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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 27, 2019 11:02:49 GMT -5
3 games to go: 16 Arizona 82-77 17 CHI Cubs 82-77 18 NY Mets 83-76 19 Boston 83-76 *note that the Red Sox lose all tiebreakers by virtue of having the best record in 2018. It's looking more likely that the Red Sox will pick 18 or 19. Dang, I wish the Sox wouldn't have been so good last year so we would have this tiebreaker.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 27, 2019 16:36:29 GMT -5
I can't wait until someone thinks you're serious.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 27, 2019 23:46:58 GMT -5
2 to go
16 Arizona 83-77 17 CHI Cubs 83-77 18 Boston 83-77 19 NY Mets 84-76
Sox lose out on any ties.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 28, 2019 9:56:46 GMT -5
2 to go 16 Arizona 83-77 17 CHI Cubs 83-77 18 Boston 83-77 19 NY Mets 84-76 Sox lose out on any ties. Getting to 16 would be awfully nice...adds a not-insignificant amount of bonus $.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2019 22:17:33 GMT -5
Mets won so they will draft after the Sox.
With one to go, the Sox are in the driver's seat:
16 Boston 83-78 17 Arizona 84-77 18 CHI Cubs 84-77
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 28, 2019 22:20:58 GMT -5
Mets won so they will draft after the Sox. With one to go, the Sox are in the driver's seat: 16 Boston 83-78 17 Arizona 84-77 18 CHI Cubs 84-77 Do we want to lose tomorrow and cement the 16th spot in the draft or do we want Rodriguez to win his 20th and perhaps fall to 18th in the draft?
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Post by kevfc89 on Sept 28, 2019 23:10:13 GMT -5
Mets won so they will draft after the Sox. With one to go, the Sox are in the driver's seat: 16 Boston 83-78 17 Arizona 84-77 18 CHI Cubs 84-77 Do we want to lose tomorrow and cement the 16th spot in the draft or do we want Rodriguez to win his 20th and perhaps fall to 18th in the draft? best case scenario is an ERod win, a Dbacks win and a Cubs win
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Post by ramireja on Sept 28, 2019 23:35:49 GMT -5
Not to be a buzzkill on the bonus $ difference, but I've seen it mentioned in multiple places. The bonus $ difference between say #16 and #19 is basically the difference in what you would pay the guy you select at 16 vs. 19.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 29, 2019 1:28:33 GMT -5
The bonus difference last year was about $620k. Add in the increased IFA money and you have the equivalent of a top 12ish SP prospect.
ADD: Essentially Lugo money when viewed as a whole.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 29, 2019 1:30:47 GMT -5
Do we want to lose tomorrow and cement the 16th spot in the draft or do we want Rodriguez to win his 20th and perhaps fall to 18th in the draft? best case scenario is an ERod win, a Dbacks win and a Cubs win Agree but if I had to chose one or the other, I'd rather have the 16th pick than the benchmarks for ERod, Betts and Devers.
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Post by orion09 on Sept 29, 2019 2:42:33 GMT -5
Not to be a buzzkill on the bonus $ difference, but I've seen it mentioned in multiple places. The bonus $ difference between say #16 and #19 is basically the difference in what you would pay the guy you select at 16 vs. 19. The bonus difference is one thing, but I'm also thinking about their top pick. No idea how true this is, but in my mind, there are rough tiers, like: 1) Pick #1-4 2) Pick #5-15 3) Pick #16-40 The closer they get to #16, the more likely they hit on one of those potential #1 guys who falls through the cracks, like Groome (#12) or Forrest Whitley (#17).
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 29, 2019 16:59:01 GMT -5
Arizona won and Chicago lost. So if the Red Sox win they pick 17th, but if they lose they pick 16th.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Sept 29, 2019 17:31:29 GMT -5
17th it is. The last five 17th overall picks:
2019: Jackson Rutledge ($3.61m slot) 2018: Jordyn Adams 2017: Evan White 2016: Forrest Whitley 2015: Brady Aiken
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Post by larrycook on Sept 29, 2019 20:30:39 GMT -5
it would be really nice if tanner burns falls to us at #17.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Sept 29, 2019 22:57:41 GMT -5
Currently sitting 17th on Fangraphs' board is Garrett Crochet, a lefty from Tennessee. The write up: "Crochet made a step forward this fall and has had a strong spring. At his best, he works 91-94 and flashes a 60 curveball. Some scouts think he's better than 2019 LHP at Kentucky, Zack Thompson"
A few other guys on the board I'm going to be interested in following, going mostly off the reports: - Garrett Mitchell, CF, UCLA (a little biased because I'm a UCLA alum, still really wish they would've taken one of the UCLA guys over Cannon)... "Scouts began discussing Mitchell as a possible first rounder when he was a high school sophomore because he had huge physical tools; power and speed" - Dylan Crews, HS OF... "Crews has a chance to be a 60 game power, prototype right fielder, and he is arguably the most advanced bat in the 2020 class, college or high school." - Tommy Mace, P, Florida... "Mace is a classic projection case at 6'6/200 that works in the low-90's and flashed above average stuff across the board with starter traits"
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Post by James Dunne on Sept 30, 2019 10:10:37 GMT -5
Tommy Mace had a 5.18 ERA and 67 Ks against 34 walks in 81 2/3 innings. This is a very pre-Moneyball version of "projectable" and I don't mean that as a compliment.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 1, 2019 8:22:29 GMT -5
17th it is. The last five 17th overall picks: 2019: Jackson Rutledge ($3.61m slot) 2018: Jordyn Adams 2017: Evan White 2016: Forrest Whitley 2015: Brady Aiken Some other notables at #17: 2013: Tim Anderson 2009: AJ Pollock 2003: David Murphy (Red Sox) 2002: Cole Hamels 1999: Rick Asadoorian (Red Sox) 1998: Brad Lidge 1997: John Curtice (Red Sox) 1995: Roy Halladay 1990: Jeromy Burnitz 1989: Cal Eldred 1988: Charles Nagy 1980: Dennis Rasmussen 1978: Nick Esasky 1973: Ted Cox (Red Sox) 1968: Gary Matthews Sr. Some good talent there.
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 1, 2019 8:32:09 GMT -5
3 games to go: 16 Arizona 82-77 17 CHI Cubs 82-77 18 NY Mets 83-76 19 Boston 83-76 *note that the Red Sox lose all tiebreakers by virtue of having the best record in 2018. It's looking more likely that the Red Sox will pick 18 or 19. Dang, I wish the Sox wouldn't have been so good last year so we would have this tiebreaker. The true reason Dombrowski was fired...
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Post by ramireja on Oct 1, 2019 11:25:36 GMT -5
The bonus difference last year was about $620k. Add in the increased IFA money and you have the equivalent of a top 12ish SP prospect. ADD: Essentially Lugo money when viewed as a whole. Yeah I just mean that the $620K is most likely to just go to the pick at #17 rather than result in like an additional prospect worth $620K. Of course, we could go underslot at the position, but the most likely scenario is that the $620 just allows to afford who we select at #17 rather than who we would select at #19 or whatever.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Oct 1, 2019 13:06:46 GMT -5
17th it is. The last five 17th overall picks: 2019: Jackson Rutledge ($3.61m slot) 2018: Jordyn Adams 2017: Evan White 2016: Forrest Whitley 2015: Brady Aiken Some other notables at #17: 2013: Tim Anderson 2009: AJ Pollock 2003: David Murphy (Red Sox) 2002: Cole Hamels 1999: Rick Asadoorian (Red Sox) 1998: Brad Lidge 1997: John Curtice (Red Sox) 1995: Roy Halladay 1990: Jeromy Burnitz 1989: Cal Eldred 1988: Charles Nagy 1980: Dennis Rasmussen 1978: Nick Esasky 1973: Ted Cox (Red Sox) 1968: Gary Matthews Sr. Some good talent there. Ted Cox, Red Sox is so satisfying.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 2, 2019 12:01:16 GMT -5
it would be really nice if tanner burns falls to us at #17. BA has Burns as its 15th ranked college prospect at present (i.e., without even considering the HS class), so I wouldn't call it "falling" to 17 necessarily. That said, a ton can change between now and June.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 2, 2019 14:47:18 GMT -5
17th it is. The last five 17th overall picks: 2019: Jackson Rutledge ($3.61m slot) 2018: Jordyn Adams 2017: Evan White 2016: Forrest Whitley 2015: Brady Aiken Some other notables at #17: 2013: Tim Anderson 2009: AJ Pollock 2003: David Murphy (Red Sox) 2002: Cole Hamels 1999: Rick Asadoorian (Red Sox) 1998: Brad Lidge 1997: John Curtice (Red Sox) 1995: Roy Halladay 1990: Jeromy Burnitz 1989: Cal Eldred 1988: Charles Nagy 1980: Dennis Rasmussen 1978: Nick Esasky 1973: Ted Cox (Red Sox) 1968: Gary Matthews Sr. Some good talent there. The Red Sox haven't had much luck at 17 in the past I see. I believe in the law of averages and that would mean they get real lucky after so many failures. Is this considered a strong draft?
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Post by jdb on Oct 2, 2019 14:50:56 GMT -5
It’s considered (now) to be a very good draft with college pitching as its strength.
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Post by voiceofreason on Oct 2, 2019 15:07:28 GMT -5
I checked myself, they are saying this is a very good, deep draft. Good news
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2019 14:05:43 GMT -5
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