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9/20-9/23 Red Sox @ Rays Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:13:27 GMT -5
No way. This team is way worse. You should have your memory checked. After leading the Tampa Bay Rays by nine games in the AL wild card race on September 3—when their odds of reaching the postseason peaked at 99.6%—the Red Sox lost 18 of their final 24 games.[6] On the last day of the season, September 28, a ninth inning Red Sox blown save loss against the Baltimore Orioles,[7] coupled with an extra inning come from behind victory by the Rays over the Yankees,[8] made the Rays the AL wild card winners, eliminating the Red Sox from postseason contention. And that Yankees Rays game #162 was 7-0 Yankees at one point. If the Yankees won, the Red Sox were in the playoffs. I remember thinking, ok, that loss to Baltimore sucked, but they're still making it as I watched the Yankees hand the game on a silver platter to the Rays to crush the Red Sox. It wasn't far behind 1978, 1986 and 2003. This season isn't 1/100th as crushing. No this year is way worse. Out by August. Team stopped spending and trying. GM gets fired. Team severely underperformed and ohh the Yankees are awesome. This year just flat out sucks.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:13:46 GMT -5
Trevor Kelley is absolute garbage and has no business ever pitching in the majors. Why is Dalbec not up instead?
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Post by nomar on Sept 20, 2019 22:14:20 GMT -5
Anyone’s wife/girlfriend give them crap for watching the game on the weekend? I was laughing that I was still intently watching tonight at a restaurant/bar even though the implications were less than zero.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:14:35 GMT -5
You should have your memory checked. After leading the Tampa Bay Rays by nine games in the AL wild card race on September 3—when their odds of reaching the postseason peaked at 99.6%—the Red Sox lost 18 of their final 24 games.[6] On the last day of the season, September 28, a ninth inning Red Sox blown save loss against the Baltimore Orioles,[7] coupled with an extra inning come from behind victory by the Rays over the Yankees,[8] made the Rays the AL wild card winners, eliminating the Red Sox from postseason contention. And that Yankees Rays game #162 was 7-0 Yankees at one point. If the Yankees won, the Red Sox were in the playoffs. I remember thinking, ok, that loss to Baltimore sucked, but they're still making it as I watched the Yankees hand the game on a silver platter to the Rays to crush the Red Sox. It wasn't far behind 1978, 1986 and 2003. This season isn't 1/100th as crushing. Oh yeah, and Papelbon struck out the first two Orioles in the bottom of the 9th of the game that would have clinched the wild card berth. Also, the Yankees were leading the Rays 7-0 to start the bottom of the 8th freaking inning. Their win expectancy was actually 100.0%. The Red Sox were at 95%. It may have been the most unprobable missing of the playoffs in history. The 2011 Red Sox weren't going anywhere once Lackey went down with Tommy John surgery, even if they made the playoffs.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:15:50 GMT -5
You should have your memory checked. After leading the Tampa Bay Rays by nine games in the AL wild card race on September 3—when their odds of reaching the postseason peaked at 99.6%—the Red Sox lost 18 of their final 24 games.[6] On the last day of the season, September 28, a ninth inning Red Sox blown save loss against the Baltimore Orioles,[7] coupled with an extra inning come from behind victory by the Rays over the Yankees,[8] made the Rays the AL wild card winners, eliminating the Red Sox from postseason contention. And that Yankees Rays game #162 was 7-0 Yankees at one point. If the Yankees won, the Red Sox were in the playoffs. I remember thinking, ok, that loss to Baltimore sucked, but they're still making it as I watched the Yankees hand the game on a silver platter to the Rays to crush the Red Sox. It wasn't far behind 1978, 1986 and 2003. This season isn't 1/100th as crushing. No this year is way worse. Out by August. Team stopped spending and trying. GM gets fired. Team severely underperformed and ohh the Yankees are awesome. This year just flat out sucks. Yeah I'm sure you would have complained much less if the Red Sox were 9 games up on the wild card and then went 6-18 to miss the playoffs in the most ridiculous final day ever where the Yankees blew a 7-0 lead in the 8th inning on purpose.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:18:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah, and Papelbon struck out the first two Orioles in the bottom of the 9th of the game that would have clinched the wild card berth. Also, the Yankees were leading the Rays 7-0 to start the bottom of the 8th freaking inning. Their win expectancy was actually 100.0%. The Red Sox were at 95%. It may have been the most unprobable missing of the playoffs in history. The 2011 Red Sox weren't going anywhere once Lackey went down with Tommy John surgery, even if they made the playoffs. You're the only Red Sox fan on planet earth who thinks 2019 is worse than 2011 except for the other Red Sox fans who just like to be miserable at all times so you just say it's worse to be miserable.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:19:10 GMT -5
No this year is way worse. Out by August. Team stopped spending and trying. GM gets fired. Team severely underperformed and ohh the Yankees are awesome. This year just flat out sucks. Yeah I'm sure you would have complained much less if the Red Sox were 9 games up on the wild card and then went 6-18 to miss the playoffs in the most ridiculous final day ever where the Yankees blew a 7-0 lead in the 8th inning on purpose. It was frustrating. It was crushing. This year sucks worse. Sorry it flat out does in my book.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:20:19 GMT -5
The 2011 Red Sox weren't going anywhere once Lackey went down with Tommy John surgery, even if they made the playoffs. You're the only Red Sox fan on planet earth who thinks 2019 is worse than 2011 except for the other Red Sox fans who just like to be miserable at all times so you just say it's worse to be miserable. You're the only person who turns a message board like a dictatorship and can't leave anyone to their own opinions.
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Post by station13 on Sept 20, 2019 22:21:19 GMT -5
I wonder if this pen has shattered the walks record yet. Between Barnes and Workman, they've walk 78 batters. What a stressful way to end every game.
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Post by station13 on Sept 20, 2019 22:23:20 GMT -5
Trevor Kelley is absolute garbage and has no business ever pitching in the majors. Why is Dalbec not up instead? Certainly could give Devers some off days. He absolutely has hit a wall.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:23:52 GMT -5
You're the only Red Sox fan on planet earth who thinks 2019 is worse than 2011 except for the other Red Sox fans who just like to be miserable at all times so you just say it's worse to be miserable. You're the only person who turns a message board like a dictatorship and can't leave anyone to their own opinions. I'm the only one who calls you out on your ridiculous opinions that you defend to the death. Standings on 9/3/11 before they went 6-18.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:26:12 GMT -5
Trevor Kelley is absolute garbage and has no business ever pitching in the majors. Why is Dalbec not up instead? Certainly could give Devers some off days. He absolutely has hit a wall. I'm so done with gimmick pitchers with stupid motions who cannot ever throw strikes because they have such a dumb motion.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:27:54 GMT -5
You're the only person who turns a message board like a dictatorship and can't leave anyone to their own opinions. I'm the only one who calls you out on your ridiculous opinions that you defend to the death. Standings on 9/3/11 before they went 6-18. I already said it was crushing. This year sucks worse. Yeap, being out for longer doesn't make it better!!! Nope!!!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 22:30:42 GMT -5
I'd say 2011 was a lot worse.
In 2011, the Greatest Red Sox team evah, was 83-52 around Labor Day, fighting the Yankees for 1st and a comfortable 9 game lead over TB. The last thing anybody was anticipating was that the Sox offense would stop hitting, the starters would all suck, and their two best relievers would fail so miserably. Tito and Theo were in charge and there was no history of any Red Sox choking. It was as if a lot of people though the Sox were immune from choking again because of 2004.
Then the way they were eliminated the final day was excruciating. I will say that it's true - by then it was pretty obvious that if the Sox got in the playoffs they wouldn't last long.
But in the weeks before there was no thought of not making the playoffs and not having a real shot at winning.
This year, whenever there was an ounce of hope it was dashed. There was no pain, just mind numbing aggravation and before long apathy.
Seriously, by time the Sox had lost their 8th in a row I knew this team was dead. Whatever anger i felt toward the team was gone. I flat out stopped caring. The losses no longer stung and the wins didn't bring any joy. The past six weeks have basically been playing out the string with no hope of anything, which is different than 2011 when you have expectations and you blow it versus being hopeless and a playoff not-factor.
Yes, given how great the Sox were in 2018 you could think that they'd have normal-ish type of luck and still win around 95 games and make the playoffs.
But the Red Sox left so many clues this year that they weren't serious about being a real contender, clues like letting the Yankees walk all over them, letting TB go 1-8 at Fenway, letting all teams treat Fenway Park like it was their HFA, failing to get clutch hits, giving up the killer 2 out hits, failing to show up for Ring Ceremony Day when the entire ballpark was pumped up before the game, embarrassing themselves in London. I mean, you can go on, the 2019 Red Sox were losers flat out, unlike their 2018 counterparts.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 20, 2019 22:32:23 GMT -5
There's something to be said about the pain being spread out over an entire season versus being felt entirely on one day.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:34:55 GMT -5
I'd say 2011 was a lot worse. In 2011, the Greatest Red Sox team evah, Champs, that team had injuries and fluke things like Steve Blass syndrome happen to that team. This team was more talented than the 2011 team. They won 108 games a year ago. Like they were the greatest team ever, not just a saying before they fell off the earth this year. Add- This 2019 came out cocky in spring training too. Add that to the list of crappy things this team did.
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Post by station13 on Sept 20, 2019 22:44:49 GMT -5
2020 hinges on fixing a league leading 30 blown leads bullpen. I think Sale bounces back and E-Rod become a force.
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Post by a2sox on Sept 20, 2019 22:46:20 GMT -5
I'd say 2011 was a lot worse. In 2011, the Greatest Red Sox team evah, Champs, that team had injuries and fluke things like Steve Blass syndrome happen to that team. This team was more talented than the 2011 team. They won 108 games a year ago. Like they were the greatest team ever, not just a saying before they fell off the earth this year. Yeah, this comes down to whether you think being out of it early makes the season worse or getting knocked out at the last second via epic collapse makes it worse. Pedro, you hate the slow torture. I get that. Personally, I vote for 2011 as being way worse. I remember that night so vividly. Just awful.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 20, 2019 22:50:13 GMT -5
Champs, that team had injuries and fluke things like Steve Blass syndrome happen to that team. This team was more talented than the 2011 team. They won 108 games a year ago. Like they were the greatest team ever, not just a saying before they fell off the earth this year. Yeah, this comes down to whether you think being out of it early makes the season worse or getting knocked out at the last second via epic collapse makes it worse. Pedro, you hate the slow torture. I get that. Personally, I vote for 2011 as being way worse. I remember that night so vividly. Just awful. That's fair. It's all about opinion, which some won't let you have around here. Remember though, the 2011 team drafted JBJ, Mookie, Barnes, Shaw, Swihart. They signed Manny Margot who all these guys became important to the 2018 team.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 20, 2019 23:23:24 GMT -5
I'd say 2011 was a lot worse. In 2011, the Greatest Red Sox team evah, Champs, that team had injuries and fluke things like Steve Blass syndrome happen to that team. This team was more talented than the 2011 team. They won 108 games a year ago. Like they were the greatest team ever, not just a saying before they fell off the earth this year. Add- This 2019 came out cocky in spring training too. Add that to the list of crappy things this team did. The 2018 Red Sox were the greatest Red Sox team with only the 1912 team having anything to say about it - I'd still take the 2018 Red Sox given what they had to go through - expanded post-season, etc. Anyways, despite their 108 wins I never thought that was anywhere near their true talent. 2018 was just a year of everything that could have gone right going right and 2019 was the opposite. I think 2011 was worse. 2019 for me was more mind numbing. But that's my opinion. It's an opinion thing, not a factual thing, so there is no correct or incorrect opinion. If you feel 2019 was worse, then for you it was. For me 1986 was extremely cruel. 2011 was disgusting but I honestly don't dwell on it much. I don't think I'll really dwell much on 2019 either. I never really expected that they'd repeat. I thought they'd at least have a chance to - they totally embarrassed themselves. For me the importance of 2019 is which way the crossroads go. I mean, they are at the crossroads now. We will have a much better idea of the future direction of this franchise by January/February I suspect, as I find it ironic that around the 100th anniversary of the Sox losing Babe Ruth, they might wind up losing Mookie Betts. Not that Betts is Ruth, but whatever decision they make will be impactful (don't expect to go 86 years to the next title if they lose Betts - lol, not that I'll be around to find out if it goes that long! If the Sox go down the wrong path, then we'll 2019 was when those seeds were sewn. If they go down correct path, then 2019 will be easily forgotten.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 21, 2019 0:51:27 GMT -5
Speaking of 2011, Chris Sale and John Lackey's timeline of getting hurt really do mirror each other very well. One opted for a PRP injection, the other opted for TJS.
-Both pitchers had thrown well over 2000 innings throughout their youth and professional careers at that point when they got hurt. -Both had noticeable command issues throughout the year, and a drop off in velocity after seemingly being hurt all year. -Both got shut down in August of 2011 and 2019
Having a stretched ligament was one of the leading causes in TJS before high velocity caused all of these sudden tears in recent years. This is probably what had/has happened to both of these pitchers.
It's actually really eerily similar in my eyes and why Sale is a complete risk moving forward until he proves he's healthy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 21, 2019 5:04:43 GMT -5
A fun piece of history.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 21, 2019 5:07:05 GMT -5
The Sox are about to shut down Darwinzon and Josh Taylor once this series is over also. Their seasons will be done. Hembree will be activated in the next season series against Texas.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2019 10:59:21 GMT -5
2020 hinges on fixing a league leading 30 blown leads bullpen. I think Sale bounces back and E-Rod become a force. People still want to blame the bullpen, huh? The stat you're citing here probably has as much to do with the Sox not being able to score runs in the late innings. And any blown leads in September have had a lot to do with Cora not exactly going all out for the Ws.
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Post by incandenza on Sept 21, 2019 11:03:08 GMT -5
Yeah, this comes down to whether you think being out of it early makes the season worse or getting knocked out at the last second via epic collapse makes it worse. Pedro, you hate the slow torture. I get that. Personally, I vote for 2011 as being way worse. I remember that night so vividly. Just awful. That's fair. It's all about opinion, which some won't let you have around here. Either the epic collapse makes for a terrible season, in which case 2011 is definitely worse than 2019, or season-long futility and underperformance make for a worse season, in which case 2014 and 2015 were worse. (2012 too, though that was less of an underperformance than just a shitshow from the beginning.) There's no logically consistent way to regard 2019 as the worst Sox season unless, as I mentioned elsewhere, you have the memory of a goldfish.
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