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MLB Division Series Gameday Thread
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Post by soxjim on Oct 6, 2019 13:22:13 GMT -5
Obviously the Dodgers are never going to win a World Series, those clowns don't even have Steve Pearce on their roster. obviously that;s how YOU take it.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2019 13:55:26 GMT -5
Obviously the Dodgers are never going to win a World Series, those clowns don't even have Steve Pearce on their roster. But they do have Joe Kelly!
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 6, 2019 18:34:36 GMT -5
Braves/Cardinals was a great game. Reminds me of what baseball used to be.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 6, 2019 21:00:04 GMT -5
This is pretty cool:
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Post by soxfaninnj on Oct 6, 2019 21:29:03 GMT -5
Who started this trend of using starters as relievers in playoffs? Hinch? Bochy?
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 6, 2019 21:32:39 GMT -5
Starting to wonder if Cole has the best slider I've seen from a righty.
Anyway, after the top of the fifth I went out for my usual Sunday "kids are in bed" jog. Missed the entire top of the sixth, but arrived just in time for the Joe Kelly Experience.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 6, 2019 23:37:49 GMT -5
Braves should go: Game 4, Keuchel on short rest Game 5, Foltynewicz
4 games Monday. In each game, one team faces elimination. A managerial test on bullpen management.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2019 9:03:19 GMT -5
Last year the Dodgers rented Manny Machado, the absolute best player available without question, and he played like it. The Red Sox got Nathan Eovaldi and Steve Pearce, complementary pieces who might have played the best baseball of their life in October. The idea that the Dodgers haven't been willing to make moves to GO FOR IT and therefore are stuck in perpetual Buffalo Bills "almost good enough territory" is a comfy narrative but it falls apart pretty fast.
Also the Buffalo Bills comparison implies that the early-90's Bills could've done something differently.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 7, 2019 9:31:53 GMT -5
Last year the Dodgers rented Manny Machado, the absolute best player available without question, and he played like it. The Red Sox got Nathan Eovaldi and Steve Pearce, complementary pieces who might have played the best baseball of their life in October. The idea that the Dodgers haven't been willing to make moves to GO FOR IT and therefore are stuck in perpetual Buffalo Bills "almost good enough territory" is a comfy narrative but it falls apart pretty fast. Also the Buffalo Bills comparison implies that the early-90's Bills could've done something differently. The Dodgers have won over a hundred games two out of the past three seasons. How much more "going for it" can you do? The complaint is basically that they're doing this too efficiently.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 7, 2019 9:36:26 GMT -5
It's also a way for people to rationalize why the Dodgers are going to change course and overpay for Mookie Betts. Because people are (rightfully) only going to be happy with trading Mookie Betts if someone gives up way too much for him.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 7, 2019 13:15:20 GMT -5
It's kind of crazy to think that Houston could have the MVP (probably won't, but it'll be close) in Bregman, co-Cy Young pitchers Cole and Verlander and the Rookie of the Year in Alvarez.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 7, 2019 17:36:55 GMT -5
Shane Green blew the save in the 8th for Atlanta by giving up a 70 mph double to Goldschmidt and 63 mph single to Molina. He sucks.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 7, 2019 18:54:21 GMT -5
I thought Teheran was a mistake. With Fried & Melancon rested. Playoff baseball.
Ok, if they're saving Melancon for the SAVE, you still have Fried
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 7, 2019 20:35:33 GMT -5
wow, twins pull a 2019 red sox and squander a bases loaded no out situation against severino
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2019 20:46:42 GMT -5
wow, twins pull a 2019 red sox and squander a bases loaded no out situation against severino Yup, they're doing their usual nonsense against the Yankees. They're going to be swept. The way they play NY is sickening. To lose more than 70% to a team for that long is disgraceful and their post-season performance historically against them is pitiful. The Red Sox used to do to the Angels in the post-season what the Yankees do to the Twins in the post-season (and every time they play them) until finally the Angels stood up to the Red Sox in 2009 after choking away the 1986 ALCS, getting swept in 04, getting swept in 07 and stretching their losing streak to 11 against the Red Sox until they avoided the sweep in the 2008 ALDS, but they lost anyways. Finally in 2009 the Angels beat the Sox. They actually swept them including an amazing 9th inning comeback in Game 3. It was just as well. Instead of the Red Sox losing to the Yankees in 2009 (nobody would have beat them that year), the Angels took the hit instead, so no Yankee celebration against the Red Sox.
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Post by itsdunkindonutstime on Oct 7, 2019 21:33:17 GMT -5
So, we had a chance for all 4 celebrations before any of them started today and it looks like Yanks will be only one to be celebrating while the Rays , Nats and Cards refused to let them to party for another day.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 7, 2019 22:09:10 GMT -5
Last year the Dodgers rented Manny Machado, the absolute best player available without question, and he played like it. The Red Sox got Nathan Eovaldi and Steve Pearce, complementary pieces who might have played the best baseball of their life in October. The idea that the Dodgers haven't been willing to make moves to GO FOR IT and therefore are stuck in perpetual Buffalo Bills "almost good enough territory" is a comfy narrative but it falls apart pretty fast. Also the Buffalo Bills comparison implies that the early-90's Bills could've done something differently. Exactly. I've been saying right along it will NOT be out of character for the Dodgers to go after Betts. The point with Eovaldi and Pearce is that both were super. The Dodgers if they don't win again this year -- another year they are the Buffalo Bills. For me I'm not making any assumptions/implications other than it seems the Sox got "Home runs" from their two Free Agents who far surpassed any reasonable expectation. The Astros got super human performances from the trade Verlander the year before who was a huge lift for his team and now Cole. The Yanks this year got an amazing lift from DJL. Of course the Dodgers are trying to win -- what I was saying is that there always seems to be a team or two each year that surprises the hell out of everyone or just becomes much much much tougher with a key pickup whichmeans you can't just rely on assuming the Dogers will get it done winning a title. In 2017 and 2018 the SOx and Astros got incredible lifts. There has been a pov that sooner or later the Dodgers will eventually break through. IMO that pov of course it may happen but it is far from certain. Every year other baseball teams get hot with either pitching or hitting or both. One player or a couple of player picked up turn a strong team to become much tougher. Can't assume Dodgers will eventually break through.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 7, 2019 22:33:41 GMT -5
Last year the Dodgers rented Manny Machado, the absolute best player available without question, and he played like it. The Red Sox got Nathan Eovaldi and Steve Pearce, complementary pieces who might have played the best baseball of their life in October. The idea that the Dodgers haven't been willing to make moves to GO FOR IT and therefore are stuck in perpetual Buffalo Bills "almost good enough territory" is a comfy narrative but it falls apart pretty fast. Also the Buffalo Bills comparison implies that the early-90's Bills could've done something differently. Exactly. I've been saying right along it will NOT be out of character for the Dodgers to go after Betts. The point with Eovaldi and Pearce is that both were super. The Dodgers if they don't win again this year -- another year they are the Buffalo Bills. For me I'm not making any assumptions/implications other than it seems the Sox got "Home runs" from their two Free Agents who far surpassed any reasonable expectation. The Astros got super human performances from the trade Verlander the year before who was a huge lift for his team and now Cole. The Yanks this year got an amazing lift from DJL. Of course the Dodgers are trying to win -- what I was saying is that there always seems to be a team or two each year that surprises the hell out of everyone. In 2017 and 2018 the SOx and Astros got incredible lifts. There has been a pov that sooner or later the Dodgers will eventually break through. IMO that pov of course it may happen but it is far from certain. Every year other baseball teams get hot with either pitching or hitting or both. One player or a couple of player picked up turn a strong team to become much tougher. Can't assume Dodgers will eventually break through. No, you can't assume. Still though, the more chances a team gets the better their odds get. But no, there's no guarantee, and I wouldn't trade the 2018 Red Sox season even packaged with the disappointing 2019 season and whatever follows the next few years for a team that keeps knocking on the door but can't get in. The team Dombrowski was the GM of before he went to the Red Sox had some good shots, but couldn't seal the deal. The Rangers were defeated 2 years in a row a the beginning of the decade. The Braves won only once in 14 straight post-season tries. So no, there's no guarantee the Dodgers are going to win. They're not the only team knocking on the door. The Yankees are now playing in their 3rd straight post-season. The Red Sox were in their 3rd straight post-season when it totally clicked for them. I'm still of the belief that the more chances you get the more likely you are to finally win. I remember when the Sox were down 0-3 to NY in 2004, as mad as I was, and as much as I believed I'd never live to see the Sox win in my lifetime and I figured they'd never beat the Yankees ever when it mattered, the tiny logical side of me said, "Remember the Brooklyn Dodgers. Maybe one day the Red Sox can have their 1955". They did - it just happened at that point a lot quicker than I could have imagined. The Dodgers faced the Yankees five times in the World Series before finally beating them on their 6th try. And the Sox finally beat the Yankees when it mattered in 04. Sometimes you just need another chance. I thought of that when the Royals came so close to victory in 2014. They got a second chance a year later and capitalized. Ideally you build your team so it can sustain long-term success, never selling out one year for another, but in reality, there are times to really go for it (and I don't mean in a Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen type of way). I think if the Dodgers fall short, they most certainly make a run at obtaining Mookie if he becomes available in a deal. I doubt the Dodgers would even have to do much damage to their core to rent Mookie for just one season with the chance of signing him long-term.
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Post by grandsalami on Oct 7, 2019 22:42:01 GMT -5
The twins will never beat the Yankees in the playoffs.
Ever.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 7, 2019 23:16:45 GMT -5
cameron maybin with a home run. just fully prepared for nonsense this postseason, yankees got horsehoes up their ass all year.
watch the rays come back and beat the astros, then lie down for the yankees in the alcs. or the rays force 5 games out of the astros and so cole and verlander get less starts in the alcs and the yankees pull it out.
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Post by soxjim on Oct 7, 2019 23:48:14 GMT -5
So no, there's no guarantee the Dodgers are going to win. They're not the only team knocking on the door. The Yankees are now playing in their 3rd straight post-season. The Red Sox were in their 3rd straight post-season when it totally clicked for them. I'm still of the belief that the more chances you get the more likely you are to finally win. I remember when the Sox were down 0-3 to NY in 2004, as mad as I was, and as much as I believed I'd never live to see the Sox win in my lifetime and I figured they'd never beat the Yankees ever when it mattered, the tiny logical side of me said, "Remember the Brooklyn Dodgers. Maybe one day the Red Sox can have their 1955". They did - it just happened at that point a lot quicker than I could have imagined. The Dodgers faced the Yankees five times in the World Series before finally beating them on their 6th try. And the Sox finally beat the Yankees when it mattered in 04. Sometimes you just need another chance. I thought of that when the Royals came so close to victory in 2014. They got a second chance a year later and capitalized. Ideally you build your team so it can sustain long-term success, never selling out one year for another, but in reality, there are times to really go for it (and I don't mean in a Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen type of way). I think if the Dodgers fall short, they most certainly make a run at obtaining Mookie if he becomes available in a deal. I doubt the Dodgers would even have to do much damage to their core to rent Mookie for just one season with the chance of signing him long-term. You're right you keep knocking but as you say lots of teams keep knocking. Which is why the Dodgers went after Machado and Darvish - to try to increase their chances as they continue knock. And ofc there are teams that knock and don't push through. So just because they knock doesn't mean they are going to get in. For example the Nats have been knocking at the door to win a series for a long time too. It's possible Strass outduels Buehler. It's possible each year we keep saying the same stuff about the Dodgers as each team other than the Dodgers breaks through. The Sox broke through when they got Schilling. There are "difference makers' -both superstar and not - that can continue to halt "the Dodgers/ other fine/super teams." The point is that while yes you do increase your odds by knocking but also you increase your odds by getting either superstars or getting players like Eovaldi and Pearce that blow your mind and end up being enormous difference makers - overall just as big as superstars. You can't assume the Dodgers are going to break through imo. And their odds would increase if they went after a Machado type or a Betts type etc which is why I don't dismiss that they go after some super player instead of just keeping all of their young guys and make only small moves. They've gone after big name stars like Machado and Darvish before- so why wouldn't they do it again if they don;t win for example this year? Odds are they have a 60% chance now )I think those are the odds at this moment) to win this series with the Nats. It was higher to start the series I'm sure. It was about 78% leading into game 4 I believe. They are going to feel some desperation if they get beat in game 5, won't they? You or I or anyone else on here that isn't a huge Dodger fan can't possibly feel their desperation if they don't win a title again in 2019 and again 2020 and again . . . can we? Especially Dodger Manangement unless you think they are content year over year to be close but not win it all? But even if they are desperate who says they have to do much of an "overpay" -- if at all -- for a star? Do what's fair. I have no idea what is fair for a lot of these trades. And I have no idea if the Sox are determined to go under the $208m threshold or okay with going something over. Werner or combined with other Sox Mgmt seems to have said two different things about going over the $208m threshold. As far as the trades, the only thing I can do is read on here or try to read other articles off site. It just seems to me this offseason with the Sox very little is off the table and imo there is no one who can predict a another teams degree of desperation (other than teams like TB and Oakland) if they don't win it all but feel the following year they have a chance. SO I'm dismissing very little when it comes to the Sox and overall for teams that don't win it all unless they are small market. I just feel dismissing the Dodgers making any big moves or need of something much more than just their farm system and current team under the assumption "they will eventually break through" is a Bridge-too-far of a projection if they don't win yet again in 2019 -- then yet again in 2020 etc.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 8, 2019 0:03:37 GMT -5
So no, there's no guarantee the Dodgers are going to win. They're not the only team knocking on the door. The Yankees are now playing in their 3rd straight post-season. The Red Sox were in their 3rd straight post-season when it totally clicked for them. I'm still of the belief that the more chances you get the more likely you are to finally win. I remember when the Sox were down 0-3 to NY in 2004, as mad as I was, and as much as I believed I'd never live to see the Sox win in my lifetime and I figured they'd never beat the Yankees ever when it mattered, the tiny logical side of me said, "Remember the Brooklyn Dodgers. Maybe one day the Red Sox can have their 1955". They did - it just happened at that point a lot quicker than I could have imagined. The Dodgers faced the Yankees five times in the World Series before finally beating them on their 6th try. And the Sox finally beat the Yankees when it mattered in 04. Sometimes you just need another chance. I thought of that when the Royals came so close to victory in 2014. They got a second chance a year later and capitalized. Ideally you build your team so it can sustain long-term success, never selling out one year for another, but in reality, there are times to really go for it (and I don't mean in a Jeff Bagwell for Larry Andersen type of way). I think if the Dodgers fall short, they most certainly make a run at obtaining Mookie if he becomes available in a deal. I doubt the Dodgers would even have to do much damage to their core to rent Mookie for just one season with the chance of signing him long-term. You're right you keep knocking but as you say lots of teams keep knocking. Which is why the Dodgers went after Machado and Darvish - to try to increase their chances as they continue knock. And ofc there are teams that knock and don't push through. So just because they knock doesn't mean they are going to get in. For example the Nats have been knocking at the door to win a series for a long time too. It's possible Strass outduels Buehler. It's possible each year we keep saying the same stuff about the Dodgers as each team other than the Dodgers breaks through. The Sox broke through when they got Schilling. There are "difference makers' -both superstar and not - that can continue to halt "the Dodgers/ other fine/super teams." The point is that while yes you do increase your odds by knocking but also you increase your odds by getting either superstars or getting players like Eovaldi and Pearce that blow your mind and end up being enormous difference makers - overall just as big as superstars. You can't assume the Dodgers are going to break through imo. And their odds would increase if they went after a Machado type or a Betts type etc which is why I don't dismiss that they go after some super player instead of just keeping all of their young guys and make only small moves. They've gone after big name stars like Machado and Darvish before- so why wouldn't they do it again if they don;t win for example this year? Odds are they have a 60% chance now )I think those are the odds at this moment) to win this series with the Nats. It was higher to start the series I'm sure. It was about 78% leading into game 4 I believe. They are going to feel some desperation if they get beat in game 5, won't they? You or I or anyone else on here that isn't a huge Dodger fan can't possibly feel their desperation if they don't win a title again in 2019 and again 2020 and again . . . can we? Especially Dodger Manangement unless you think they are content year over year to be close but not win it all? But even if they are desperate who says they have to do much of an "overpay" -- if at all -- for a star? Do what's fair. I have no idea what is fair for a lot of these trades. And I have no idea if the Sox are determined to go under the $208m threshold or okay with going something over. Werner or combined with other Sox Mgmt seems to have said two different things about going over the $208m threshold. As far as the trades, the only thing I can do is read on here or try to read other articles off site. It just seems to me this offseason with the Sox very little is off the table and imo there is no one who can predict a another teams degree of desperation (other than teams like TB and Oakland) if they don't win it all but feel the following year they have a chance. SO I'm dismissing very little when it comes to the Sox and overall for teams that don't win it all unless they are small market. I just feel dismissing the Dodgers making any big moves or need of something much more than just their farm system and current team under the assumption "they will eventually break through" is a Bridge-too-far of a projection if they don't win yet again in 2019 -- then yet again in 2020 etc. Yup. There's a big difference between winning the big one and being on the outside looking in. I'm turning 47 soon and am very thankful for the 4 championships. Unfortunately my son was too young last year and slept through the Red Sox winning the Series. I hope that one day we witness the Sox winning it all together, but the truth is that I might have already witnessed the last Red Sox championship of my life. Who the hell knows? If you told 14 year old me that the 108 win World Champions Mets would still be looking for their first championship after 1986 33 years later I wouldn't have believed you. I mean, the Sox have won 4 times in 16 years so you can have that "Well the next one is right around the corner" mentality, but after waiting quite awhile for that first one and knowing other teams have waited a long time, you can't really take it for granted that things will eventually break right and you'll eventually see your team win again. There are 30 teams and if the Sox had average odds and won 30 years from 2018 that would make me almost 76 years old the next time they'd win - and I don't know that I'm around to see that? And that's how I feel having been lucky enough to see my team win 4 times the past 16 years. Remembering pre-2004 and feeling for what other fanbases are experiencing I can only imagine that feeling of desperation. I would think a FO doesn't give into that kind of desperation - and for the Dodgers to acquire a Mookie they'd have to give up some value, but nothing insurmountable - I'm sure even the executives making the decisions are going to feel that overwhelming desire to be aggressive and take their best shot at winning. And not just them.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 8, 2019 0:05:10 GMT -5
And yes, the Twins are really THAT pathetic.
Too bad there isn't a mercy rule in baseball, because if there was the Twins can beg for mercy, forfeit their games against NYY and save us the trouble of watching the pathetic way they play the Yankees.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2019 7:16:45 GMT -5
Must be nice for the Yankees to get a bye week.
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Post by jdb on Oct 8, 2019 7:22:28 GMT -5
I think the Twins got 41 wins vs KC, Detroit and the White Sox. Don’t know if their 101 win season was bc they were a good team or that that the whole division gave up the day pitchers and catchers reported.
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