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Post by soxcentral on Feb 10, 2020 9:07:00 GMT -5
Right? That remaining list is brutal. Was asking because I noticed more people voted for FA signing than anyone else, so if that was your vote who exactly should be signed?
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 9:13:06 GMT -5
I believe Bloom believes in & wants Weber as a SP
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 10, 2020 9:21:55 GMT -5
He's obviously not moving the needle on this specific team which probably needs to find something in the neighborhood of 400 decent innings somewhere, but I honestly think Collin McHugh is average in general and possibly better than that with a normal baseball. And there's a chance he's toast, but this is the right team to give a chance to someone who might be toast. He's the only one on that list I'd give an MLB deal to without much hesitation. Good point, and also someone that might fetch something at the deadline if he pitches well and we're out of it. A very Tampa Bay-style signing if they think he's got something.
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Post by soxcentral on Feb 10, 2020 9:23:28 GMT -5
I believe Bloom believes in & wants Weber as a SP Are you basing this on anything other than instinct? I've actually heard that a lot about Weber this winter, but then realized it was you that brought it up every single time.
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Post by mobaz on Feb 10, 2020 9:35:25 GMT -5
A shocking number of solid 2B left over.
I think they should guarantee money to Taijuan Walker and then pick up an Aaron Sanchez type. Seems smarter than relying on Houck Shawaryn etc.
Also, did I have a stroke? I have ZERO memory of Andrew Cashner being on the Red Sox last season. Just completely disappeared from my memory, and only figured it out when I was wandering B-R wondering if he had any good years recently.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Feb 10, 2020 9:57:41 GMT -5
A shocking number of solid 2B left over. I think they should guarantee money to Taijuan Walker and then pick up an Aaron Sanchez type. Seems smarter than relying on Houck Shawaryn etc. Also, did I have a stroke? I have ZERO memory of Andrew Cashner being on the Red Sox last season. Just completely disappeared from my memory, and only figured it out when I was wandering B-R wondering if he had any good years recently. Yeah !!! He was there. Began as a starter then moved to the pen. He was doing real well with Orioles but could not get it together with Sox. Where there is smoke there is fire, I think he would be a good fit on a low end 1 yr deal. Hopefully though, the Sox will begin with the four we know, cobble together the 5th spot from bull pen guys and work on finding a healthy, cost controlled starter for the middle of the rotation.
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Post by Costigan on Feb 10, 2020 10:15:05 GMT -5
A shocking number of solid 2B left over. I think they should guarantee money to Taijuan Walker and then pick up an Aaron Sanchez type. Seems smarter than relying on Houck Shawaryn etc. Also, did I have a stroke? I have ZERO memory of Andrew Cashner being on the Red Sox last season. Just completely disappeared from my memory, and only figured it out when I was wandering B-R wondering if he had any good years recently. Aaron Sanchez may not pitch in 2020 due to a torn capsule in his shoulder, just as a heads up. I'd be interested in giving him a cheap 2 year deal to see if we can get something out of him in 2021 possibly. If a trade isn't made for a pitcher, I'd be interested in bringing in Cashner or Vargas just have someone eat innings or provide some competition in the #5 spot.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 10, 2020 11:06:28 GMT -5
He's obviously not moving the needle on this specific team which probably needs to find something in the neighborhood of 400 decent innings somewhere, but I honestly think Collin McHugh is average in general and possibly better than that with a normal baseball. And there's a chance he's toast, but this is the right team to give a chance to someone who might be toast. He's the only one on that list I'd give an MLB deal to without much hesitation. He's a decent bullpen play, but I think only that. He was given one more run as a starter by the Astros last year, it went badly, and they never gave him another shot at it despite churning through a bunch of other guys and eventually going out and getting Greinke. Rich Hill exists so never say never I guess, but within the realm of realistic outcomes I see him as a pure reliever at this point.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 10, 2020 11:38:18 GMT -5
He's obviously not moving the needle on this specific team which probably needs to find something in the neighborhood of 400 decent innings somewhere, but I honestly think Collin McHugh is average in general and possibly better than that with a normal baseball. And there's a chance he's toast, but this is the right team to give a chance to someone who might be toast. He's the only one on that list I'd give an MLB deal to without much hesitation. He's a decent bullpen play, but I think only that. He was given one more run as a starter by the Astros last year, it went badly, and they never gave him another shot at it despite churning through a bunch of other guys and eventually going out and getting Greinke. Rich Hill exists so never say never I guess, but within the realm of realistic outcomes I see him as a pure reliever at this point. Maybe. He had four straight excellent starts, then had a four-start stretch in late April and early May where eight out of 35 fly balls went out of the ballpark. He gave up 24 runs in 18 innings in those four starts, and had a 2.38 ERA in the rest of his 56 2/3 innings. And, like I said, if he's toast as a starter then so what? You move him to the bullpen where he's arguably their best reliever.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2020 11:47:17 GMT -5
I believe Bloom believes in & wants Weber as a SP Are you basing this on anything other than instinct? I've actually heard that a lot about Weber this winter, but then realized it was you that brought it up every single time. It is kind of telling that after all of the removals on the 40 man that Ryan freaking Weber has survived every single one!
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Post by ramireja on Feb 10, 2020 13:39:29 GMT -5
At this point with extra cap space, I'd be for signing two FAs. Preferably one with upside on a 2-yr deal...so Walker and Sanchez seem like the best fits there (Sanchez w/ potential payoff in 2021). Salazar would seem to be an upside play too but his FB velocity was about 10mph below his career averages last year so I'm out on him unless the Sox know something about velocity returning. The other FA would be expected to contribute to 2020 only. I'd rank those options currently as McHugh, Cashner, then Cahill.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2020 18:39:00 GMT -5
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 19:35:45 GMT -5
Bring back Lester
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 20:19:05 GMT -5
Hearing Chaim Bloom talk today gives great insight into his logic & plan concerning the starting pitching staff.
It’s clear he values flexibility & depth and wants long-term sustainability. Also, that he is prioritizing talent rather than adding a specific pitcher to the rotation.
I don’t think he has a plan or a clue what to do about the pitching staff.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2020 20:36:52 GMT -5
Hearing Chaim Bloom talk today gives great insight into his logic & plan concerning the starting pitching staff. It’s clear he values flexibility & depth and wants long-term sustainability. Also, that he is prioritizing talent rather than adding a specific pitcher to the rotation. I don’t think he has a plan or a clue what to do about the pitching staff. You literally just said his plan and then in the next sentence said he doesn’t have a plan.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 20:41:10 GMT -5
Hearing Chaim Bloom talk today gives great insight into his logic & plan concerning the starting pitching staff. It’s clear he values flexibility & depth and wants long-term sustainability. Also, that he is prioritizing talent rather than adding a specific pitcher to the rotation. I don’t think he has a plan or a clue what to do about the pitching staff. You literally just said his plan and then in the next sentence said he doesn’t have a plan. Correct, because it’s not a plan. It’s spin... Crash Davis couldn’t of taught him better
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2020 20:47:19 GMT -5
You literally just said his plan and then in the next sentence said he doesn’t have a plan. Correct, because it’s not a plan. It’s spin Bloom is prioritizing flexibility and depth. He’s revamping the back end of the pitching depth on the roster. That’s literally a plan.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 20:51:01 GMT -5
It’s what you do when you have no real plan. Then you put a spin on it. And hope... hope the fan base buys it. Apparently you have. I’m not buying it.
Saying you value flexibility & depth & long term sustainability & are prioritizing talent is spin.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 10, 2020 20:56:43 GMT -5
Correct, because it’s not a plan. It’s spin Bloom is prioritizing flexibility and depth. He’s revamping the back end of the pitching depth on the roster. That’s literally a plan. In theory. He really hasn't done much with the pitching depth to date. So we can't exactly bank on that.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 10, 2020 21:01:02 GMT -5
It’s what you do when you have no real plan. Then you put a spin on it. And hope... hope the fan base buys it. Apparently you have. I’m not buying it. It’s not a spin. It’s the way that successful teams construct their roster. Bloom isn’t going to trade for all stars every two weeks. It’s a process. The Red Sox don’t have the prospects to make any major trades and they’re being fiscally responsible. Plus, there’s no one else on the market that’s really going to move the needle.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 21:03:58 GMT -5
It’s spin. Believe it if you want to.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 10, 2020 21:16:16 GMT -5
Saying you value flexibility & depth & long term sustainability & are prioritizing talent is spin. It's also basically ripped out of Andrew Friedman's playbook, no?
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Post by kingstephanos on Feb 10, 2020 21:19:47 GMT -5
It’s what you do when you have no real plan. Then you put a spin on it. And hope... hope the fan base buys it. Apparently you have. I’m not buying it. Saying you value flexibility & depth & long term sustainability & are prioritizing talent is spin. While I can be just as cynical as the next person - projecting abject criticism against Bloom without having observed any on-field production is pretty dumbfounding. If you remember correctly fans and the media excoriated Epstein for trading away "Nomah" - our best hitter since Boggs - but given time, that pragmatic baseball move worked. Even though we have our 'binkees' that we idolize and fawn over, pragmatism is usually a better course of action over romanticism - especially in team sports where getting rid of a player 1 year too early is preferable over 1 year too late.
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Post by dmaineah on Feb 10, 2020 21:19:48 GMT -5
Saying you value flexibility & depth & long term sustainability & are prioritizing talent is spin. It's also basically ripped out of Andrew Friedman's playbook, no? It’s ripped out of everybody’s playbook.... the cliche playbook....it’s spin
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 10, 2020 21:28:47 GMT -5
I think the plan is to take advantage of the goodwill built up from 4 WS wins in 14 years, and one two years ago, and hope the fans roll with what appears to be a transition year.
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