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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 20, 2019 20:34:00 GMT -5
Marc Topkin @tbtimes_Rays · 22m BREAKING: #Rays DFA Mat Duffy
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 21, 2019 2:14:43 GMT -5
This reminds me of nothing so much as the constant Breaking News chyron adopted by just about every TV news source, crying wolf at every opportunity. Not much meat on those bones, either on this story, or on Duffy for that matter.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2019 10:21:04 GMT -5
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It's a note on a message board man. Relax.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2019 10:38:48 GMT -5
Norm needs a laugh...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 21, 2019 10:47:18 GMT -5
This reminds me of nothing so much as the constant Breaking News chyron adopted by just about every TV news source, crying wolf at every opportunity. Not much meat on those bones, either on this story, or on Duffy for that matter. I'll admit that Duffy is a pretty low tier of interest as far as players go but he still makes contact and has good plate skills. Steamer has him at .267/.335/.378 which is good for a 95 wRC+. He's... probably more interesting that Chris Owings?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2019 10:57:09 GMT -5
This reminds me of nothing so much as the constant Breaking News chyron adopted by just about every TV news source, crying wolf at every opportunity. Not much meat on those bones, either on this story, or on Duffy for that matter. I'll admit that Duffy is a pretty low tier of interest as far as players go but he still makes contact and has good plate skills. Steamer has him at .267/.335/.378 which is good for a 95 wRC+. He's... probably more interesting that Chris Owings? He's still young and has had a series of injuries the past few seasons. A few years ago, he was considered the replacement for Eva Longoria. He's a solid defender and might make a decent 1B/3B option.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2019 13:00:07 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal
Grandal, in his four-year, $73M free-agent deal with the #WhiteSox, gets full no-trade protection next season and limited no-trade protection from 2021-23.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 21, 2019 13:46:18 GMT -5
? It's a note on a message board man. Relax. It was late at night...
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 21, 2019 13:48:58 GMT -5
Ken Rosenthal @ken_Rosenthal Grandal, in his four-year, $73M free-agent deal with the #WhiteSox, gets full no-trade protection next season and limited no-trade protection from 2021-23. That's a really good deal for him and for the White Sox. Maybe there will be a little action this year?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 21, 2019 16:20:17 GMT -5
Maybe owners won't worry about giving out those 3 or 4 year deals - they're probably figuring that there will be a strike and they won't have to pay those salaries in 2022 and possibly 2023.
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Post by ematz1423 on Nov 21, 2019 16:29:30 GMT -5
Maybe owners won't worry about giving out those 3 or 4 year deals - they're probably figuring that there will be a strike and they won't have to pay those salaries in 2022 and possibly 2023. This is a good point, but I have to wonder what a strike would do to the contracts. Could contracts end up freezing during a work stoppage making long term deals even riskier if players turn a year older and keep the same term? Just a thought that came across my mind that may be way off base.
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Post by orion09 on Nov 21, 2019 17:07:21 GMT -5
Maybe owners won't worry about giving out those 3 or 4 year deals - they're probably figuring that there will be a strike and they won't have to pay those salaries in 2022 and possibly 2023. This is a good point, but I have to wonder what a strike would do to the contracts. Could contracts end up freezing during a work stoppage making long term deals even riskier if players turn a year older and keep the same term? Just a thought that came across my mind that may be way off base. I would assume that not playing means the players don’t get paid - kind of like an unpaid suspension. I definitely don’t think their contracts would extend based on time not played. I’m not sure about the distinction between a strike and a lock-out though - maybe someone can clarify.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2019 19:27:00 GMT -5
Max Goldstein @maxsportsstudio ·
fWAR since 2015...
25.0 Bryce Harper (727 G) 24.9 YASMANI GRANDAL (663 G) 24.6 Manny Machado (793 G)
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Post by James Dunne on Nov 21, 2019 19:51:11 GMT -5
Baseball-Reference disagrees strongly:
Machado 23.4 Harper 21.6 Grandal 12.1
Now I am wondering if there is any position player with as big of a gap between bWAR and fWAR. Pithers can have big differences if they consistently over-perform or under-perform their FIP, but with position players you don't really see that.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 21, 2019 20:48:42 GMT -5
Baseball-Reference disagrees strongly: Machado 23.4 Harper 21.6 Grandal 12.1 Now I am wondering if there is any position player with as big of a gap between bWAR and fWAR. Pithers can have big differences if they consistently over-perform or under-perform their FIP, but with position players you don't really see that. As far as I can tell it's Fangraphs giving him credit for his framing and BR not. I know that Prospectus has framing included in catcher defense, and they give Grandal about the same defensive value as Fangraphs.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 21, 2019 21:03:07 GMT -5
Baseball-Reference disagrees strongly: Machado 23.4 Harper 21.6 Grandal 12.1 Now I am wondering if there is any position player with as big of a gap between bWAR and fWAR. Pithers can have big differences if they consistently over-perform or under-perform their FIP, but with position players you don't really see that. As far as I can tell it's Fangraphs giving him credit for his framing and BR not. I know that Prospectus has framing included in catcher defense, and they give Grandal about the same defensive value as Fangraphs. I've seen several tweets that credit Grandal with being one of the best framers in baseball. If that's the difference then the biggest differences between fWAR and bWAR are likely all catchers, both plus and minus.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 21, 2019 21:04:19 GMT -5
I don't think any WAR calculation adjusts enough for catcher defense.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Nov 21, 2019 21:07:13 GMT -5
I don't think any WAR calculation adjusts enough for catcher defense. Hopefully they can get that fixed before the robo zone obviates the entire concept in a couple years.
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Post by texs31 on Nov 22, 2019 10:16:45 GMT -5
Callis reporting that Seattle is set to sign Evan White to a 6 year deal before he ever hits the majors.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 22, 2019 10:37:05 GMT -5
Callis reporting that Seattle is set to sign Evan White to a 6 year deal before he ever hits the majors.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 22, 2019 10:50:23 GMT -5
That's a bit of a gamble for the Mariners, but if he puts up a 3 WAR season at any time during that period he earns the entire contract. The rest of his performance would be money in the bank for the team. He may have left quite a bit on the table.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2019 10:55:15 GMT -5
As far as I can tell it's Fangraphs giving him credit for his framing and BR not. I know that Prospectus has framing included in catcher defense, and they give Grandal about the same defensive value as Fangraphs. I've seen several tweets that credit Grandal with being one of the best framers in baseball. If that's the difference then the biggest differences between fWAR and bWAR are likely all catchers, both plus and minus. Yeah, Fangraphs credits him with being the most valuable defensive player in baseball over that period. BRef does say that it incorporates catcher framing in WAR. Clearly just does it differently.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 22, 2019 11:04:47 GMT -5
That's a bit of a gamble for the Mariners, but if he puts up a 3 WAR season at any time during that period he earns the entire contract. The rest of his performance would be money in the bank for the team. He may have left quite a bit on the table. Disagree that it's a risk to the team. That's only $4M a year. That's nothing. As JJ Cooper points out on Twitter, CJ Cron, who's been DFAed before, has made $18M pre-FA. White only needs to be a little better than a player in danger of being cut every year to justify the contract. Thread is worth reading
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 22, 2019 11:59:00 GMT -5
Chicago White Sox @whitesox
OFFICIAL: The #WhiteSox and José Abreu have agreed to terms on a three-year, $50-million contract.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Nov 22, 2019 12:32:04 GMT -5
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