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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Feb 4, 2020 15:58:33 GMT -5
That is what the Dodgers called an attitude problem after getting drafted? That is a lot more. After reading everything it wasn't him, he was 19 partying with a 17 year old which isn't crazy. I just need a lot more information. Yet this isn't good and like how the F is this just coming out now? Just when I thought the I had a handle on the trade, then this. I need time to think, wow. Just because you hadn't seen it doesn't mean it's just coming out now.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 16:00:34 GMT -5
That is what the Dodgers called an attitude problem after getting drafted? That is a lot more. After reading everything it wasn't him, he was 19 partying with a 17 year old which isn't crazy. I just need a lot more information. Yet this isn't good and like how the F is this just coming out now? Just when I thought the I had a handle on the trade, then this. I need time to think, wow. Just because you hadn't seen it doesn't mean it's just coming out now. That's a fair point. It's getting rehashed, not coming out. If he wasn't being traded this wouldn't be mentioned.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 4, 2020 16:05:43 GMT -5
I was talking about the board and the fact zero scouting reports mention it. They just say slight attitude issues right after being drafted.
We've been talking about Verdugo since DD got fired and this just came up now. I'm amazed no Boston reporters have been on this. Makes you wonder!
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Post by incandenza on Feb 4, 2020 16:08:50 GMT -5
Ugh. Well this just got more depressing.
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Post by southernredsoxality on Feb 4, 2020 16:25:57 GMT -5
According to the girl’s own testimony:
-Verdugo didn’t take her to the party -Verdugo didn’t witness the alleged sexual assault -Verdugo didn’t lay a finger on her
Some of you guys need to get a grip, being at a party where something bad happened doesn’t make you a bad person.
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 16:38:16 GMT -5
I’m too lazy to go back, but pretend I deleted my last post. Don’t want people to think I don’t party.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 4, 2020 16:44:58 GMT -5
I was talking about the board and the fact zero scouting reports mention it. They just say slight attitude issues right after being drafted. We've been talking about Verdugo since DD got fired and this just came up now. I'm amazed no Boston reporters have been on this. Makes you wonder! The longer this goes on, the more likely I am to find out that at age 12 Wil Meyers once stole a bike or that Gonsolin hates Avengers movies. Come to think of it, I know Mookie Betts does. Trade him.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 16:48:37 GMT -5
I was talking about the board and the fact zero scouting reports mention it. They just say slight attitude issues right after being drafted. We've been talking about Verdugo since DD got fired and this just came up now. I'm amazed no Boston reporters have been on this. Makes you wonder! The longer this goes on, the more likely I am to find out that at age 12 Wil Meyers once stole a bike or that Gonsolin hates Avengers movies. Come to think of it, I know Mookie Betts does. Trade him. David Price plays Baby Shark and the Kars for Kids jingle on loop.
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 16:50:35 GMT -5
I do think the Padres can still offer the best package for future value if Gonsolin or Gray aren't included.
The Padres could offer- Patino Campusano Competitive balance pick Margot Quantrill Myers
For Mookie plus qualifying offer pick (real high pick because they're below the CBT)
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Post by nomar on Feb 4, 2020 16:57:22 GMT -5
Why do people want Quantrill aside from bloodlines? He hasn’t been good at any stop since rookie ball. He would get demolished in this division. My realistic best hope is that he can make a decent reliever. Maybe I’m missing something
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 4, 2020 17:02:20 GMT -5
Why do people want Quantrill aside from bloodlines? He hasn’t been good at any stop since rookie ball. He would get demolished in this division. My realistic best hope is that he can make a decent reliever. Maybe I’m missing something I see a lot of Rick Porcello in him in terms of stuff, not durability (obviously).
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Post by Gwell55 on Feb 4, 2020 17:20:44 GMT -5
According to the girl’s own testimony: -Verdugo didn’t take her to the party -Verdugo didn’t witness the alleged sexual assault -Verdugo didn’t lay a finger on her Some of you guys need to get a grip, being in a party where something bad happened doesn’t make you a bad person. "This wasn’t consensual, she told them. She was passing out during the act. He gave up trying when the rest of the group re-entered the room, perhaps, she said, out of frustration." I'm confused here... how did she know he sexually assaulted her if she was passed out? When I was in college I too was passed out and I don't remember anything during the time I was passed out. So the other guy may or may not of done anything sexual during that time... or one of the women could of or the other guy. That article is much to go on especially from the none news outfit that sent it out. It seems kind of partial to me. Also it appears Grandma did ask for money. Any way that isn't on Verdugo to me unless he did the videoed part of the physical assault on her.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 4, 2020 17:23:44 GMT -5
Please keep to discussion of a Mookie trade generally. Any further discussion about the specifics of Verdugo's situation will be moved from the thread.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Feb 4, 2020 17:44:18 GMT -5
I was talking about the board and the fact zero scouting reports mention it. They just say slight attitude issues right after being drafted. We've been talking about Verdugo since DD got fired and this just came up now. I'm amazed no Boston reporters have been on this. Makes you wonder! The longer this goes on, the more likely I am to find out that at age 12 Wil Meyers once stole a bike or that Gonsolin hates Avengers movies. Come to think of it, I know Mookie Betts does. Trade him. Maybe this is why stories/alleged misdeeds were buried of celebrities many years ago.. They knew how rumor mills and hype would blow up a finger scratch into an arm amputation.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 4, 2020 17:53:08 GMT -5
I do think the Padres can still offer the best package for future value if Gonsolin or Gray aren't included. The Padres could offer- Patino Campusano Competitive balance pick Margot Quantrill Myers For Mookie plus qualifying offer pick (real high because they're below the CBT) Even after signing Hosmer and Machado the last two off seasons the Padres only filled Petco Park at 70% last season. Adding Mookie could move that needle 15-20% and give them some playoff hopes. But if neither occurs and they give up two top prospects for one season of Mookie heads will roll. If this truly is Preller's last shot though, he simply can't let the Dodgers outbid him for Mookie. www.forbes.com/sites/barrymbloom/2019/11/01/aj-prellers-last-stand-as-general-manager-of-san-diego-padres/#17c2087a7cda
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 4, 2020 17:53:14 GMT -5
Sorry for bringing that up. Yeah, let's just note it and move forward rather than debate the merits.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 4, 2020 19:09:59 GMT -5
Hmmm... Dodgers using their beat writers to send a message to Bloom about their asking price, perhaps?
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 4, 2020 19:16:46 GMT -5
Actually, it doesn't get us under the tax limit, unless the Dodgers eat virtually all of Pollack's contract. The Sox would have to trade JBJ as well if they don't, and Pollock would become the CFer.
It's an interesting wrinkle if the Dodgers pay a lot of Pollock's contract.
Hi can you show me where my error is? Mookie 27 + Price 32 = 59, subtract Pollock 12 = we save $47M. How does that not get us below 208? Because I missed that you had Price in the deal, which I missed because that's a terrible deal that makes no sense. I looked at the return first, and when I saw it, it never occurred to me to check whether you were giving up more than Mookie. The rest of your deal has Betts for Verdugo, Downs, and Stripling, which is basically the consensus expectation with Stripling substituted for a prospect TBD. Since taking on Pollack's full contract has a solid chance of being a net negative, because you are filling an easily filled roster spot, I thought that that was your pessimistic take on the trade.
And why exactly are you trading Price even up for a 4th OF ... and furthermore, in order to get $17M below the limit?
Earlier you questioned me (in your usual gracious way) for asserting that Price still had considerable value, when he's projected at 3.0 WAR (which seems conservative to many people because the algorithms don't know he was great and then hurt), and guys that good are getting $7M to $7.5M per win as free agents. He's far and away the best pitcher who might be available now (something I checked a while back, pretty thoroughly) and other folks have pointed out what kind of contract guys as good as him have gotten this winter.
You seem to miss the point that overpaying a fourth outfielder by $9M is not the same as overpaying a #2 starter by $9M.
And there's nothing in the media that suggests the Dodgers are willing to give us Verdugo for Betts only if we give them Price for what amounts to cheap. If your guess is that all the rumors are wrong and that Betts for Verdugo and Downs is dependent on a Price giveaway, make that argument. If you think that Price is a pure albatross and that swapping him and his contract for Pollock's isn't a huge win for the Dodgers, make that argument.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 4, 2020 19:29:41 GMT -5
Hmmm... Dodgers using their beat writers to send a message to Bloom about their asking price, perhaps? I'm thinking that it fell apart. For the best anyways. Force JWH to pay that tax. Try to win a title.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 4, 2020 19:39:41 GMT -5
Hmmm... Dodgers using their beat writers to send a message to Bloom about their asking price, perhaps? I'm thinking that it fell apart. For the best anyways. Force JWH to pay that tax. Try to win a title. Losing Mookie and getting nothing of real value in return would be such a disaster.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 4, 2020 20:08:57 GMT -5
Hmmm... Dodgers using their beat writers to send a message to Bloom about their asking price, perhaps? I'm thinking that it fell apart. For the best anyways. Force JWH to pay that tax. Try to win a title. Not the right read of the situation.
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Post by stevedillard on Feb 4, 2020 20:19:14 GMT -5
Hmmm... Dodgers using their beat writers to send a message to Bloom about their asking price, perhaps? Sounds like Dodgers ownership is trying to send a message to Friedman.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 20:20:24 GMT -5
If you can't trade your best player I guess alienating him is the next best thing. Bloom is leaving very little room to have a moderate opinion of him, right now I'm at extreme negative.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 4, 2020 20:27:49 GMT -5
Hi can you show me where my error is? Mookie 27 + Price 32 = 59, subtract Pollock 12 = we save $47M. How does that not get us below 208? Because I missed that you had Price in the deal, which I missed because that's a terrible deal that makes no sense. I looked at the return first, and when I saw it, it never occurred to me to check whether you were giving up more than Mookie. The rest of your deal has Betts for Verdugo, Downs, and Stripling, which is basically the consensus expectation with Stripling substituted for a prospect TBD. Since taking on Pollack's full contract has a solid chance of being a net negative, because you are filling an easily filled roster spot, I thought that that was your pessimistic take on the trade.
And why exactly are you trading Price even up for a 4th OF ... and furthermore, in order to get $17M below the limit?
Earlier you questioned me (in your usual gracious way) for asserting that Price still had considerable value, when he's projected at 3.0 WAR (which seems conservative to many people because the algorithms don't know he was great and then hurt), and guys that good are getting $7M to $7.5M per win as free agents. He's far and away the best pitcher who might be available now (something I checked a while back, pretty thoroughly) and other folks have pointed out what kind of contract guys as good as him have gotten this winter.
You seem to miss the point that overpaying a fourth outfielder by $9M is not the same as overpaying a #2 starter by $9M.
And there's nothing in the media that suggests the Dodgers are willing to give us Verdugo for Betts only if we give them Price for what amounts to cheap. If your guess is that all the rumors are wrong and that Betts for Verdugo and Downs is dependent on a Price giveaway, make that argument. If you think that Price is a pure albatross and that swapping him and his contract for Pollock's isn't a huge win for the Dodgers, make that argument.
Sorry for expecting you to read my actual words before you criticize my math. I have little faith that Price will be worth 3 WAR for each of the next three years. Some people put him as low as 1.6 for 2020. others suggest he would Get very little as a free agent, though I know none of them are as smart as you. I imagine he might be more attractive to the Dodgers because he’s now a “proven winner.” For 2021 and 2022, there is a huge chance that Price will be worth even less as he ages.I want to free up money to sign Betts or someone else in 2021 or 2022 I am trying to think of a way to get under 208. I saw your claim that “the Padres want Price” and asked you about it. I guess you’re too busy. Seems like a pipe dream. Wouldn’t they still be miles behind the Dodgers? I like Pollock more than Myers. Your “ there's nothing in the media that suggests the Dodgers are willing to give us Verdugo for Betts only if we give them Price” is a hilarious shifting of burdens of proof. I have no confidence, based on sifting all available evidence with a skeptical eye, that they will actually give us Verdugo and Downs for Betts. i don’t think we know anything about what is really going on. Hard not to get test with this long waiting.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 4, 2020 20:31:59 GMT -5
If you can't trade your best player I guess alienating him is the next best thing. Bloom is leaving very little room to have a moderate opinion of him, right now I'm at extreme negative. I'm thinking that Mookie is a big boy and realizes that he's kind of forcing the team's hand here.
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