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Post by jbsox on Feb 5, 2020 9:29:26 GMT -5
Let me start off by saying I’m wearing a Mookie shirt today while working from home. 😔
We have to move on somehow, and one of my first thoughts is I believe we are now roughly 20 mil below the tax line, and how should this be managed.
We could try extending one of several players like Devers, Erod, Beni, even JBJ or relievers Workman and Barnes. Securing at least a couple of these guys would give us more security going forward. What about re-signing Holt. Would love to bring him back. Maybe take a flyer on someone like Puig. We obviously need another starter now. Maybe Houck gets that chance, and we could sign 1 or 2 more guys to cheap deals.
I’m curious how people would manage the remaining flexibility we have now under the luxury tax.
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Post by bellhorndingers21 on Feb 5, 2020 9:41:13 GMT -5
McHugh on a 1 year deal and one/both of Salazar and Walker on MLFA deals with opt outs. The past health of the starting rotation is concerning so depth would be nice. Hopefully Houck, Mata and Ward continue to progress in the upper minors and depth would allow them to continue to develop without being rushed, a very Rays approach.
Hopefully Devers would accept a Bregman like deal in spring training. After that sit back and reevaluate things come June. Capitalize on teams with their own payroll issues around the deadline. Go crazy in November.
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Post by jbsox on Feb 5, 2020 11:38:07 GMT -5
McHugh on a 1 year deal and one/both of Salazar and Walker on MLFA deals with opt outs. The past health of the starting rotation is concerning so depth would be nice. Hopefully Houck, Mata and Ward continue to progress in the upper minors and depth would allow them to continue to develop without being rushed, a very Rays approach. Hopefully Devers would accept a Bregman like deal in spring training. After that sit back and reevaluate things come June. Capitalize on teams with their own payroll issues around the deadline. Go crazy in November. Regarding Devers and an extension this year I think it would put us dangerously close to or going over the tax. Maybe we’ll need to wait a year on him (and Beni too to see if he improves?) when we are more willing to go over the tax again. i believe Erod is now making 9.5 mil. An extension for him say 20 mil year may be more feasible, and allow us stay under the tax. I would even consider JBJ, Workman, and Barnes for extensions if it’s very reasonable and team friendly allowing them to stay under the tax. Maybe they would be worth a little in a potential future trade if they are locked into a deal for a while. I’m curious how Chaim deals with Sale and/or Eovaldi. If we aren’t truly contenders this year, and either one regains value does he capitalize on it in a trade, or hold on. I really hope he can bring back Holt. I’d be fine with those type of deals for starting pitching. If any has the exact amount we are under the tax now feel free to post it here. I saw a figure we are aprox. 20 mil under now.
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Post by manfred on Feb 5, 2020 11:39:54 GMT -5
Why bring back Holt? He doesn’t help them not be a mid-80 win team, costs money, and the idea of keeping guys because they are beloved is out the window. Seems like a good chance to maintain savings.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 5, 2020 11:48:51 GMT -5
Like I said in a different thread, I'd be all for Puig on a short term contract. He has a lot of haters, but I like his intensity and weirdness. He'd be a good platoon bat in the outfield who would get semi-regular playing time.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 5, 2020 11:56:49 GMT -5
Now that Bloom has got the Mookie trade out of the way, I would like to see him trade for a cheap starter still under control. The Pirates seem to be rebuilding and I would love to see someone lkke Groome moved for Musgrove who is under control for 3 more yrs. I think Bloom will now make a bunch more trades to pair salary and form this team for the future
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Post by libertine on Feb 5, 2020 12:03:13 GMT -5
I will be operating under the premise that I will be rooting for a small market team. This will be the first of many departures of higher priced on field talent. Why hire Bloom away from Tampa if a small market operating system wasn't/isn't the plan?
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Post by libertine on Feb 5, 2020 12:07:18 GMT -5
Now that Bloom has got the Mookie trade out of the way, I would like to see him trade for a cheap starter still under control. The Pirates seem to be rebuilding and I would love to see someone lkke Groome moved for Musgrove who is under control for 3 more yrs. I think Bloom will now make a bunch more trades to pair salary and form this team for the future Trade more prospects?
I would rather we held on to Groome, and all the better prospects, finish in the cellar for a handful of years and accumulate a bunch of high draft picks to restock the system...I'd just assume they trade Xander and Devers at this point as opposed to any more prospects (and, no, I don't want the club to trade those guys).
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Post by manfred on Feb 5, 2020 12:08:13 GMT -5
Like I said in a different thread, I'd be all for Puig on a short term contract. He has a lot of haters, but I like his intensity and weirdness. He'd be a good platoon bat in the outfield who would get semi-regular playing time. Why though? To go from 85 wins to 87?
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Post by jbsox on Feb 5, 2020 12:11:07 GMT -5
Why bring back Holt? He doesn’t help them not be a mid-80 win team, costs money, and the idea of keeping guys because they are beloved is out the window. Seems like a good chance to maintain savings. If we are on the verge of a wild card birth he is the type of player you like having around, he can plug in holes almost anywhere, and a great clubhouse guy to have around.
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Post by manfred on Feb 5, 2020 12:12:22 GMT -5
Why bring back Holt? He doesn’t help them not be a mid-80 win team, costs money, and the idea of keeping guys because they are beloved is out the window. Seems like a good chance to maintain savings. If we are on the verge of a wild card birth he is the type of player you like having around, he can plug in holes almost anywhere, and a great clubhouse guy to have around. Do you think this team is a WC team? I do not. Nor do I think Holt makes an ounce of difference one way or the other.
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Post by jbsox on Feb 5, 2020 12:15:54 GMT -5
If we are on the verge of a wild card birth he is the type of player you like having around, he can plug in holes almost anywhere, and a great clubhouse guy to have around. Do you think this team is a WC team? I do not. Nor do I think Holt makes an ounce of difference one way or the other. Stranger things have happened (look at 2013 team), and Sale, Erod, and Eovaldi have the potential of a strong starting 3 in the playoffs, and our offense is still pretty solid. Hold out hope until the deadline, and can always trade off more pieces to retool then if you want.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 5, 2020 12:16:22 GMT -5
Like I said in a different thread, I'd be all for Puig on a short term contract. He has a lot of haters, but I like his intensity and weirdness. He'd be a good platoon bat in the outfield who would get semi-regular playing time. Why though? To go from 85 wins to 87? Entertainment purposes if nothing else.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 5, 2020 12:16:40 GMT -5
McHugh on a 1 year deal and one/both of Salazar and Walker on MLFA deals with opt outs. The past health of the starting rotation is concerning so depth would be nice. Hopefully Houck, Mata and Ward continue to progress in the upper minors and depth would allow them to continue to develop without being rushed, a very Rays approach. Hopefully Devers would accept a Bregman like deal in spring training. After that sit back and reevaluate things come June. Capitalize on teams with their own payroll issues around the deadline. Go crazy in November. Regarding Devers and an extension this year I think it would put us dangerously close to or going over the tax. Maybe we’ll need to wait a year on him (and Beni too to see if he improves?) when we are more willing to go over the tax again. i believe Erod is now making 9.5 mil. An extension for him say 20 mil year may be more feasible, and allow us stay under the tax. I would even consider JBJ, Workman, and Barnes for extensions if it’s very reasonable and team friendly allowing them to stay under the tax. Maybe they would be worth a little in a potential future trade if they are locked into a deal for a while. I’m curious how Chaim deals with Sale and/or Eovaldi. If we aren’t truly contenders this year, and either one regains value does he capitalize on it in a trade, or hold on. I really hope he can bring back Holt. I’d be fine with those type of deals for starting pitching. If any has the exact amount we are under the tax now feel free to post it here. I saw a figure we are aprox. 20 mil under now. They could announce a Devers extension the day after the season begins and it wouldn't count toward this year's luxury tax computations.
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Post by jbsox on Feb 5, 2020 12:20:24 GMT -5
Regarding Devers and an extension this year I think it would put us dangerously close to or going over the tax. Maybe we’ll need to wait a year on him (and Beni too to see if he improves?) when we are more willing to go over the tax again. i believe Erod is now making 9.5 mil. An extension for him say 20 mil year may be more feasible, and allow us stay under the tax. I would even consider JBJ, Workman, and Barnes for extensions if it’s very reasonable and team friendly allowing them to stay under the tax. Maybe they would be worth a little in a potential future trade if they are locked into a deal for a while. I’m curious how Chaim deals with Sale and/or Eovaldi. If we aren’t truly contenders this year, and either one regains value does he capitalize on it in a trade, or hold on. I really hope he can bring back Holt. I’d be fine with those type of deals for starting pitching. If any has the exact amount we are under the tax now feel free to post it here. I saw a figure we are aprox. 20 mil under now. They could announce a Devers extension the day after the season begins and it wouldn't count toward this year's luxury tax computations. Ahh good to know. Thanks! 👍
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 5, 2020 12:24:03 GMT -5
They could announce a Devers extension the day after the season begins and it wouldn't count toward this year's luxury tax computations. Ahh good to know. Thanks! 👍 I had forgotten, but was reminded about it, but they did the same thing with Adrian Gonzalez in 2011. They signed him to a big extension the day after the season began and it didn't count until 2012 - and of course they traded him as it worked out.
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Post by manfred on Feb 5, 2020 12:26:20 GMT -5
Do you think this team is a WC team? I do not. Nor do I think Holt makes an ounce of difference one way or the other. Stranger things have happened (look at 2013 team), and Sale, Erod, and Eovaldi have the potential of a strong starting 3 in the playoffs, and our offense is still pretty solid. Hold out hope until the deadline, and can always trade off more pieces to retool then if you want. It would be quite a story if an 84-win team traded its #2 starter and best player and got better.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 5, 2020 12:26:45 GMT -5
Burn it all down with no regard for this season or next. Trade literally anyone on the roster if you think it's good value. Who cares, this team isn't good, and if they didn't believe this core could contend with Mookie and Price there's no reason to believe the 2021 team should contend either.
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Post by brendan98 on Feb 5, 2020 12:37:16 GMT -5
Burn it all down with no regard for this season or next. Trade literally anyone on the roster if you think it's good value. Who cares, this team isn't good, and if they didn't believe this core could contend with Mookie and Price there's no reason to believe the 2021 team should contend either. I remember a team in 2013 that wasn't supposed to contend either. Just sayin.
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Post by manfred on Feb 5, 2020 12:40:10 GMT -5
Burn it all down with no regard for this season or next. Trade literally anyone on the roster if you think it's good value. Who cares, this team isn't good, and if they didn't believe this core could contend with Mookie and Price there's no reason to believe the 2021 team should contend either. I remember a team in 2013 that wasn't supposed to contend either. Just sayin. Thank god they didn’t trade Papi before that season.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 5, 2020 12:42:45 GMT -5
The last couple times I've logged onto the forums I saw this thread and my eyes read it "Post Malone" instead of "Post Mookie" (the Syracuse newspaper inexplicably writes a lot of Post Malone stories). So anyway, not only do I have no more Mookie, I've also been brain-tricked into thinking about Post Malone multiple times today. An even rougher morning than it needed to be!
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Post by awall on Feb 5, 2020 13:23:40 GMT -5
The last couple times I've logged onto the forums I saw this thread and my eyes read it "Post Malone" instead of "Post Mookie" (the Syracuse newspaper inexplicably writes a lot of Post Malone stories). So anyway, not only do I have no more Mookie, I've also been brain-tricked into thinking about Post Malone multiple times today. An even rougher morning than it needed to be! and you are in Syracuse in winter? oof.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 5, 2020 13:34:35 GMT -5
Why though? To go from 85 wins to 87? Entertainment purposes if nothing else. A couple wins doesn't matter that much for the draft unless the team is really awful. The potential to bring in even one decent prospect if he does well I think easily outweighs moving the Red Sox from the 14th pick to the 15th or something.
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Post by chr31ter on Feb 5, 2020 13:39:05 GMT -5
I will be operating under the premise that I will be rooting for a small market team. This will be the first of many departures of higher priced on field talent. Why hire Bloom away from Tampa if a small market operating system wasn't/isn't the plan? Possible that Henry wants Bloom to do for the Red Sox what Friedman has done for the Dodgers?
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Post by jdb on Feb 5, 2020 13:39:12 GMT -5
I could see some 1 year deals like Aaron Sanchez to start and not sure how many spots are up for grabs. If we are still under I’d like to buy some prospects if it’s a one year deal. Mets could want to get rid of Lowrie.
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