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Pedroia Suffers "Significant" Setback With Knee Injury/Rehab
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 21, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Jan 21, 2020 10:37:10 GMT -5
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Post by TheCerebral1 on Jan 21, 2020 10:40:31 GMT -5
That is so disappointing, any player regardless of the magnitude of their impact should not have to retire due to injuries. However, if he's ready then there is a spot for him in any coaching staff or a front office.
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Post by manfred on Jan 21, 2020 11:17:46 GMT -5
I realize this is a bit crass, but if he retires, does that impact the payroll, or is he exempt for some reason?
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Post by jimed14 on Jan 21, 2020 11:18:11 GMT -5
He's going to continue getting those checks no matter what he does. He really wants to play again.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jan 21, 2020 11:46:59 GMT -5
Manny Freakin' Machado, you complete butthole.
(Is "butthole" inappropriate? If so then insert "anal sphincter" which is anatomical language and not pejorative.)
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Post by atzar on Jan 21, 2020 11:56:17 GMT -5
At this point I just hope the dude can walk normally for the rest of his life. If he gets to play baseball again, bonus.
I wish him the best.
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Post by nomar on Jan 21, 2020 12:08:58 GMT -5
There’s no reason for him to keep putting himself through this
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jan 21, 2020 12:18:01 GMT -5
There’s no reason for him to keep putting himself through this There's 12 million reasons for him to put himself through this next season.
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Post by p23w on Jan 21, 2020 12:22:11 GMT -5
Just about the last thing I wanted to hear. The ultimate gamer.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 21, 2020 12:25:38 GMT -5
Can't say it's overly surprising unfortunately. I was hoping he'd get 2 more ABs, collect 2 more hits and wind up a lifetime .300 hitter. He really has nothing else he needed to accomplish in his career.
He's a borderline HOFer at best. Probably won't make it, but who knows? He could be one of those Veterans' Committee selections 20 - 30 years from now. I certainly hope so.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 21, 2020 12:44:21 GMT -5
Bobby Orr 2
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 21, 2020 12:55:29 GMT -5
Bobby Orr 2 or Bobby Doerr 2?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 21, 2020 13:00:03 GMT -5
Bobby Orr. multiple knee operations ended his career early.
ADDED after below comments: Google:
When did Bobby Orr retire? 31 Bobby Orr officially retired at the end of the 1978 season after having had over a dozen knee surgeries. This is what ultimately led to his retirement at just the age of 31.
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Post by soxcentral on Jan 21, 2020 13:00:11 GMT -5
Just about the last thing I wanted to hear. The ultimate gamer. Agreed, one of my all-time favorite Sox players. Wishing him the best.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 21, 2020 13:06:12 GMT -5
Bobby Orr. multiple knee operations ended his career early. Thanks. Sorry for my hockey ignorance. I just learned that Orr's knees are what ended his career. I thought you meant Bobby Doerr 2 as far as being voted in via the Veterans' Committee. Doerr's career ended early too, but with him, it was back issues.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 21, 2020 13:29:47 GMT -5
Bobby Orr. multiple knee operations ended his career early. Thanks. Sorry for my hockey ignorance. I just learned that Orr's knees are what ended his career. I thought you meant Bobby Doerr 2 as far as being voted in via the Veterans' Committee. Doerr's career ended early too, but with him, it was back issues. LOL, I can come close to naming every one of Orr's Bruins teammates but offhand, couldn't name a single current player. (There are one or two that if I hear their names I would know they were Bruins).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 21, 2020 13:38:37 GMT -5
Thanks. Sorry for my hockey ignorance. I just learned that Orr's knees are what ended his career. I thought you meant Bobby Doerr 2 as far as being voted in via the Veterans' Committee. Doerr's career ended early too, but with him, it was back issues. LOL, I can come close to naming every one of Orr's Bruins teammates but offhand, couldn't name a single current player. (There are one or two that if I hear their names I would know they were Bruins). Jeez. I had no idea Orr was that young when he retired. I see those clips of the overtime goal he scored to win the Stanley Cup - I think the Bruins won in 70 and 72, but without looking it up, I'm not sure which one was the one where he basically came out of nowhere, swooped in, and scored the big goal - I'm guessing 72, the year I was born. I watched the Bruins play in the Stanley Cup against against St. Louis last year and was disappointed when they couldn't win Game 7 at home. I also watched them beat Vancouver in 2011 and lose to Chicago a couple of years later, but I'm just a fair weather fan. I actually watched hockey semi-religiously in the mid-1980s when I was a Hartford Whalers fan.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 21, 2020 13:50:14 GMT -5
LOL, I can come close to naming every one of Orr's Bruins teammates but offhand, couldn't name a single current player. (There are one or two that if I hear their names I would know they were Bruins). Jeez. I had no idea Orr was that young when he retired. I see those clips of the overtime goal he scored to win the Stanley Cup - I think the Bruins won in 70 and 72, but without looking it up, I'm not sure which one was the one where he basically came out of nowhere, swooped in, and scored the big goal - I'm guessing 72, the year I was born. I watched the Bruins play in the Stanley Cup against against St. Louis last year and was disappointed when they couldn't win Game 7 at home. I also watched them beat Vancouver in 2011 and lose to Chicago a couple of years later, but I'm just a fair weather fan. I actually watched hockey semi-religiously in the mid-1980s when I was a Hartford Whalers fan. The hockey stick from the famous shot where he's flying through the air is in my sister's trophy case. I got to meet all the Bruins somewhat regularly. My sister was close high school friends with Don Awrey's wife who was a Waltham girl. Almost all the Bruins were married and living in Canada during the off season so Waltham became the place where they socialized during the season. I can't think of any hockey player that lived with his family during the season in that era. Money wasn't that good. Several shared appartments near downtown Boston. I haven't watched much hockey since Orr left the Bruins toward the end of his career. I was right behind the bench though when Teddy Green got hammered in the head with a hockey stick from behind. You must be a Gordie Howe and sons fan.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jan 21, 2020 13:59:10 GMT -5
In an attempt to get this back on track...
I was going to push back on his being only borderline HOF, but I think that's right upon looking deeper. If not for the one MVP season in 2008 it probably wouldn't even be borderline. Definitely first ballot in the Hall of Very Good and I'd be down for retiring his number.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jan 21, 2020 14:06:34 GMT -5
In an attempt to get this back on track... I was going to push back on his being only borderline HOF, but I think that's right upon looking deeper. If not for the one MVP season in 2008 it probably wouldn't even be borderline. Definitely first ballot in the Hall of Very Good and I'd be down for retiring his number. Bottom line because of the injuries, he's had about an equivalent career to Ian Kinsler.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 21, 2020 14:18:40 GMT -5
Jeez. I had no idea Orr was that young when he retired. I see those clips of the overtime goal he scored to win the Stanley Cup - I think the Bruins won in 70 and 72, but without looking it up, I'm not sure which one was the one where he basically came out of nowhere, swooped in, and scored the big goal - I'm guessing 72, the year I was born. I watched the Bruins play in the Stanley Cup against against St. Louis last year and was disappointed when they couldn't win Game 7 at home. I also watched them beat Vancouver in 2011 and lose to Chicago a couple of years later, but I'm just a fair weather fan. I actually watched hockey semi-religiously in the mid-1980s when I was a Hartford Whalers fan. The hockey stick from the famous shot where he's flying through the air is in my sister's trophy case. I got to meet all the Bruins somewhat regularly. My sister was close high school friends with Don Awrey's wife who was a Waltham girl. Almost all the Bruins were married and living in Canada during the off season so Waltham became the place where they socialized during the season. I can't think of any hockey player that lived with his family during the season in that era. Money wasn't that good. Several shared appartments near downtown Boston. I haven't watched much hockey since Orr left the Bruins toward the end of his career. I was right behind the bench though when Teddy Green got hammered in the head with a hockey stick from behind. You must be a Gordie Howe and sons fan. I caught the very tail end of Howe's career. I was more from the mid 80s Ron Francis/Kevin Dineen/Mike Liut era of the Whalers when they were actually a respectable team. Gordie Howe actually had his restaurant in Glastonbury, CT, a town over from East Hartford, where I grew up. And yes, getting it back to baseball, I do think that Pedroia has a stronger claim on a HOF possibility than Ian Kinsler. Yeah, it's easy to see the shell of the player Kinsler was in 2018 (and man, was I mad at him for that terrible throw in Game 3 of the World Series), but he did have a strong career. But Pedroia has an MVP trophy in his case, a Rookie of the Year award, was a vital part of 2 Championship teams (did get 3 rings, though), several .300 seasons and a career average just barely under, and like Kinsler, was gold glove caliber. Pedroia was a better hitter and more consistent. As I watch Jeff Kent fail to get in, I think Pedroia will fall short, too, unfortunately, but he strikes me as a guy who will definitely get in when the Veteran's committee or whatever the hell they'll call it when Big Papi and Pedro Martinez are on it someday - decide to vote him in.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jan 21, 2020 15:31:15 GMT -5
1. No one in their right mind ever had him in the teams plans.
2. This is probably good for the team so we don’t have to pretend and waste time with him.
3. He’s not going to retire, it’ll probably be some David Wright thing where he’s just gone from the team until his contract expires.
4. Love Pedey but it’s over.
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Post by Guidas on Jan 21, 2020 15:47:13 GMT -5
No professional athlete has ever come back from microfracture surgery to play significant games or contribute in any meaningful way. Pedroia has spent his whole life defying all kinds of odds, and I am personally a huge fan, but my sense is this is the end.
I don't think he will retire, and why should he? Basically, would any of us turn down money in a work-related contract if a work-related injury kept us from completing that contract?
Only creative alternative I've toyed with is make him the manager and move that money off the 40-Man/Lux Tax and give it to him as a guaranteed manager's contract. I think he could handle the job and would do it as well as any other first-time manager, but $22M would set a crazy precedent, so I believe the Sox would be reticent to do that (and many other team owners would push back hard but screw them anyway), unless the Sox could convince him with, say, a two year managerial contract with an option for a third for $3 a year, with the rest guaranteed as structured payments over the next several years. Hey, they gotta pay him the money anyway, so it's almost like getting him for free AND it comes off the luxury tax books.
Not a bad solution that helps both him and the team with a couple urgent needs, but, like I said it's "creative" and as such, highly unlikely.
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Post by manfred on Jan 21, 2020 15:59:15 GMT -5
No professional athlete has ever come back from microfracture surgery to play significant games or contribute in any meaningful way. Pedroia has spent his whole life defying all kinds of odds, and I am personally a huge fan, but my sense is this is the end. I don't think he will retire, and why should he? Basically, would any of us turn down money in a work-related contract if a work-related injury kept us from completing that contract? Only creative alternative I've toyed with is make him the manager and move that money off the 40-Man/Lux Tax and give it to him as a guaranteed manager's contract. I think he could handle the job and would do it as well as any other first-time manager, but $22M would set a crazy precedent, so I believe the Sox would be reticent to do that (and many other team owners would push back hard but screw them anyway), unless the Sox could convince him with, say, a two year managerial contract with an option for a third for $3 a year, with the rest guaranteed as structured payments over the next several years. Hey, they gotta pay him the money anyway, so it's almost like getting him for free AND it comes off the luxury tax books. Not a bad solution that helps both him and the team with a couple urgent needs, but, like I said it's "creative" and as such, highly unlikely. This is not entirely true. Amare Stoudemire, for one, did return successfully. But it does not have a good track record.
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