be more a sense of urgency ?
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2019 15:47:26 GMT -5
It's been two weeks. You being serious? I was being mostly serious, but i thought it had been a month or so, so my bad on that !!! But really, DD was hired within a few days of Cherington, wasn't he ? And isn't there a concern that MLB wont let the hire happen during the playoffs. that puts us square early November and right up against the GM meetings, no ?? We got guys leaving left and right, shouldnt there be more a sense of urgency ? Why wouldn't MLB let them hire during the playoffs? DDo was hired immediately because he became available and Henry was familiar with him and didn't bother with a search.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 24, 2019 16:21:00 GMT -5
I was being mostly serious, but i thought it had been a month or so, so my bad on that !!! But really, DD was hired within a few days of Cherington, wasn't he ? And isn't there a concern that MLB wont let the hire happen during the playoffs. that puts us square early November and right up against the GM meetings, no ?? We got guys leaving left and right, shouldnt there be more a sense of urgency ? Why wouldn't MLB let them hire during the playoffs? DDo was hired immediately because he became available and Henry was familiar with him and didn't bother with a search. I thought they had a rule that nothing like that could happen during playoffs, they don't like to take away from the games. Matter of fact, I remember A-Roid opted out or something during a playoff year and got scolded. Anyway, it seems like there isn't any news at all, except folks leaving.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2019 17:10:43 GMT -5
Why wouldn't MLB let them hire during the playoffs? DDo was hired immediately because he became available and Henry was familiar with him and didn't bother with a search. I thought they had a rule that nothing like that could happen during playoffs, they don't like to take away from the games. Matter of fact, I remember A-Roid opted out or something during a playoff year and got scolded. Anyway, it seems like there isn't any news at all, except folks leaving. There's no rule about it, and even if there was, they could still hire the guy and wait to announce it. They aren't waiting around.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 24, 2019 19:10:42 GMT -5
I thought they had a rule that nothing like that could happen during playoffs, they don't like to take away from the games. Matter of fact, I remember A-Roid opted out or something during a playoff year and got scolded. Anyway, it seems like there isn't any news at all, except folks leaving. There's no rule about it, and even if there was, they could still hire the guy and wait to announce it. They aren't waiting around. read below from this article. I know it isn't that recent. There is a waiver. I doubt a hire could happen without it being leaked. Just some added intrigue....that's all. I'll add that Chris mentioned the timing of baseball decisions after the World Series. There could be staff to hire. Like sands through the hourglass......... wtop.com/news/2014/09/whats-next-for-the-braves-after-firing-gm-wren/THE CLOCK IS TICKING: If the Braves don’t hire a new GM in the final week of the regular season, which seems unlikely, they would likely have to wait until after the playoffs. Major League Baseball has a rule against major news being announced during the postseason, though a team can ask for a waiver. The Braves would surely like to have someone in place by the general manager’s meetings, which will be held Nov. 10-12 in Phoenix. Then come the winter meetings, which are set for Dec. 8-11 in San Diego. Hart noted that the Braves must also be mindful of other teams in the market for a new GM, a list that includes only Atlanta and Arizona at the moment but could get longer after the season.
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Post by ortiz34 on Sept 24, 2019 21:38:18 GMT -5
No has brought it up...
@omfonweei . @loumerloni on Theo Epstein:
"I had someone tell me that Theo was in town Sunday night"
#DirtyWater #RedSox
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 24, 2019 21:43:31 GMT -5
That just makes me laugh hysterically. Don't really know why.
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Post by danr on Sept 24, 2019 22:00:44 GMT -5
It is interesting that the Cubs have the same run differential as the Cardinals, +104, but are out of the race and are five games behind the Brewers that have a 0 run differential. They also have lost seven in a row.
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Post by Smittyw on Sept 24, 2019 22:05:04 GMT -5
I thought they had a rule that nothing like that could happen during playoffs, they don't like to take away from the games. Matter of fact, I remember A-Roid opted out or something during a playoff year and got scolded. Anyway, it seems like there isn't any news at all, except folks leaving. There's no rule about it, and even if there was, they could still hire the guy and wait to announce it. They aren't waiting around.
Didn't the Red Sox literally hire Cora (official announcement and all) in the middle of the Astros playoff run, while he continued to serve as their bench coach? No one batted an eye.
I don't see why this would be any different.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 24, 2019 23:13:22 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 4:12:13 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 25, 2019 4:36:09 GMT -5
I would welcome Theo back. He's a very flawed GM when it comes to spending money, but he builds a team basically the way you want it to be done.
He's very creative. He understands windows and tries to maximize when he can.
It seems like it's his job if he wants it, but you have no idea if he wants it or if the Cubs will allow it.
He made so many critical mistakes, but he's also made so many beautiful moves too. He's not afraid to take risks, and that's exactly what the Sox GM has to do.
The Sox had 6 or 7 winning seasons out of 9 when he was the GM back then. He made the postseason 5 times and a near 6 in 2011. That's as good as it gets. The rules were different back then, but he's proven to build a team from even the ground up with the Cubs too.
If he ever fixes his free agency problems and his money spending problems, he'd be even better.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 25, 2019 7:38:53 GMT -5
I would welcome Theo back. He's a very flawed GM when it comes to spending money, but he builds a team basically the way you want it to be done. He's very creative. He understands windows and tries to maximize when he can. It seems like it's his job if he wants it, but you have no idea if he wants it or if the Cubs will allow it. He made so many critical mistakes, but he's also made so many beautiful moves too. He's not afraid to take risks, and that's exactly what the Sox GM has to do. The Sox had 6 or 7 winning seasons out of 9 when he was the GM back then. He made the postseason 5 times and a near 6 in 2011. That's as good as it gets. The rules were different back then, but he's proven to build a team from even the ground up with the Cubs too. If he ever fixes his free agency problems and his money spending problems, he'd be even better. I can get behind the Red Sox bringing back Theo. The Cubs are in a free fall. Some of it's bad luck - a lot of close losses, but the way they choked last season, blowing the division in the final weekend and then bowing out in the Wild Card game at home, and the way they collapsed this season in crunch time. I hate to say it but Theo, along with the Championships, has some collapses on his resume, too, now. And yes, the way he chooses to spend money in free agency is still dicey, and I believe that's what ultimately cost Ben Cherington his job, the signing of Hanley and Sandoval, which are the same issues Theo has had (Heyward, Chatwood, perhaps Kimbrel now as well, etc.) Once upon a time, I'd have been over the moon with the thought of the Sox getting Theo. To me, it's kind of akin to the feeling of excitement I had about 15 years ago or so when the Sox hired Bill James. Bill James was a trailblazer, the guy you wanted your forward thinking team to get. Now, I'm not quite as sure. There are other guys who have exceeded Bill James over the past fifteen years when it comes to statistical analysis. And I'm thinking that while Theo might have been one of the trailblazers for the modern ivy league statistically in-tune GMs, others have come along and might be currently doing it better - although to be fair, none of them have 3 championships on their resume. But the rules have changed since then. Theo can't stock up on draft picks through big $ thrown at the draft, nor can he let his free agent walk and collect two first round free agents in their place, nor would Boston be a total rebuild like the Cubs were when they were tanking on purpose. It's about tweaking and maintaining a strong team and building up the foundation without having to punt? Is that a bridge season I just described? lol So I'm fine with Theo coming back, but unlike in the past, I'd be alright too if they went in another direction. I mean, it's possible Theo was in Boston just visiting his relatives, but yeah, there seems to be some smoke that the new GM/POBO job will be an insider and there's nobody more inside than Theo, the one GM John Henry did NOT fire. And honestly it wouldn't shock me if the Cubs were ready to do a shake-up and fire Joe Maddon AND Theo Epstein, or at least let Theo explore his options - and if that's so, it would line up.
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Post by borisman on Sept 25, 2019 13:07:30 GMT -5
No has brought it up... @omfonweei . @loumerloni on Theo Epstein: "I had someone tell me that Theo was in town Sunday night" #DirtyWater #RedSox How would that someone know, unless he wasn't wearing his gorillas suit.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 25, 2019 13:15:13 GMT -5
It's been two weeks. You being serious? I was being mostly serious, but i thought it had been a month or so, so my bad on that !!! But really, DD was hired within a few days of Cherington, wasn't he ? And isn't there a concern that MLB wont let the hire happen during the playoffs. that puts us square early November and right up against the GM meetings, no ?? We got guys leaving left and right, shouldnt there be more a sense of urgency ? I looked this up for the last podcast: Dombrowski was actually hired as POBO while Cherington was still GM, and the news broke during the middle of a game. They told Cherington he could stay and report to DD, but there was no way he was going to do that.
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 25, 2019 13:22:09 GMT -5
Theo Epstein was hired on November 25th, and that team had an interim all season after firing Duquette at the start of Spring Training.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 25, 2019 13:27:06 GMT -5
Theo Epstein was hired on November 25th, and that team had an interim all season after firing Duquette at the start of Spring Training. How many people remember Mike Port, the interim GM? Theo was still involved that whole 2002 season. I think I recall reading in Moneyball something to the affect that Billy Beane spent a good deal of time that season trying to pry Red Sox prospect Kevin Youkilis away from the Red Sox, but Theo wasn't going to let that happen.
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Post by jamesmcgillstatue on Sept 25, 2019 20:09:21 GMT -5
It's been two weeks. You being serious? I was being mostly serious, but i thought it had been a month or so, so my bad on that !!! But really, DD was hired within a few days of Cherington, wasn't he ? And isn't there a concern that MLB wont let the hire happen during the playoffs. that puts us square early November and right up against the GM meetings, no ?? We got guys leaving left and right, shouldnt there be more a sense of urgency ? I may be misunderstanding everyone here, but the time line for DD and Cherington (and Lucky was this) 1 August 2015: Lucchino announces pending retirement as president/CEO and Sam Kennedy is named president (he was already COO and was not named CEO until 2018). 18 August 2015: Dombrowski is hired to new post of president/baseball operations and Cherington immediately resigns as evp/general manager; the news came out simultaneously and, as far as anyone has said, Cherington quit immediately after DD was installed as his boss. Apologies to all if I am missing the point; it wouldn't be the first time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 1:53:50 GMT -5
Theo Epstein is repeating the same things he said in Boston before he left here. He's repeating these lines in Chicago.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 26, 2019 2:32:20 GMT -5
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