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Post by dirtywater43 on Dec 10, 2019 18:51:21 GMT -5
Our owners own newspaper claiming crazy numbers. I can't read it because you need a subscription. Yet in our two years going over we only spent 25 million on tax payments and now want to reset. The tax rate only goes up 20% in the third year. So how in the world are they saving 90 to 100 million? If they didn't reset 12 million in 2018 becomes roughly 24.9 million 13 million last year becomes 22.4 million. They would litterally save 22.3 million or about 11 million per season. They'd have to stay over like nine years or plan on really blowing past the highest tax line by a ton. The biggest savings isn't luxury tax money or cost, but reducing payroll by 40 million. Even at the highest amount, if you stay below the highest tax line, the taxes aren't much money. I don't think Speier is much of a puppet. There's probably numbers shows the 90-100 million number to be plausible. Either way if he's a puppet to Henry, this just shows how motivated they are to get under. The Sox are talking about using openers next season lol- Just goes to show how far the Sox have to go even to fill holes on this roster right now without any money. Trade Mookie if the Yankees land Cole. The Yankees will be light years ahead of the Sox in terms of talent. No point to keeping Mookie for 2020 if that's the case.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Dec 10, 2019 23:48:49 GMT -5
Are you a puppet when your Boss tells you to write about something?
I know how they get close to those numbers, my main point being it's not mainly tax savings, the biggest savings being dropping payroll by 40 million. Then not paying about 22 million in taxes next year, then the reduced savings of about 20 million the first two years after resetting. Assuming they go back to just under the highest tax line in 2021 and 2022. Yet the CBA also expires after 2021.
Tax after resetting about 10 million, max tax after not resetting is about 22 million assuming you stay just under the top tax limit. For a team pushing $700 million in Revenue the difference in the tax rates is almost nothing. Heck we can save over a 100 million each year if we just reduce payroll to the A's level, heck why not $150 million and be like Tampa?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 11, 2019 12:28:25 GMT -5
With the Angels looking to make a big signing and striking out on their first couple of targets, I'm thinking they could be a candidate to go for Betts (wouldn't a Trout/Betts duo be awesome?)
My initial thought is Brandon Marsh and Luis Rengifo as targets, but that may be too high a price for the Angels. For the Red Sox those guys could fill gaps at 2b and OF for the foreseeable future (although neither seen to have high ceilings).
It would be great if the Red Sox could pry away a young pitcher, but the Angels seem to need to pitching just as much if not more.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Dec 13, 2019 11:27:56 GMT -5
With the Angels looking to make a big signing and striking out on their first couple of targets, I'm thinking they could be a candidate to go for Betts (wouldn't a Trout/Betts duo be awesome?) My initial thought is Brandon Marsh and Luis Rengifo as targets, but that may be too high a price for the Angels. For the Red Sox those guys could fill gaps at 2b and OF for the foreseeable future (although neither seen to have high ceilings). It would be great if the Red Sox could pry away a young pitcher, but the Angels seem to need to pitching just as much if not more. Under the same reasoning, I'd swap Mookie for Joe Adell straight up.`
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Post by mwgray on Dec 13, 2019 14:17:17 GMT -5
If they trade him or let him go, they will regret it for the next 10 years or when he decides to retire. That's the same thing almost every fan says when they lose a star. However the Washington Nationals approved otherwise this year by winning the World Series without Harper. They said similar about Ellsbury, and we know how he worked out for the Yankees, like many of the other mega deal not well for the team. The truth is you can only pay so many players market rate for their performance and be competitive because there is less of a margin for error.
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Post by mwgray on Dec 13, 2019 14:22:14 GMT -5
Is Betts going to play center if Bradley is traded? I would love to see the Sox challenge Betts position-wise, kinda like the Patriots do to their soon to be free agents.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Dec 13, 2019 14:37:40 GMT -5
Is Betts going to play center if Bradley is traded? I would love to see the Sox challenge Betts position-wise, kinda like the Patriots do to their soon to be free agents. Ya, make him finally prove something coming off 2 MVP caliber seasons...
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 21, 2019 6:26:23 GMT -5
If they end up trading Betts I don't think this is terrible in fact the more I think about it the more I like it;
Betts to the Dodgers for Ross Stripling & Jeter Downs
Jeter Downs:
Team: Tulsa Drillers (AA) ETA: 2021 Position: SS/2B/CF Age: 21 DOB: 07/27/1998 Bats: R Throws: R Height: 5' 11" Weight: 180 lb. Drafted: 2017, CBA (32) - CINOther Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#87)
Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55
Named after Derek Jeter and the younger brother of Red Sox first-base prospect Jerry Downs, Jeter went 32nd overall in the 2017 Draft and signed with the Reds for $1,822,500. Despite being one of the youngest regulars (age 19) in the pitcher-friendly Class A Midwest League, he produced 13 homers and 37 steals in his first full pro season -- numbers matched by only one other Minor Leaguer (Padres outfielder Buddy Reed). The Dodgers acquired him in December as part of a package for Yasiel Puig, Matt Kemp, Alex Wood and Kyle Farmer.
Downs has the tools to hit for average and power. He combines a simple right-handed swing with a patient, all-fields approach. He's strong for his size, delivering most of his home runs to his pull side and driving the ball to both gaps.
Downs gets the most out of his average speed, parlaying his aggressiveness and instincts into stolen bases. He played shortstop in his pro debut but spent more time in 2018 at second base, where his arm and range are better fits. He returned to shortstop at the beginning of 2019 and there's also a possibility that he winds up in center field, but the good news is that he has the bat to profile at all three positions.
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Post by shagworthy on Dec 23, 2019 15:07:30 GMT -5
If they end up trading Betts I don't think this is terrible in fact the more I think about it the more I like it; Betts to the Dodgers for Ross Stripling & Jeter Downs Jeter Downs: Team: Tulsa Drillers (AA) ETA: 2021 Position: SS/2B/CF Age: 21 DOB: 07/27/1998 Bats: R Throws: R Height: 5' 11" Weight: 180 lb. Drafted: 2017, CBA (32) - CINOther Lists: Top 100 Prospects (#87) Scouting grades: Hit: 55 | Power: 50 | Run: 50 | Arm: 55 | Field: 50 | Overall: 55 Named after Derek Jeter and the younger brother of Red Sox first-base prospect Jerry Downs, Jeter went 32nd overall in the 2017 Draft and signed with the Reds for $1,822,500. Despite being one of the youngest regulars (age 19) in the pitcher-friendly Class A Midwest League, he produced 13 homers and 37 steals in his first full pro season -- numbers matched by only one other Minor Leaguer (Padres outfielder Buddy Reed). The Dodgers acquired him in December as part of a package for Yasiel Puig, Matt Kemp, Alex Wood and Kyle Farmer. Downs has the tools to hit for average and power. He combines a simple right-handed swing with a patient, all-fields approach. He's strong for his size, delivering most of his home runs to his pull side and driving the ball to both gaps. Downs gets the most out of his average speed, parlaying his aggressiveness and instincts into stolen bases. He played shortstop in his pro debut but spent more time in 2018 at second base, where his arm and range are better fits. He returned to shortstop at the beginning of 2019 and there's also a possibility that he winds up in center field, but the good news is that he has the bat to profile at all three positions. - I'm not as bearish as everyone is about trading Betts, and I like the above idea. The quandary the Sox have faced is Betts has said time and time again he is going to test the FA market, which means the Sox could either resign him, or just as easily loose him for an unproven draft pick. That is too big of a risk for me, to keep him, and "hope" he re-signs, especially because there are plenty of teams with salary room that will probably drive that bid up to where it just doesn't make sense (Texas, Cincy, Palehoes, etc etc) I don't love these long term mega-contracts because no matter how great the player is, the last years of those deals are just dead money almost always. Miggy, Price, Kemp, Ellsbury, King Felix, Kershaw, Crawford, Kevin Brown, Prince Fielder... The writing is on the wall, down that road is underperformance relative to cost.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Dec 23, 2019 15:36:46 GMT -5
The assumption of the Dodgers and other clubs in contention for a year of Mookie is likely that the Sox are willing to sell low. I dearly hope that is not the case.
For example, rather than Downs and Stripling, I would look for Lux an May in return for Mookie. He is worth that sort of return and I hope that the Sox;
1. Solve the Tax penalty dilema without trading him
or;
2. Hold out until a return of the other teams top prospect and another to 100 is the return. Preferably one position player and one pitcher.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 23, 2019 16:11:33 GMT -5
The assumption of the Dodgers and other clubs in contention for a year of Mookie is likely that the Sox are willing to sell low. I dearly hope that is not the case. For example, rather than Downs and Stripling, I would look for Lux an May in return for Mookie. He is worth that sort of return and I hope that the Sox; 1. Solve the Tax penalty dilema without trading him or; 2. Hold out until a return of the other teams top prospect and another to 100 is the return. Preferably one position player and one pitcher. I like the optimism, but the Dodgers aren’t going to give up Lux or May in a Mookie Betts trade, let alone both of them.
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Post by shagworthy on Dec 23, 2019 17:42:44 GMT -5
The assumption of the Dodgers and other clubs in contention for a year of Mookie is likely that the Sox are willing to sell low. I dearly hope that is not the case. For example, rather than Downs and Stripling, I would look for Lux an May in return for Mookie. He is worth that sort of return and I hope that the Sox; 1. Solve the Tax penalty dilema without trading him or; 2. Hold out until a return of the other teams top prospect and another to 100 is the return. Preferably one position player and one pitcher. I like the optimism, but the Dodgers aren’t going to give up Lux or May in a Mookie Betts trade, let alone both of them. Agreed. If the Sox dig in and hold out for two guys of May and Lux quality, they will most likely be without dance partners at the ball. IF they are to trade him, they are going to have to aim for not quite ML ready talent in low A ball with a can't miss pedigree, and more of it. 3-4 prospects where hopefully 1 of them pans out. If the Sox would have dealt him at the last trade deadline you could reasonably expect talent like May and Lux, but that ship has sailed...
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Post by flourcitydoughboy on Jan 29, 2020 10:26:40 GMT -5
How about this trade proposal for a Betts deal with the Padres?
Padres get: Mookie Betts.
Red Sox get: Wil Myers + 30 million cash. Taylor Trammell Dinelson Lamet Franchy Cordero Michel Baez Anderson Espinoza
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Post by wcsoxfan on Jan 29, 2020 19:26:09 GMT -5
How about this trade proposal for a Betts deal with the Padres? Padres get: Mookie Betts. Red Sox get: Wil Myers + 30 million cash. Taylor Trammell Dinelson Lamet Franchy Cordero Michel Baez Anderson Espinoza Sounds great to me. Padres #2, #8, #28 (by MLB) prospects plus a cost controlled mid rotation starter and a 25 year old with crazy size/speed but with a lot of seeing and miss.... Don't think the Padres share our enthusiasm though. Rumors say the Padres won't even consider Trammell in the deal, so I think you're reaching. Maybe replace Trammell with Owen Miller; still would be a nice deal for the Red Sox.
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Post by mwgray13 on Jan 31, 2020 13:58:09 GMT -5
Is Betts going to play center if Bradley is traded? I would love to see the Sox challenge Betts position-wise, kinda like the Patriots do to their soon to be free agents. Ya, make him finally prove something coming off 2 MVP caliber seasons... Coming off 2 MVP seasons... He was the 3rd best on the roster last year. Great season last year but not MVP caliber. Keep sipping the kool-aid, and you'll have a Bryce Harper disaster on your hands. If he had to play centerfield his legs wouldn't be the same in the box or on the base paths. RF, and 3rd base are the most overstated positions by WAR. A guy of his stature and age will breakdown over the next 4 -5 year. No way I'm not trading him.
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