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Post by dmaineah on Nov 26, 2019 8:31:44 GMT -5
Michael Chavis for Jonathan Villar.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 26, 2019 18:21:15 GMT -5
You want to trade six years of Chavis for one year of Villar?
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Post by dmaineah on Nov 26, 2019 20:15:34 GMT -5
You want to trade six years of Chavis for one year of Villar? A suspect for a proven MLB Player that they can extend, yes
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 26, 2019 21:17:04 GMT -5
You want to trade six years of Chavis for one year of Villar? A suspect for a proven MLB Player that they can extend, yes There’s so much wrong with this trade idea. Villar has a career OPS+ of 97. Even last year in a 4 win season, his wRC was 99. wRC+ was 107. He turns 29 early next season. And you want to trade a controllable, versatile, young player with serious pop and starter upside for one year of this player. Hard, hard pass. I will give you the fact that Villar is definitely more dependable. Gotta commend a guy that plays 162 games a season. But still, not a chance.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 26, 2019 22:20:19 GMT -5
You want to trade six years of Chavis for one year of Villar? A suspect for a proven MLB Player that they can extend, yes Yes we should trade potential 30 HR/year suspects with 6 years of control for proven mediocre talent. Great shortsighted thinking.
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 27, 2019 16:24:13 GMT -5
And that’s why you don’t make that trade.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 27, 2019 16:38:15 GMT -5
And that’s why you don’t make that trade. but, but, but....we could have traded away 6 years of Michael Chavis for this proven talent who's now on the unemployment line. We should have jumped at the chance to deal away Chavis for Villar!
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 27, 2019 16:44:58 GMT -5
Villar is a good option for this team for cheaper dollars than he's making now. Once he probably makes free agency, the Sox should pounce and get him at their price. Yeah other than the bad trade proposal, it's not a terrible idea.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Nov 27, 2019 17:45:19 GMT -5
Villar is a good option for this team for cheaper dollars than he's making now. Once he probably makes free agency, the Sox should pounce and get him at their price. Yeah other than the bad trade proposal, it's not a terrible idea. He hit .274, 24 hrs, and stole 40 bases. They aren't going to get him at "their price", he'll have other suitors.
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Post by jimed14 on Nov 27, 2019 21:31:23 GMT -5
Villar had 4 fWAR last season and the Orioles waive him? Maybe the league should take over and revoke the ownership of that team. Not that I'm a huge Villar fan, but he led the damn team in WAR last year. Proof that they're going to tank for at least another year. And now they'll have a $70 million payroll instead of $80 million. MLB is becoming a joke with this crap.
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Post by dirtywater43 on Nov 27, 2019 23:18:38 GMT -5
Villar is a good option for this team for cheaper dollars than he's making now. Once he probably makes free agency, the Sox should pounce and get him at their price. Yeah other than the bad trade proposal, it's not a terrible idea. He hit .274, 24 hrs, and stole 40 bases. They aren't going to get him at "their price", he'll have other suitors. The Sox should actually claim him if they have the chance. He was worth double last year with the projected salary he was going to get in his last year of arbitration (10.4 million). Better investment than JBJ and his 10-12 million if I had to pick a player.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 30, 2019 14:30:27 GMT -5
Villar is a good option for this team for cheaper dollars than he's making now. Once he probably makes free agency, the Sox should pounce and get him at their price. Yeah other than the bad trade proposal, it's not a terrible idea. He hit .274, 24 hrs, and stole 40 bases. They aren't going to get him at "their price", he'll have other suitors. You’re probably right, but it’s really tough to say these days with the wonky FA dynamics. Aside from his cruddy 2017, he’s been an above-average player for 4 years. But last year was almost certainly a career season, and he’s someone subject to value loss with a less juicy ball. I’m pretty surprised the O’s nontendered him, because even at $10M, he’s almost a sure-fire deadline trade candidate if he’s even close to his production last year. Nobody’s going to balk at $4M for a rental first-division regular who can passably play SS and give you above-average 2b defense. At the same time...is he really going to get a Marwin Gonzalez deal without the versatility? Idk. He’d be a terrific addition for the Sox, although probably not at $10M, simply due to salary constraints. I could see him getting claimed pretty quickly; I could also see him becoming a FA and getting a 3/$18M deal, too. I will say this: he’s absolutely a guy who would help the Sox significantly, but it would essentially require several moving pieces. I’m not keen on moving Chavis, but a Chavis-JBJ-Houck-40+ FV package to CO for Gray and then picking up Villar and Shogo Akiyama would set the Sox back $10M but make them a WAY better team imo.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2019 14:54:29 GMT -5
Why didn't they trade him at the deadline? To non-tender a guy after a career year when you were one of the worst teams in Baseball makes no sense.
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Post by telson13 on Nov 30, 2019 19:45:00 GMT -5
Why didn't they trade him at the deadline? To non-tender a guy after a career year when you were one of the worst teams in Baseball makes no sense. They did try, but apparently didn’t get what they wanted for an offer. Which, since they knew they wouldn’t keep him, makes it all even more stupid. What’s the value of holding out?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 30, 2019 21:07:32 GMT -5
Why didn't they trade him at the deadline? To non-tender a guy after a career year when you were one of the worst teams in Baseball makes no sense. They did try, but apparently didn’t get what they wanted for an offer. Which, since they knew they wouldn’t keep him, makes it all even more stupid. What’s the value of holding out? Now or at the deadline? Like right now I can see the market not giving up much, yet at the deadline they should have got something decent.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Nov 30, 2019 21:29:04 GMT -5
They did try, but apparently didn’t get what they wanted for an offer. Which, since they knew they wouldn’t keep him, makes it all even more stupid. What’s the value of holding out? Now or at the deadline? Like right now I can see the market not giving up much, yet at the deadline they should have got something decent. It is kind of mind boggling that they couldn't get anything for a guy who was an asset, whom they didn't intend to keep beyond the season. What a waste. Villar will help some team. He'll probably become too expensive for the Red Sox. If the Sox don't opt to keep Brock Holt and are looking for a LH hitting 2b, then I guess I would roll the dice with Scooter Gennett and hope he can bounce back to the good player he was in Cincy. But otherwise Villar would be a nice pickup.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 2, 2019 14:16:10 GMT -5
They did try, but apparently didn’t get what they wanted for an offer. Which, since they knew they wouldn’t keep him, makes it all even more stupid. What’s the value of holding out? Now or at the deadline? Like right now I can see the market not giving up much, yet at the deadline they should have got something decent. Last deadline. I’ve got to think they got offered *something*, although I don’t know specifics. Kind of a no-brainer, but given what happened with Britton...well, we know how that went. Now they can still move him, but the return will clearly be limited by time and they’re over a barrel.
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