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Post by nomar on Jan 21, 2020 23:09:33 GMT -5
God I hope we just pay the man.
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Post by corballer on Jan 23, 2020 9:47:52 GMT -5
Long time lurker, could you make a Mookie for Arenado trade work? Maybe Mookie and Price for Arenado.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 23, 2020 10:36:39 GMT -5
Long time lurker, could you make a Mookie for Arenado trade work? Maybe Mookie and Price for Arenado. I thought about that one the other day and I would love it but I can't think of a reason why the Rockies would want to make that swap, too much salary.
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Post by corballer on Jan 23, 2020 13:08:51 GMT -5
Long time lurker, could you make a Mookie for Arenado trade work? Maybe Mookie and Price for Arenado. I thought about that one the other day and I would love it but I can't think of a reason why the Rockies would want to make that swap, too much salary. I think you are right. Unless they were going to offer Mookie the moon. The interesting thing would be what we do at 3rd. I would hate to lose Devers but it could open you up to moving him for other pieces.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 23, 2020 19:13:59 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 23, 2020 20:46:49 GMT -5
So, uh, why the hell would we take on any part of Myers' contract unless the Padres were taking Price (doesn't seem to be the case here) or we're getting elite prospects also? Am I missing something here?
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Post by taftreign on Jan 23, 2020 20:47:00 GMT -5
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jan 23, 2020 21:50:04 GMT -5
So, uh, why the hell would we take on any part of Myers' contract unless the Padres were taking Price (doesn't seem to be the case here) or we're getting elite prospects also? Am I missing something here? The report is missing parts or just incorrect. There's no scenario where the Padres can acquire Mookie, take on no other bad contracts, move Myers deal, and hold onto their top 5 prospects. The surplus value of Mookie plus the negative value of Myers is not going to be bridged with a quantity package of non-top 5 guys.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jan 23, 2020 22:08:26 GMT -5
The report is missing parts or just incorrect. There's no scenario where the Padres can acquire Mookie, take on no other bad contracts, move Myers deal, and hold onto their top 5 prospects. The surplus value of Mookie plus the negative value of Myers is not going to be bridged with a quantity package of non-top 5 guys. Price and Mookie? No, top prospects!
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jan 24, 2020 0:00:41 GMT -5
McCaffrey reported tonight Cal Quantrill has been in the trade talks, which is interesting. Also mentions Margot.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 24, 2020 0:38:49 GMT -5
McCaffrey reported tonight Cal Quantrill has been in the trade talks, which is interesting. Also mentions Margot. Jeez, that would be an underwhelming trade. Quantrill has a good K/BB ratio but gives up a lot of hits. Has never really excelled in the minors and Margot has his warts, too. He'd be a decent replacement for JBJ but not for Betts. If they're going to make moves like that, they might as well find a taker for Price and trade JDM and just punt the season and get under the luxury tax. Hopefully that deal never sees the light of day.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 24, 2020 0:52:33 GMT -5
McCaffrey reported tonight Cal Quantrill has been in the trade talks, which is interesting. Also mentions Margot. Jeez, that would be an underwhelming trade. Quantrill has a good K/BB ratio but gives up a lot of hits. Has never really excelled in the minors and Margot has his warts, too. He'd be a decent replacement for JBJ but not for Betts. If they're going to make moves like that, they might as well find a taker for Price and trade JDM and just punt the season and get under the luxury tax. Hopefully that deal never sees the light of day. What was let out (Margot, Quantril) is like some kind of treading water kind of move. Exchanging betts for 6y control over a #4-5 type of starter and 3y of a JBJ replacement and hope Margot can hit a bit better in a far friendlier home stadium. It's not the worst of deals rumored for Betts.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 24, 2020 0:55:26 GMT -5
Jeez, that would be an underwhelming trade. Quantrill has a good K/BB ratio but gives up a lot of hits. Has never really excelled in the minors and Margot has his warts, too. He'd be a decent replacement for JBJ but not for Betts. If they're going to make moves like that, they might as well find a taker for Price and trade JDM and just punt the season and get under the luxury tax. Hopefully that deal never sees the light of day. What was let out (Margot, Quantril) is like some kind of treading water kind of move. Exchanging betts for 6y control over a #4-5 type of starter and 3y of a JBJ replacement and hope Margot can hit a bit better in a far friendlier home stadium. It's not the worst of deals rumored for Betts. Certainly not the best, either. If they have to make a deal like that, then they must strongly feel that Mookie is a goner and they have to take what they can get.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jan 24, 2020 2:48:34 GMT -5
Speier says talks are real and ongoing As possible names he mentions young MLBers: Trent Grisham, Jake Cronenworth, Cal Quantrill, Joey Lucchesi, Michel Baéz. Top 100 prospect: Luis Campusano. The 35th overall pick in the draft.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 24, 2020 3:16:15 GMT -5
Baez may well be one of the elite closers in a couple years. Rest don't thrill me in a Betts deal, Quantril probably the best. Agree with poster above and some others who have resigned themselves to probable reality tho.. Betts is hitting FA. Us wanting him to stay won't help. Whether or not best offer is now, or in July is the tricky part pretty much as sad as it is.
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Post by soxfanatic on Jan 24, 2020 4:35:08 GMT -5
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Post by Smittyw on Jan 24, 2020 6:45:24 GMT -5
God I hope we just pay the man. !!!
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 24, 2020 7:37:47 GMT -5
You can make up a ton of trades with all the young talent the Padres have. This is where Bloom comes him and how good is he.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 24, 2020 7:43:01 GMT -5
This makes it have validity. There is no way in hell the Boston Red Sox use Mookie Betts to just dump payroll. Quantril is a good prospect don't get me wrong. However, if you're going to make a deal like this you're better off running it back with Mookie and seeing if you can catch lightning in a bottle Dalbec at 1st. Big market clubs like the Yankees and Sox are not supposed to lose franchise players. Yet in the last few years the Sox have lost post season ace Jon Lester and now seemingly Mookie Betts.
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 24, 2020 8:53:40 GMT -5
I'd like to see them get Ismael Mena or Reginald Preciano as part of a package if this comes to fruition...couple of recent high bonus International signings. Mena in particular is of interest...6'3 185 and 70 speed according to Pipeline and seems to have a solid hit tool and plus make up. If we really are not getting a top 5 prospect I'd hope the deal would include Morejon, Baez and another upside prospect like this in addition to whatever roster talent is being discussed. Obviously Mena can't be the centerpiece but can hopefully provide a lottery ticket to dream on while watching Mookie rake in another uniform for the next 10-12 years. Morejon concerns me a bit and whether he'll be able to give you 180 innings year after year but the stuff is impressive. Weathers on the other hand, while a valuable asset for sure, just seems like a rare guy that has a floor of a #5 pitcher and a ceiling of a #5 pitcher...he knows what he's doing, how to attack hitters, won't walk anyone but is going to be hittable with his stuff and living in/around the strikezone.
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Post by soxcentral on Jan 24, 2020 10:24:02 GMT -5
The conspiracy theorist in me says the Sox leaked this to put pressure on the Dodgers.
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Post by lennsakata on Jan 24, 2020 10:33:51 GMT -5
The conspiracy theorist in me says the Sox leaked this to put pressure on the Dodgers. I think a lot of people are thinking that...acquire Betts and put even more distance between you and the competition or hold the line and see a division rival get that much stronger. Wonder how Betts and his agent will feel about going from Fenway to Petco in his walk year...that could be costly. He's obviously going to make a ton of money regardless but I think the concern about power and diminishing speed over the length of 10-12 years might get louder, even if reasonable people can point to the ballpark factor
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Post by soxcentral on Jan 24, 2020 10:38:19 GMT -5
The conspiracy theorist in me says the Sox leaked this to put pressure on the Dodgers. I think a lot of people are thinking that...acquire Betts and put even more distance between you and the competition or hold the line and see a division rival get that much stronger. Wonder how Betts and his agent will feel about going from Fenway to Petco in his walk year...that could be costly. He's obviously going to make a ton of money regardless but I think the concern about power and diminishing speed over the length of 10-12 years might get louder, even if reasonable people can point to the ballpark factor Exactly. Betts doesn't make a ton of sense for the Padres as a one year rental, he's a guy you give up a big package for only if you feel he'll help you get over the top.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jan 24, 2020 10:41:08 GMT -5
Maybe the Red Sox can ask the Padres to throw-in Margot?
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 24, 2020 10:45:49 GMT -5
Maybe the Red Sox can ask the Padres to throw-in Margot? Why? He's just not that good. He was a former top prospect here but Dombrowski was correct to trade him. You can't make this trade and not receive a top 5 prospect back. Especially if you're taking Myers. I don't care if Betts is leaving, the Sox are a contender to make the playoffs and part of that line of thinking is doing whatever you can to keep top talent. Mookie is perhaps the 2nd best player in the game. Of course he deserves a much better package than what the Diamondbacks got for Goldschmidt.
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