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Post by dmaineah on Dec 15, 2019 10:14:54 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Dec 15, 2019 10:25:25 GMT -5
This is wild.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 15, 2019 10:28:11 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today. C'mon. He's been there for five minutes and has almost two hands tied behind his back with ownership unwilling to spend money. Look, I don't think much of Peraza and if Martin is going to replace Price's spot in the rotation, it's going to be long year. Wasn't thrilled about the Sox spending $9 million on two mediocrities when money is so tight, but despite that, rushing to judgment on Bloom is absolutely crazy.Give Bloom some money and/or more space to work with, time to get the farm system up and going, and then after a few years have passed, you can make a rational judgment. Making a judgment on the totality of who he is as a GM right now is insane. And as far as the rumors of Betts, and Price being dealt.....that preceded Bloom, so why you'd tie that Bloom as if he came in and decided that the Sox have to get under the luxury tax limit - that's not on Bloom, that's ownership's decision which he's carrying out, and you know damn well that won't be the directive next year. It's obvious Henry and company will spend for the 2021 season, although we have no idea if Betts wants to stay or if the Red Sox want to give him 40 million/year and/or 400 plus million, but they'll spend in 2021. Payroll will probably go back up to around 240 million again, but this year, it's going to be below 208 million, and if the Sox are mediocre this year, then that's how it's going to be. I'm not going to hold Bloom responsible for that.
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Post by dmaineah on Dec 15, 2019 10:41:41 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today. C'mon. He's been there for five minutes and has almost two hands tied behind his back with ownership unwilling to spend money. Look, I don't think much of Peraza and if Martin is going to replace Price's spot in the rotation, it's going to be long year. Wasn't thrilled about the Sox spending $9 million on two mediocrities when money is so tight, but despite that, rushing to judgment on Bloom is absolutely crazy. Give Bloom some money and/or more space to work with, time to get the farm system up and going, and then after a few years have passed, you can make a rational judgment. Making a judgment on the totality of who he is as a GM right now is insane.And as far as the rumors of Betts, and Price being dealt.....that preceded Bloom, so why you'd tie that Bloom as if he came in and decided that the Sox have to get under the luxury tax limit - that's not on Bloom, that's ownership's decision which he's carrying out, and you know damn well that won't be the directive next year. It's obvious Henry and company will spend for the 2021 season, although we have no idea if Betts wants to stay or if the Red Sox want to give him 40 million/year and/or 400 plus million, but they'll spend in 2021. Payroll will probably go back up to around 240 million again, but this year, it's going to be below 208 million, and if the Sox are mediocre this year, then that's how it's going to be. I'm not going to hold Bloom responsible for that. Wow, you read way to much into my post.
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Post by jdb on Dec 15, 2019 11:00:07 GMT -5
I was expecting a few World Series by now.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 11:20:21 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today. C'mon. He's been there for five minutes and has almost two hands tied behind his back with ownership unwilling to spend money. Look, I don't think much of Peraza and if Martin is going to replace Price's spot in the rotation, it's going to be long year. Wasn't thrilled about the Sox spending $9 million on two mediocrities when money is so tight, but despite that, rushing to judgment on Bloom is absolutely crazy.Give Bloom some money and/or more space to work with, time to get the farm system up and going, and then after a few years have passed, you can make a rational judgment. Making a judgment on the totality of who he is as a GM right now is insane. And as far as the rumors of Betts, and Price being dealt.....that preceded Bloom, so why you'd tie that Bloom as if he came in and decided that the Sox have to get under the luxury tax limit - that's not on Bloom, that's ownership's decision which he's carrying out, and you know damn well that won't be the directive next year. It's obvious Henry and company will spend for the 2021 season, although we have no idea if Betts wants to stay or if the Red Sox want to give him 40 million/year and/or 400 plus million, but they'll spend in 2021. Payroll will probably go back up to around 240 million again, but this year, it's going to be below 208 million, and if the Sox are mediocre this year, then that's how it's going to be. I'm not going to hold Bloom responsible for that. Well said, might be the best explanation I have read of the off season yet. Ownership just wants to minimize the penalties moving forward. If that is the case and it isn't just "a goal" then expectations for next year need to be tempured as they will have to cut a lot. Beginning to think a JBJ and Price trade will happen.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 15, 2019 11:27:12 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today. Are you this grumpy in every day life?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Dec 15, 2019 11:31:35 GMT -5
C'mon. He's been there for five minutes and has almost two hands tied behind his back with ownership unwilling to spend money. Look, I don't think much of Peraza and if Martin is going to replace Price's spot in the rotation, it's going to be long year. Wasn't thrilled about the Sox spending $9 million on two mediocrities when money is so tight, but despite that, rushing to judgment on Bloom is absolutely crazy. Give Bloom some money and/or more space to work with, time to get the farm system up and going, and then after a few years have passed, you can make a rational judgment. Making a judgment on the totality of who he is as a GM right now is insane.And as far as the rumors of Betts, and Price being dealt.....that preceded Bloom, so why you'd tie that Bloom as if he came in and decided that the Sox have to get under the luxury tax limit - that's not on Bloom, that's ownership's decision which he's carrying out, and you know damn well that won't be the directive next year. It's obvious Henry and company will spend for the 2021 season, although we have no idea if Betts wants to stay or if the Red Sox want to give him 40 million/year and/or 400 plus million, but they'll spend in 2021. Payroll will probably go back up to around 240 million again, but this year, it's going to be below 208 million, and if the Sox are mediocre this year, then that's how it's going to be. I'm not going to hold Bloom responsible for that. Wow, you read way to much into my post. Guess I'm not the only one.
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Post by Addam603 on Dec 15, 2019 11:40:25 GMT -5
So far I'm unimpressed. Osich, Peraza, Perez...YUCK, YUCK, YUCK. Rumors of Betts, Price, Benintendi & others being traded. More YUCK. He better do something that's viewed as positive or it's going to be an unhappy clubhouse & a team that underperforms. Or he might not be around 2 years from today. This take is crazy and has no bearing in reality. Bloom has done a really good job so far with what he’s had to work with. Osich: cheap pitching depth that he then negotiated a better deal with. Peraza: utility guy that’s cheaper than Holt will be that’s got some hitting and baserunning upside. Plus he’s controllable. Perez: durable innings eater with some intriguing upside if his pitches are worked on. Plus Bloom made the right decisions on nontendering Hernández, outfighting Brian Johnson, and not protecting Baxardo. Ownership has given him $1.34 to work with and he’s done a good job with it so far.
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Post by julyanmorley on Dec 15, 2019 11:43:00 GMT -5
Perez and Peraza for $9 million with three team option years between them is great work at the margins.
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Post by blumj on Dec 15, 2019 12:19:40 GMT -5
Seems like what the Rays always do make moves that seem like they're going to make their team worse, and they actually end up making them as good or even a little better.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Dec 15, 2019 12:31:05 GMT -5
Wow, you read way to much into my post. Literally your post: What exactly do you expect people to "read into" stuff like this?
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Post by soxcentral on Dec 15, 2019 13:47:14 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Dec 15, 2019 14:28:38 GMT -5
Interesting. The concerns of many on the board were apparently well-founded. I had a rosier perspective which looks to have been just the glasses. Wren and La Russa weren't just hanging around it seems.
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Post by Coreno on Dec 15, 2019 16:35:25 GMT -5
I think he'll win you over in two weeks when he trades JBJ.
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Post by telson13 on Dec 15, 2019 18:37:50 GMT -5
I think he'll win you over in two weeks when he trades JBJ. OMG 🤣🤣🤣 It’s funny cuz it’s true.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 16, 2019 0:40:23 GMT -5
I don't say this lightly but people like this straight up don't deserve to be sports fans lol.
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Post by mobaz on Dec 16, 2019 9:02:20 GMT -5
Not a lot of moves have occurred that I wish the Sox had done. The Kluber trade, but that comes from a team okay with adding salary, which the Sox are obviously not. None of the big FA signings were shrewd.
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Post by Smittyw on Dec 16, 2019 9:58:32 GMT -5
C'mon. He's been there for five minutes and has almost two hands tied behind his back with ownership unwilling to spend money. And really, it's even worse than that, as ownership is not only unwilling to spend new money, but is making Bloom trade off key parts of the roster in order to shed money that's already been committed. And this is somehow...his fault?
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 16, 2019 12:27:45 GMT -5
dmaine is known for pushing the envelope with some posts ? What's the big deal ?? I don't agree with the money in the Perez signing, that is for sure.
If a culture of increased communication leads to a stronger franchise, i am all for it. I am cautious whenever I read about something that refers to an improvement over the Dombrowski regime, until there is data to supper the change being quantifiable...vis a vis....wins / titles.
I know people around here may be frustrated about the state of the farm / luxury tax / health of the franchise from Dombrowski regime, but winning 3 straight division titles and a world championship comes along less frequently than Haley's comet when your a Sox fan. Any Bloom criticism is absolutely fair game....be isn't managing the Rays anymore. If someone doesn't like something...they should say it.
I personally am glad LaRussa is gone and am anxiously waiting for Blooms successes as well
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 16, 2019 12:52:03 GMT -5
Somebody want to tell someone that the Sox have won 4 World Series over the past 16 years and that the curse was broken in 2004.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Dec 16, 2019 13:19:29 GMT -5
I am not sure if you are referring to my post, but if so, what about the 3 straight division titles ?
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Dec 16, 2019 13:57:21 GMT -5
dmaine is known for pushing the envelope with some posts ? What's the big deal ?? I don't agree with the money in the Perez signing, that is for sure. If a culture of increased communication leads to a stronger franchise, i am all for it. I am cautious whenever I read about something that refers to an improvement over the Dombrowski regime, until there is data to supper the change being quantifiable...vis a vis....wins / titles. I know people around here may be frustrated about the state of the farm / luxury tax / health of the franchise from Dombrowski regime, but winning 3 straight division titles and a world championship comes along less frequently than Haley's comet when your a Sox fan. Any Bloom criticism is absolutely fair game....be isn't managing the Rays anymore. If someone doesn't like something...they should say it. I personally am glad LaRussa is gone and am anxiously waiting for Blooms successes as well Being unreasonable, impatient, and complaining is not "pushing the envelope".
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Post by Don Caballero on Dec 16, 2019 14:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Dec 16, 2019 14:32:40 GMT -5
dmaine is known for pushing the envelope with some posts ? What's the big deal ?? I don't agree with the money in the Perez signing, that is for sure. If a culture of increased communication leads to a stronger franchise, i am all for it. I am cautious whenever I read about something that refers to an improvement over the Dombrowski regime, until there is data to supper the change being quantifiable...vis a vis....wins / titles. I know people around here may be frustrated about the state of the farm / luxury tax / health of the franchise from Dombrowski regime, but winning 3 straight division titles and a world championship comes along less frequently than Haley's comet when your a Sox fan. Any Bloom criticism is absolutely fair game....be isn't managing the Rays anymore. If someone doesn't like something...they should say it. I personally am glad LaRussa is gone and am anxiously waiting for Blooms successes as well Let's look at the differences between the beginning of the Dombrowski regime and the Bloom regime. Dombrowski had a ton of budget room, an incredible young and greatly improving core, the best farm system in baseball and an owner who hired him specifically to spend money and trade prospects to push the team over the top. There are probably a dozen GMs who could have won with what Dombrowski was handed. Bloom was hired because Dombrowksi used up all of the budget and then some and decimated the farm system. His goals set by Henry are to undo the complete mess that Dombrowksi left for him. Henry is to blame for not reigning in Dombrowski after they won the WS. Like the Eovaldi signing never should have been allowed if they all knew they'd have zero budget room last season and would be faced with cutting payroll this season. There are honestly zero ways to compare the two of them because their situations couldn't be more different. I actually credit Cherington at least as much as Dombrowski for building such an incredible farm system. Where would they have been without that? If Bloom can't win a division in the next 3 years, that will be completely on Dombrowski and Henry, not on him.
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