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MLB Division Series Gameday Thread
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2019 9:40:34 GMT -5
I think the Twins got 41 wins vs KC, Detroit and the White Sox. Don’t know if their 101 win season was bc they were a good team or that that the whole division gave up the day pitchers and catchers reported. It's really too bad the Indians couldn't do more in that division. I firmly believe they at least take a game.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 8, 2019 9:46:14 GMT -5
I mean, the Indians played that same trash heap schedule and were notably worse than the Twins. I'd buy an argument that the Twins' power-dominant offensive approach was well-suited to beating the crud out of the bad teams in their division and ill-suited to winning playoff games, but that's not a newfangled issue.
The Indians deserved to lose the division because they spent the offseason assuming that the rest of the division, including the Twins, would be bad, and they did absolutely nothing to help their near-playoff caliber team improve. They were content to coast in with 90 wins and take their chances and they got burned.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 8, 2019 11:46:54 GMT -5
Minnesota is bad at plate discipline. That makes them bad at the playoffs when the tendency to chase pitches goes up while the pitchers know that and try to make them chase more.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 8, 2019 14:40:33 GMT -5
It is pretty funny how the Twins can turn over their entire front office, coaching staff, and players, yet everyone's reaction is still "phfff, same old Twins" like Brad Radke just gave up a three run double to Jorge Posada.
(I suppose winning a game or two might help.)
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 8, 2019 15:23:41 GMT -5
99.4% of me is disappointed the Twins lost to the Yankees, for a variety of reasons. The other 0.6% of me is relieved that I won't accidentally come across someone's stupid "the Twins finally overcame the Yankees because Joe Mauer is out of the way" take.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 8, 2019 17:13:00 GMT -5
It is pretty funny how the Twins can turn over their entire front office, coaching staff, and players, yet everyone's reaction is still "phfff, same old Twins" like Brad Radke just gave up a three run double to Jorge Posada. (I suppose winning a game or two might help.) It's fair to say that sometimes that gets into the current players' heads. Curses don't exist, but negative attitudes drag down performance.
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Post by SALNotes on Oct 8, 2019 17:43:42 GMT -5
Excited for the game 5's, Braves-Cardinals has been an excellent series.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 8, 2019 18:13:34 GMT -5
I mean, the Indians played that same trash heap schedule and were notably worse than the Twins. I'd buy an argument that the Twins' power-dominant offensive approach was well-suited to beating the crud out of the bad teams in their division and ill-suited to winning playoff games, but that's not a newfangled issue. The Indians deserved to lose the division because they spent the offseason assuming that the rest of the division, including the Twins, would be bad, and they did absolutely nothing to help their near-playoff caliber team improve. They were content to coast in with 90 wins and take their chances and they got burned. I still feel that they at least had the pitching and manager to be a little more competitive than what amounted to a glorified spring training series.
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Post by kevfc89 on Oct 8, 2019 18:43:47 GMT -5
panic move starting Verlander on 3 days rest? boy, these events are shaping up perfectly for the MFYs
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 8, 2019 19:23:24 GMT -5
panic move starting Verlander on 3 days rest? boy, these events are shaping up perfectly for the MFYs An alternative would be have Cole pitch games 1 & 4. Verlander 2 & 5. Cole is 7 years younger. I would say Verlander's legs are stiff/tired. Or his back.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 8, 2019 19:26:58 GMT -5
panic move starting Verlander on 3 days rest? boy, these events are shaping up perfectly for the MFYs verlander asked for the ball and Hinch gave it to him. how profoundly arrogant on both their parts. the MFY are lickin their chops right now
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Oct 8, 2019 19:30:07 GMT -5
It is pretty funny how the Twins can turn over their entire front office, coaching staff, and players, yet everyone's reaction is still "phfff, same old Twins" like Brad Radke just gave up a three run double to Jorge Posada. (I suppose winning a game or two might help.) but the same thing happened....what are people supposed to say ?
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Post by dangermike on Oct 8, 2019 19:49:22 GMT -5
altuve running into an out at home has my cheeks extremely clenched. im fairly confident that houston takes this series pretty much no matter what but i need the astros to start getting some momentum at the plate to bring into stupid new york. i will die literally (figuratively but literally) if the yankees win this thing. literally die.
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Post by ancientsoxfogey on Oct 8, 2019 20:16:24 GMT -5
altuve running into an out at home has my cheeks extremely clenched. im fairly confident that houston takes this series pretty much no matter what but i need the astros to start getting some momentum at the plate to bring into stupid new york. i will die literally (figuratively but literally) if the yankees win this thing. literally die. So what are the favorite quotes and music you would like at your funeral? Give the Yankees credit. They blew their way through an injury-riddled season, now the team is healthy, and they probably OUGHT to be the World Series favorites at this point. Houston needed to show a little confidence in themselves. Pitch your #3 and 4 starters in games 3 and 4, Verlander in game 5, and Cole is ready to start game 1 of the ALCS if you win.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 9, 2019 8:44:22 GMT -5
altuve running into an out at home has my cheeks extremely clenched. im fairly confident that houston takes this series pretty much no matter what but i need the astros to start getting some momentum at the plate to bring into stupid new york. i will die literally (figuratively but literally) if the yankees win this thing. literally die. So what are the favorite quotes and music you would like at your funeral? Give the Yankees credit. They blew their way through an injury-riddled season, now the team is healthy, and they probably OUGHT to be the World Series favorites at this point. Houston needed to show a little confidence in themselves. Pitch your #3 and 4 starters in games 3 and 4, Verlander in game 5, and Cole is ready to start game 1 of the ALCS if you win. I disagree. Their rotation is still a dumpster fire, but it might not even matter with how good their pen and lineup is. I want Houston to brush them aside because they, to me at least, are the WS favorites as they have incredible balance with no real weaknesses. I do have some faith in TB as they seem to have that super lucky feeling that NY has going on for them, but I'd only like them in a short series. In a 7-game series NY will expose them. Houston has an incredible rotation. There's no excuse to pitch Verlander on short rest.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2019 8:54:37 GMT -5
So what are the favorite quotes and music you would like at your funeral? Give the Yankees credit. They blew their way through an injury-riddled season, now the team is healthy, and they probably OUGHT to be the World Series favorites at this point. Houston needed to show a little confidence in themselves. Pitch your #3 and 4 starters in games 3 and 4, Verlander in game 5, and Cole is ready to start game 1 of the ALCS if you win. I disagree. Their rotation is still a dumpster fire, but it might not even matter with how good their pen and lineup is. I want Houston to brush them aside because they, to me at least, are the WS favorites as they have incredible balance with no real weaknesses. I do have some faith in TB as they seem to have that super lucky feeling that NY has going on for them, but I'd only like them in a short series. In a 7-game series NY will expose them. Houston has an incredible rotation. There's no excuse to pitch Verlander on short rest. Hate to say it but everything is lined up just about perfectly for the Yankees to win the World Series. This season has had a stench about it, so it makes sense. If the Rays knock off Houston there's no way TB is going to beat the Yankees four times. If Houston wins, they SHOULD beat the Yankees as they are the best team in baseball, but seeing them struggle against the Rays is quite concerning. The Yankees had a slam dunk victory against the Twinkies while all the other teams are beating each other up. And although the Yankees' rotation is mediocre it's really not hard to envision their offense making hay against the NL bullpens if/when they go to the World Series. All four NL teams have bullpens that can easily destroy the work of their good starters. I don't think the NL is winning the World Series this year either. Hate to say it but the Yankees have overcome any and all obstacles thrown their way, they're very hungry to win - kind of similar in a way that the Red Sox were last year, that it feels like it's their year. I'm wrong about a lot of stuff. Hope I'm very wrong about this!!
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 9, 2019 8:54:50 GMT -5
On what planet is Paxton/Tanaka/Severino a "dumpster fire"? It doesn't match up with the Astros or Dodgers but that's three dudes who are pretty tough.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 9, 2019 11:42:15 GMT -5
I disagree. Their rotation is still a dumpster fire, but it might not even matter with how good their pen and lineup is. I want Houston to brush them aside because they, to me at least, are the WS favorites as they have incredible balance with no real weaknesses. I do have some faith in TB as they seem to have that super lucky feeling that NY has going on for them, but I'd only like them in a short series. In a 7-game series NY will expose them. Houston has an incredible rotation. There's no excuse to pitch Verlander on short rest. Hate to say it but everything is lined up just about perfectly for the Yankees to win the World Series. This season has had a stench about it, so it makes sense. If the Rays knock off Houston there's no way TB is going to beat the Yankees four times. If Houston wins, they SHOULD beat the Yankees as they are the best team in baseball, but seeing them struggle against the Rays is quite concerning. The Yankees had a slam dunk victory against the Twinkies while all the other teams are beating each other up. And although the Yankees' rotation is mediocre it's really not hard to envision their offense making hay against the NL bullpens if/when they go to the World Series. All four NL teams have bullpens that can easily destroy the work of their good starters. I don't think the NL is winning the World Series this year either. Hate to say it but the Yankees have overcome any and all obstacles thrown their way, they're very hungry to win - kind of similar in a way that the Red Sox were last year, that it feels like it's their year. I'm wrong about a lot of stuff. Hope I'm very wrong about this!! If Houston went 2-2 in a four-game series in the regular season against the Rays would anyone have even batted an eye? It's basically the median and modal outcome between any two good teams in a 4-game series. On the other hand, I will admit that the Yankees' sweep of the Twins was basically an inevitable destiny. Still, Astros>Yankees.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2019 12:31:39 GMT -5
Hate to say it but everything is lined up just about perfectly for the Yankees to win the World Series. This season has had a stench about it, so it makes sense. If the Rays knock off Houston there's no way TB is going to beat the Yankees four times. If Houston wins, they SHOULD beat the Yankees as they are the best team in baseball, but seeing them struggle against the Rays is quite concerning. The Yankees had a slam dunk victory against the Twinkies while all the other teams are beating each other up. And although the Yankees' rotation is mediocre it's really not hard to envision their offense making hay against the NL bullpens if/when they go to the World Series. All four NL teams have bullpens that can easily destroy the work of their good starters. I don't think the NL is winning the World Series this year either. Hate to say it but the Yankees have overcome any and all obstacles thrown their way, they're very hungry to win - kind of similar in a way that the Red Sox were last year, that it feels like it's their year. I'm wrong about a lot of stuff. Hope I'm very wrong about this!! If Houston went 2-2 in a four-game series in the regular season against the Rays would anyone have even batted an eye? It's basically the median and modal outcome between any two good teams in a 4-game series. On the other hand, I will admit that the Yankees' sweep of the Twins was basically an inevitable destiny. Still, Astros>Yankees. No, I wouldn't but we're not in the regular season now. The Rays have thumped the Astros in Game 3 and jumped on them early and shut them down in Game 4. That said, I still think (hope) the Astros will prevail in Game 5, but instead of me thinking it was a slam dunk/mismatch between Houston and Tampa, it's more like 60-40 the Astros win on Thursday, which is not far from a flip of a coin. And yes Astros > Yankees, but it would hardly shock me to see NYY find a way to beat Houston in a 7 game series. I think whoever comes out of the NL will have a rather unimpressive pen. Watching Martinez get beat to a pulp, Melancon struggle, and not being overly impressed by the Washington or LA bullpens, it's not hard to imagine their starters doing fairly well, particularly in Washington's case, but then get undone in the later innings by their bullpens. I think that works in favor of Houston and NYY (or do I dare say TB).
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 9, 2019 13:38:08 GMT -5
On what planet is Paxton/Tanaka/Severino a "dumpster fire"? It doesn't match up with the Astros or Dodgers but that's three dudes who are pretty tough. Admittedly, haven’t kept up with Paxton since the first half. He’d make a good 2/3 in any rotation right now. Front line is pushing it. Tanaka as your 2 with a 4.5 ERA and a 4.27 FIP is a bit weak for a 2 and Severino is still limited I believe after missing most of the year. Then they have Sabathia as their 4th. Dumpster fire was a gross exaggeration, but it’s certainly not their strength.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2019 14:14:26 GMT -5
On what planet is Paxton/Tanaka/Severino a "dumpster fire"? It doesn't match up with the Astros or Dodgers but that's three dudes who are pretty tough. Admittedly, haven’t kept up with Paxton since the first half. He’d make a good 2/3 in a rotation right now. Front line is pushing it. Tanaka as your 2 with a 4.5 ERA and a 4.27 ERA is a bit weak for a 2 and Severino is still limited I believe after missing most of the year. Then they have Sabathia as their 4th. Dumpster fire was a gross exaggeration, but it’s certainly not their strength. It's not their strength, and it's not hard to envision scenarios where the Yankees are down 5-3 going into the 6th and it becomes a battle of the bullpens and the Yankees do well with that. And honestly, with a guy like Tanaka, he's still capable of pitching a really good game. It's just that when he's bad, he's really, really bad. So if the game is a contest the Yanks have a shot, but if he gets knocked out in the 2nd inning, Boone better yank him quick, which he didn't do very well last year. BTW, not that it makes it much better, but Happ is the #4 starter I believe. I'm not even sure Sabathia will be on the roster.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Oct 9, 2019 14:42:56 GMT -5
Admittedly, haven’t kept up with Paxton since the first half. He’d make a good 2/3 in a rotation right now. Front line is pushing it. Tanaka as your 2 with a 4.5 ERA and a 4.27 ERA is a bit weak for a 2 and Severino is still limited I believe after missing most of the year. Then they have Sabathia as their 4th. Dumpster fire was a gross exaggeration, but it’s certainly not their strength. It's not their strength, and it's not hard to envision scenarios where the Yankees are down 5-3 going into the 6th and it becomes a battle of the bullpens and the Yankees do well with that. And honestly, with a guy like Tanaka, he's still capable of pitching a really good game. It's just that when he's bad, he's really, really bad. So if the game is a contest the Yanks have a shot, but if he gets knocked out in the 2nd inning, Boone better yank him quick, which he didn't do very well last year. BTW, not that it makes it much better, but Happ is the #4 starter I believe. I'm not even sure Sabathia will be on the roster. Tanaka always feels like he comes up big in big games, so we'll see. As of 2 days ago JA Happ doesn't even know what his role is. I just expected they left Sabathia off the round 1 roster because they didn't need him at all.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 9, 2019 14:52:30 GMT -5
On what planet is Paxton/Tanaka/Severino a "dumpster fire"? It doesn't match up with the Astros or Dodgers but that's three dudes who are pretty tough. Admittedly, haven’t kept up with Paxton since the first half. He’d make a good 2/3 in any rotation right now. Front line is pushing it. Tanaka as your 2 with a 4.5 ERA and a 4.27 FIP is a bit weak for a 2 and Severino is still limited I believe after missing most of the year. Then they have Sabathia as their 4th. Dumpster fire was a gross exaggeration, but it’s certainly not their strength. Tanaka also changed the grip on his splitter and became far more effective not long after the Red Sox destroyed him in London. Also, he's always going to be a guy who is good in the postseason because hitters chase more in the playoffs and his splitter is exactly the kind of pitch that's so hard to lay off.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 9, 2019 16:18:29 GMT -5
And there go the Braves. splat..after being 4 outs away from advancing. They're down 4-0 in the 1st and they're not even out of the inning yet.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 9, 2019 16:23:43 GMT -5
And there go the Braves. splat..after being 4 outs away from advancing. They're down 4-0 in the 1st and they're not even out of the inning yet. And now 9-0. WTF?
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