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Post by jimed14 on Jan 15, 2020 19:00:50 GMT -5
Definitely an option, but it seems like they're going outside the org. I'm leaning Eduardo Perez 1st, Matt Quatraro 2nd and Sam Fuld 3rd.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 15, 2020 22:41:52 GMT -5
I don't know what will happen with Ron Roenicke, but I am interested in seeing Jason Varitek manage at some point soon. Not having managerial experience at any level is no longer necessarily a deterrent. Aaron Boone has 203 wins the past two seasons and not a day of managerial experience prior to that.
That said, if you go that route, you need an experienced bench coach, kind of what the Sox did years ago when they had Zimmer sitting with rookie manager Butch Hobson, not that either were a good choice, but you could have Tek manage with Roenicke or another guy with experience in the manager's chair or you could go vice versa and have Roenicke manage with Tek as bench coach, too.
I think this is more than a fantasy/wish.
I think the Red Sox are sincere that they want Tek to have a big role in the organization and it sounds like Tek now does want to manage.
That said, there's no guarantee he's the right guy.
I'd be concerned that his personality might not mesh with the ballplayers the way Cora's did. Tek was a leader with the Sox and very respected, but it sounds like he was on the quiet side and his leadership came from other players admiring his work ethic and preparation for the game. The pitchers certainly trusted him implicitly.
I would think he could handle a pitching staff and I do think he'd be welcoming of analytics. I remember the night the Sox won the Series in 2018, he was interviewed afterwards - it was interesting to see him with A-Rod and shaking hands with him. That wasn't the warmest thing, but fortunately Big Papi was there and you could see he was happy to be around Ortiz.
He was mentioning the defensive improvements that he had the catching corps working on and was spouting off statistics, so I do think there's a chance he'd be very welcoming of the analytics, but he'd probably also blend his own intuition.
I remember reading somewhere that he got a lot of his baseball knowledge through his relationship with Pedro Martinez, who also has a brilliant baseball mind as well.
If it's not Tek and the Sox aren't doing the interim thing, then yeah, they're going outside the organization, but I also think they risk losing Tek down the road if they go elsewhere and I don't think that's what they want. If he wants to manage, sooner or later, he'll get that chance.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 15, 2020 23:02:28 GMT -5
I don't know what will happen with Ron Roenicke, but I am interested in seeing Jason Varitek manage at some point soon. Not having managerial experience at any level is no longer necessarily a deterrent. Aaron Boone has 203 wins the past two seasons and not a day of managerial experience prior to that. That said, if you go that route, you need an experienced bench coach, kind of what the Sox did years ago when they had Zimmer sitting with rookie manager Butch Hobson, not that either were a good choice, but you could have Tek manage with Roenicke or another guy with experience in the manager's chair or you could go vice versa and have Roenicke manage with Tek as bench coach, too. I think this is more than a fantasy/wish. I think the Red Sox are sincere that they want Tek to have a big role in the organization and it sounds like Tek now does want to manage. That said, there's no guarantee he's the right guy. I'd be concerned that his personality might not mesh with the ballplayers the way Cora's did. Tek was a leader with the Sox and very respected, but it sounds like he was on the quiet side and his leadership came from other players admiring his work ethic and preparation for the game. The pitchers certainly trusted him implicitly. I would think he could handle a pitching staff and I do think he'd be welcoming of analytics. I remember the night the Sox won the Series in 2018, he was interviewed afterwards - it was interesting to see him with A-Rod and shaking hands with him. That wasn't the warmest thing, but fortunately Big Papi was there and you could see he was happy to be around Ortiz. He was mentioning the defensive improvements that he had the catching corps working on and was spouting off statistics, so I do think there's a chance he'd be very welcoming of the analytics, but he'd probably also blend his own intuition. I remember reading somewhere that he got a lot of his baseball knowledge through his relationship with Pedro Martinez, who also has a brilliant baseball mind as well. If it's not Tek and the Sox aren't doing the interim thing, then yeah, they're going outside the organization, but I also think they risk losing Tek down the road if they go elsewhere and I don't think that's what they want. If he wants to manage, sooner or later, he'll get that chance. To me it seems like Varitek is being groomed for the long term at perhaps either a front office position or managing. When Varitek was mentioned a few years ago I wasn't that enthused because I didn't think he'd be analytics minded, but at this point he's likely been learning and hanging around the front office and field enough that I'm sure he's received more than a crash course in analytics and the modern dynamic of collaboration between front office and manager.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Jan 15, 2020 23:56:49 GMT -5
Gedman hasn't been mentioned here. He's been around all the various levels the last several years working with players. I remember him well playing with the HaSox. An affable, chatty fellow with great personality. Perhaps he could be inline for something at the MLB level now.
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Post by voiceofreason on Jan 16, 2020 1:01:36 GMT -5
I think that if Tek wants the job he gets the job. With everything that is going on that is a detriment to the team making a fan friendly move is smart. And Tek is an obvious choice that could be the guy for a long time.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 16, 2020 6:50:12 GMT -5
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Post by nesportfan on Jan 16, 2020 6:58:39 GMT -5
I hope Bloom gets this right. I’m worried about the state of the team . The persistent rumors of players being traded - Betts, JBJ, Benintendi, Martinez, Price, Eovaldi, & even others and the constant call to reduce payroll - can really weigh on players and infect the clubhouse. It’s just human nature. I can easily see a disgruntled team in the Spring that opens up the season uninspired or motivated and underperforms. I think this is Blooms first big test.
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Post by huskies15 on Jan 16, 2020 9:23:51 GMT -5
Mookie Betts, player manager. Lifetime contract.
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Post by mobaz on Jan 16, 2020 11:35:38 GMT -5
I hope Bloom gets this right. I’m worried about the state of the team . The persistent rumors of players being traded - Betts, JBJ, Benintendi, Martinez, Price, Eovaldi, & even others and the constant call to reduce payroll - can really weigh on players and infect the clubhouse. It’s just human nature. I can easily see a disgruntled team in the Spring that opens up the season uninspired or motivated and underperforms. I think this is Blooms first big test. Well, that and what to do with Ryan Weber!
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Post by jbsox on Jan 16, 2020 12:07:06 GMT -5
What about Gary Disarcina? I’m kind of half kidding since he is a local boy from my hometown. However he has a lot of experience coaching/managing in our minor leagues and is familiar with a lot of our young players. He is currently the 3rd base coach of the Mets. Nah, man. I still have PTSD from my childhood self being saddled with so many repeat DiSarcina cards in Topps/Upper Deck/Fleer packs. Haha! I had some of his cards myself. While they are at it they could hire his high school teammate Tommy Glavine as the pitching coach. 😂
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Post by Guidas on Jan 16, 2020 15:42:02 GMT -5
Carlos Beltran available.
(ducks)
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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 16, 2020 16:31:16 GMT -5
no matter what people think of the findings and what Cora did, the team clearly seemed to love him a lot and believe he made a big impact on a lot of them. they need to get this next manager pick right or there could be a real loss of morale in that clubhouse.
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Post by Addam603 on Jan 17, 2020 17:21:46 GMT -5
Feel like that would be a really bad idea.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 17, 2020 23:49:32 GMT -5
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 18, 2020 0:04:25 GMT -5
Feel like that would be a really bad idea. Everyone who has ever been in a relationship has experience with this trap. "When do you go to Florida?" "February 10." "Oh good! Listen, don't feel like you need to replace the sink/hire a manager before you go. I'd like you to, sure, but that's a thing that can totally be done later." Chaim, you're a bright and charming young man and I'd hate to see you fall for this ruse.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jan 18, 2020 12:48:03 GMT -5
"I would love to if I knew it was just for a year and Cora was guaranteed to come back," Lowell said in a text to WEEI.com Saturday morning.
Interesting but seems unlikely...
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 19, 2020 23:14:52 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jan 20, 2020 16:43:06 GMT -5
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Post by azblue on Jan 21, 2020 10:58:30 GMT -5
I would like to see Ron Roenicke as the interim manager and Omar Vizquel (now a AA manager in the White Sox organization) as a new coach and possibly manager in waiting.
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Post by patford on Jan 21, 2020 21:25:48 GMT -5
My guess is the Sox under Bloom will go all in with analytics. We'll see a lot of what the Rays have been doing. That means they will look for a manager who is compliant and won't have any problem with the decisions getting passed down from the booth above the field. Likely a player friendly cheerleader type. I do dread seeing every player in the lineup having an "ie" added to his name although Mookie will escape this. So get ready for; Salesie, Davie, Raphie, Vazie, Pricie, etc.. Bogey is kind of cool though. At least for us old folks.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 22, 2020 6:43:00 GMT -5
If Roenicke is clean, I'm thinking he is the manager in 2020, with the 2021 manager as his bench coach.
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Post by jimoh on Jan 22, 2020 6:45:44 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 22, 2020 7:49:47 GMT -5
If Roenicke is clean, I'm thinking he is the manager in 2020, with the 2021 manager as his bench coach. If you know the 2021 manager, I don't get why you wouldn't just hire him for that job right now. If he's not experienced enough, I'm not sure that one season as the bench coach fixes that to any degree, especially if it's known he's the manager in waiting. It would also just make the current manager a placeholder in a sitting duck situation. Just hire the manager.
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Post by James Dunne on Jan 22, 2020 9:17:20 GMT -5
The biggest concern I have about bringing in an outsider person is the coaching staff. A new manager is going to want to (and should) bring in his own people to work with him. Roenicke, I am assuming, has a good enough working relationship with the staff and is comfortable with all of them. Would hiring him put him in an uncomfortable position where he may be a glorified interim who is managing for his job? Maybe, but basically any candidate brought in now is going to be in a bad situation of some kind.
I actually do think a year on the bench makes someone a better manager on Day 1. The grind of the job and the communication with the media is tougher than the strategy aspect, and getting someone used to that is important. Like, think about all those times a football team drafts a quarterback, but it's a really bad situation to start a rookie quarterback so they bring in a placeholder starter? Is that a bad situation for that placeholder? Only if he doesn't know the deal, right? Like, if they go to Roenicke and say "we see Varitek as the long-term answer but we think he needs experience. You're going to bridge the gap to him, and then, if you want, you can pick up a money job elsewhere or we'll give you a cushy front-office or roving instructor gig" then that's not crazy.
EDIT: My position on this might be different if I didn't think the Red Sox could compete. In that case, letting the manager learn on the job wouldn't hurt anything.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 22, 2020 12:07:27 GMT -5
I guess. But hiring a guy as the manager and pairing him with a good bench coach does something similar.
Somewhat fair point on the inherited coaching staff, but who says Roenicke wants this staff? Why isn't that the same situation a new guy would inherit?
Whoever they hire is going to have to work with this staff in 2020, after which the 2021 manager will likely make changes. Having an interim this year doesn't change that at all, so again, why bother with an interim?
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