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Post by mobaz on Feb 11, 2020 10:35:43 GMT -5
Details are Puello makes $625k if on major league roster, per Speirer, so a little more than the min. Solid depth where depth was lacking.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2020 11:06:39 GMT -5
That's a good signing. I wouldn't even necessarily classify him as a Quad-A guy, though he's kind of became one in the era of 13-person pitching staffs where everyones backups had to play every position. Good defender in the corners, can handle center as a backup. Not really the power for the corners, but he's patient and will make a pitcher work. Now that teams will have four-man benches again he's exactly the type who fits. His rough stretch with the Marlins looks like bad-BABIP luck, though fringy backup types needing a bit of luck to stick is not a new phenomenon. I looked closer at his OBP and it's not as respectable as it is because he draws a good deal of walks. I mean his BA is so-so and his walk total isn't that great. It's his propensity for getting hit by pitches that pulls his OBP up. The man is good at doing a Ron Hunt, getting drilled by pitches, to bolster his OBP. But at least they have a functional 4th OF for a change. Eric Van must be stoked. He was pushing for this addition. 11.6% walk rate the last two seasons at Triple-A, so he's doing a lot of both. Getting hit by 28 (?!) pitches in that time has certainly helped, but his OBP would play if it were 1/3 of that number.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 11, 2020 12:10:47 GMT -5
"Meh. Bloom continues to unimpress. Suppose he can't be any worse than JBJ, though." - someone, probably.
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Feb 11, 2020 12:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 12:13:10 GMT -5
Addition of a AAAA outfielder. Not a bad thing. Well, huzzah. I guess they have to field a team.
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Post by gerry on Feb 11, 2020 13:44:11 GMT -5
Addition of a AAAA outfielder. Not a bad thing. Well, huzzah. I guess they have to field a team. Yep. A very good team. I imagine most fans will find it easy to get behind a lineup something like Beni, Verdugo, XB, Devers, JDM, Moreland, CV, Peraza, JBJ: Chavis, Puello, Dalbec/Arauz, Plawecki = a top 5 offense. A healthy, strong and deep bullpen. A healthy rotation led by Sale, with more to come. No koolaid here. its a very good team.
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Feb 11, 2020 13:50:26 GMT -5
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Post by baseballlifer34 on Feb 11, 2020 13:50:26 GMT -5
Chavis would be probably better served in AAA to start the year with all this competition on the bench. He needs regular at bats and to prove he can stay healthy too.
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Feb 11, 2020 14:16:02 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 11, 2020 14:16:02 GMT -5
Chavis would be probably better served in AAA to start the year with all this competition on the bench. He needs regular at bats and to prove he can stay healthy too. I wouldn't assume a static starting 9, and I wouldn't assume that Chavis can't win the starting 2B job.
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Feb 11, 2020 14:32:08 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 14:32:08 GMT -5
Well, huzzah. I guess they have to field a team. Yep. A very good team. I imagine most fans will find it easy to get behind a lineup something like Beni, Verdugo, XB, Devers, JDM, Moreland, CV, Peraza, JBJ: Chavis, Puello, Dalbec/Arauz, Plawecki = a top 5 offense. A healthy, strong and deep bullpen. A healthy rotation led by Sale, with more to come. No koolaid here. its a very good team. Maybe no kool aid, but slightly rose-tinted glasses? Your assessment of the pitching is extremely optimistic. The bullpen is makeshift and led by a guy with peripherals from last year that are impossible to repeat. The staff is far worse than it was this time last year. The lineup is fine, but it must have repeat peak years from Devers and X. In other words, this is only a very good team if everyone performs at his peak best. Coordinating teamwide career years almost never happens.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 11, 2020 14:37:26 GMT -5
Do we really need people bitching about the team because of the Mookie trade in every single thread?
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 14:40:59 GMT -5
Addition of a AAAA outfielder. Not a bad thing. Eric will be happy. If by "happy," you mean "delighted," yes.
This happened 36 hours after Parasite won best picture, something I called even before it won the Screen Actor's Guild Award and went from a 6-1 longshot to 2-1.
I've now got to find a message board where I can predict that Rooney Mara will call me and ask me out.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 11, 2020 14:50:00 GMT -5
"Meh. Bloom continues to unimpress. Suppose he can't be any worse than JBJ, though." - someone, probably.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 15:14:24 GMT -5
Puello was always a guy with great defensive tools and questionable skills. Last year his numbers were excellent in SSS.
He was 7.7 Outs Above Average per 150 G (assuming that all the guys who were reported as 2 were ranked before they rounded the numbers).
If you assume he got the average boost in results from playing RF and LF instead of CF, that projects to +2 R/150 in CF (range only). However, that's really only true for guys who have experience at all three positions. If you instead assume that his unfamiliarity in the corners negated that advantage, he projects to +5 in CF.
However, he actually played CF much better than the corners last year, DRS and UZR averaging out to +5 runs (including arm) n 148 innings versus 0 or +1 in 164 in the corners. If that's for real, it projects to +11 range in CF.
The truth is somewhere in here ... but he was good last year, and maybe very good.
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Post by soxin8 on Feb 11, 2020 16:44:17 GMT -5
Impressive that Eric nailed Puello on page one of this thread.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Feb 11, 2020 17:48:16 GMT -5
"Meh. Bloom continues to unimpress. Suppose he can't be any worse than JBJ, though." - someone, probably. Art.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 11, 2020 17:52:15 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 11, 2020 19:28:14 GMT -5
Impressive that Eric nailed Puello on page one of this thread. Actually, I named him as the 4th OFer on November 2! Although I called him Puella.
I later had him as the starter if JBJ was traded and they needed somone making close to minimum.
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Feb 11, 2020 21:05:35 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Feb 11, 2020 21:05:35 GMT -5
Do we really need people bitching about the team because of the Mookie trade in every single thread? Seems germane to most roster conversations.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:45 GMT -5
If by "happy," you mean "delighted," yes.
This happened 36 hours after Parasite won best picture, something I called even before it won the Screen Actor's Guild Award and went from a 6-1 longshot to 2-1.
I've now got to find a message board where I can predict that Rooney Mara will call me and ask me out.
Can you please put in a good word with her sister Kate for me?🤑
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Post by levi on Feb 13, 2020 19:17:58 GMT -5
It seems pretty clear at this point that 3/4 of the bench is set with Plawecki, Peraza, and Pillar.
Do you all think Arauz will stick or will someone else on the roster (i.e., Lin, Chatham, or Hernandez) get the nod? Could that bench spot be filled with another FA signing like Brock Holt, Tim Beckham, or even Addison Russell? Seems like Bloom is going to have a look during ST and make a decision in a few weeks.
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Post by controne on Feb 13, 2020 19:44:36 GMT -5
I read a couple of weeks ago that the Sox signed Ryder Jones (3B) to a MiLB contract but I don't see anything about it on the site. Did that not really happen?
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Feb 13, 2020 21:19:22 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 13, 2020 21:19:22 GMT -5
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Feb 14, 2020 11:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 14, 2020 11:20:06 GMT -5
Yeah and I think the report was based on Jones' own IG.
It's not official anywhere I've looked, so that's why we don't have it yet. We should probably add him as a projected signing on the 2020 projections.
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Feb 14, 2020 12:08:40 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 14, 2020 12:08:40 GMT -5
It seems pretty clear at this point that 3/4 of the bench is set with Plawecki, Peraza, and Pillar. Do you all think Arauz will stick or will someone else on the roster (i.e., Lin, Chatham, or Hernandez) get the nod? Could that bench spot be filled with another FA signing like Brock Holt, Tim Beckham, or even Addison Russell? Seems like Bloom is going to have a look during ST and make a decision in a few weeks. Looks to me like they could use a lefty infield bat who can pinch hit for 2B/Catcher on occasion. If Hernandez rebounded that would be great, but likely too optimistic. Arauz or Lin stepping into that role is likely expecting too much from their bat. Holt probably makes the most sense - unless they have the $$ earmarked for someone else.
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 14, 2020 15:48:05 GMT -5
It seems pretty clear at this point that 3/4 of the bench is set with Plawecki, Peraza, and Pillar. Do you all think Arauz will stick or will someone else on the roster (i.e., Lin, Chatham, or Hernandez) get the nod? Could that bench spot be filled with another FA signing like Brock Holt, Tim Beckham, or even Addison Russell? Seems like Bloom is going to have a look during ST and make a decision in a few weeks. Looks to me like they could use a lefty infield bat who can pinch hit for 2B/Catcher on occasion. If Hernandez rebounded that would be great, but likely too optimistic. Arauz or Lin stepping into that role is likely expecting too much from their bat. Holt probably makes the most sense - unless they have the $$ earmarked for someone else. Bobby Dalbec looks likely to become the 4th guy at some point, because if Chavis breaks out enough offensively to be a better platoon option than Dalbec at 1B (and occasionally 3B), then he's your starting 2B. So you can ask what sort of player would best fill that role in the interim, but he's going to be a placeholder.
What complicates the situation is Verdugo starting the season on the DL. In that case, you have two spots open. I don't think Puello fills a spot, because he's out of options and might not pass through waivers. Even if that's unlikely, the difference between him and whoever's on the bench instead (e.g. Andreoli as the 4th OFer) for a couple of weeks is microscopic. The hope is that Puello impresses enough in AAA that he becomes a viable option in 2021, or this year if there's a major injury.
So you have two roster spots for Lin, Arauz, and Andreoli (who has two options left and hence has a good shot at being the up-and-down OFer that they lacked the last couple of years). You'd have to make a 40-man move to add Andreoli, or Marco Hernandez if he looks significantly better than Lin. The easy thing to do would be to just keep Lin and Arauz, but as I explained on the first page, there's not a lot of PT there.
Two years ago they won 108 games with a bench that essentially consisted of Sandy Leon (although he actually started more games than Vazquez), Brock Holt / Eduardo Nunez (0.2 WAR combined at starting 2B / backup MI), Hanley Ramirez -> Steve Pearce, and Blake Swihart. Kevin Plawecki, Michael Chavis / Jose Peraza, Kevin Pillar, and x -> Bobby Dalbec looks like a substantial upgrade. In 2018, 2B + the bench was barely above replacement level, excluding pitch-framing. Nunez had a lot to do with that.
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Post by jimoh on Feb 18, 2020 6:55:18 GMT -5
Looks to me like they could use a lefty infield bat who can pinch hit for 2B/Catcher on occasion. If Hernandez rebounded that would be great, but likely too optimistic. Arauz or Lin stepping into that role is likely expecting too much from their bat. Holt probably makes the most sense - unless they have the $$ earmarked for someone else. Bobby Dalbec looks likely to become the 4th guy at some point, because if Chavis breaks out enough offensively to be a better platoon option than Dalbec at 1B (and occasionally 3B), then he's your starting 2B. So you can ask what sort of player would best fill that role in the interim, but he's going to be a placeholder.
What complicates the situation is Verdugo starting the season on the DL. In that case, you have two spots open. I don't think Puello fills a spot, because he's out of options and might not pass through waivers. Even if that's unlikely, the difference between him and whoever's on the bench instead (e.g. Andreoli as the 4th OFer) for a couple of weeks is microscopic. The hope is that Puello impresses enough in AAA that he becomes a viable option in 2021, or this year if there's a major injury.
So you have two roster spots for Lin, Arauz, and Andreoli (who has two options left and hence has a good shot at being the up-and-down OFer that they lacked the last couple of years). You'd have to make a 40-man move to add Andreoli, or Marco Hernandez if he looks significantly better than Lin. The easy thing to do would be to just keep Lin and Arauz, but as I explained on the first page, there's not a lot of PT there.
Two years ago they won 108 games with a bench that essentially consisted of Sandy Leon (although he actually started more games than Vazquez), Brock Holt / Eduardo Nunez (0.2 WAR combined at starting 2B / backup MI), Hanley Ramirez -> Steve Pearce, and Blake Swihart. Kevin Plawecki, Michael Chavis / Jose Peraza, Kevin Pillar, and x -> Bobby Dalbec looks like a substantial upgrade. In 2018, 2B + the bench was barely above replacement level, excluding pitch-framing. Nunez had a lot to do with that.
Thanks for making the argument for Andreoli. Which are you giving up between Lin (no options) and Arauz (Rule 5)? Could Lin sneak through and re-sign after being let go, or would he?
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