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Post by Addam603 on Feb 8, 2020 19:24:34 GMT -5
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Post by chrisfromnc on Feb 8, 2020 19:48:39 GMT -5
3.3 million this season and 6.6 next season. His projected arbitration number was 4.9
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Post by bigpapiortiz on Feb 8, 2020 19:51:01 GMT -5
I love this deal and would bet on AB having a very good season with lessened pressure to produce. Chalk one up for Bloom!
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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 8, 2020 19:59:11 GMT -5
Great deal. Surprised its only 2 years where he is so young, but still good for both sides.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 8, 2020 23:16:12 GMT -5
3.3 million this season and 6.6 next season. His projected arbitration number was 4.9 Projection doesn't really matter at this point. Benintendi filed at $4.15 million; Red Sox filed at $3.4 million. It's clearly a situation where they asked him to take the lower figure this year for a guarantee for next. Helps them with the CBT this year.
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Post by Edward Hand on Feb 8, 2020 23:27:22 GMT -5
Seems like a good deal for both parties. Wonder if they'll give him a long-term extension after next season.
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Post by bosox on Feb 9, 2020 0:47:13 GMT -5
3.3 million this season and 6.6 next season. His projected arbitration number was 4.9 Projection doesn't really matter at this point. Benintendi filed at $4.15 million; Red Sox filed at $3.4 million. It's clearly a situation where they asked him to take the lower figure this year for a guarantee for next. Helps them with the CBT this year. Given that it's a 2yr $10million deal, isn't it a 5m AAV now for this year?
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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 9, 2020 4:55:24 GMT -5
Projection doesn't really matter at this point. Benintendi filed at $4.15 million; Red Sox filed at $3.4 million. It's clearly a situation where they asked him to take the lower figure this year for a guarantee for next. Helps them with the CBT this year. Given that it's a 2yr $10million deal, isn't it a 5m AAV now for this year? I may be wrong but I believe it is about $3.5m this year, and around $6.5m next season. I'm not exactly sure where it would matter, but someone will know on this forum. I would guess the Sox are just trying to get every inch of room possible this year luxury tax wise, and next year there is more flexibility.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 9, 2020 7:18:49 GMT -5
Projection doesn't really matter at this point. Benintendi filed at $4.15 million; Red Sox filed at $3.4 million. It's clearly a situation where they asked him to take the lower figure this year for a guarantee for next. Helps them with the CBT this year. Given that it's a 2yr $10million deal, isn't it a 5m AAV now for this year? That's what I was thinking.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 9, 2020 9:03:14 GMT -5
Given that it's a 2yr $10million deal, isn't it a 5m AAV now for this year? That's what I was thinking. Ah. Good point. Never mind then.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 9, 2020 11:11:09 GMT -5
This looks like a sign they think the Mookie/Price deal will get done. Adds a bit more to the tax for this year (which they don't expect to be paying) and lessens the tax hit next year when they're presumably over.
Hopefully there are 1-2 more extensions coming as the Red Sox should be 15-20 mil under still (assuming the trade financials aren't changed)
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 9, 2020 11:12:29 GMT -5
It would be a total disaster if Benintendi wasn't going to get more than $5M next season, so they should at least save some money on the 2nd year.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 11:05:41 GMT -5
One thing I really don’t understand is why Benintendi has struck out so often compared to his profile in his days as a prospect. I get that he wasn’t going to strike out 5-10% of the time like the minors, but I never thought he’s be a 20%+ K guy. His power doesn’t play well even in this juiced ball environment, so it seems to me he should be focus on LD and making more contact. His best tool was his hit tool as a prospect and he’s kind of let it fall to the wayside.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 12, 2020 11:09:22 GMT -5
One thing I really don’t understand is why Benintendi has struck out so often compared to his profile in his days as a prospect. I get that he wasn’t going to strike out 5-10% of the time like the minors, but I never thought he’s be a 20%+ K guy. His power doesn’t play well even in this juiced ball environment, so it seems to me he should be focus on LD and making more contact. His best tool was his hit tool as a prospect and he’s kind of let it fall to the wayside. The thing is, he really didn't until this year. 17% in 2017, 16% in 2018, which are quite good and right in line with what you'd have projected when they called him up. Then it ballooned to 22.8% in 2019.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 11:11:46 GMT -5
One thing I really don’t understand is why Benintendi has struck out so often compared to his profile in his days as a prospect. I get that he wasn’t going to strike out 5-10% of the time like the minors, but I never thought he’s be a 20%+ K guy. His power doesn’t play well even in this juiced ball environment, so it seems to me he should be focus on LD and making more contact. His best tool was his hit tool as a prospect and he’s kind of let it fall to the wayside. The thing is, he really didn't until this year. 17% in 2017, 16% in 2018, which are quite good and right in line with what you'd have projected when they called him up. Then it ballooned to 22.8% in 2019. Yeah that’s fair 16 and 17% are good, especially for this era. I know everyone blames his additional muscle for a lot of his shortcomings last year. I’m skeptical of the conclusion personally. But I do think there’s a lot on untapped potential there, although he’s so far removed from his prospect days that it’s getting harder to see him realizing it.
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Post by manfred on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:03 GMT -5
The thing is, he really didn't until this year. 17% in 2017, 16% in 2018, which are quite good and right in line with what you'd have projected when they called him up. Then it ballooned to 22.8% in 2019. Yeah that’s fair 16 and 17% are good, especially for this era. I know everyone blames his additional muscle for a lot of his shortcomings last year. I’m skeptical of the conclusion personally. But I do think there’s a lot on untapped potential there, although he’s so far removed from his prospect days that it’s getting harder to see him realizing it. Yeah, I’m not so bullish on Beni anymore. I think he’s solid, doesn’t hurt you anywhere and all... but I worry there is not the next step many of us (myself certainly included) hoped for. He may just be somewhere between last year and the year before. That is pretty good, but still... mildly disappointing.
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Post by gerry on Feb 12, 2020 11:26:54 GMT -5
So happy that 2019 is long gone, and Sox players spent the offseason getting physically back to health, as well as working on personal improvements. Beni has made himself more streamlined. Have read similar stories about Devers, Chavis, Eovaldi.
After 2019’s fail, the players probably have worked themselves into “the best shape of their lives.” With a deliberate return to health and with even average imorovements, I do think we can expect positive regression from much of this team. Beni isn’t the only one with a goal to improve.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 11:33:12 GMT -5
Yeah that’s fair 16 and 17% are good, especially for this era. I know everyone blames his additional muscle for a lot of his shortcomings last year. I’m skeptical of the conclusion personally. But I do think there’s a lot on untapped potential there, although he’s so far removed from his prospect days that it’s getting harder to see him realizing it. Yeah, I’m not so bullish on Beni anymore. I think he’s solid, doesn’t hurt you anywhere and all... but I worry there is not the next step many of us (myself certainly included) hoped for. He may just be somewhere between last year and the year before. That is pretty good, but still... mildly disappointing. I don’t want to overreact. There’s still time, he’s only heading into his age 26 season, and he’s still just one year removed from a very good 2018 season. I do want to see some traceable offensive adjustments lead to improvement this year though, because I think his defense and base running are what they are.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 18, 2020 13:09:10 GMT -5
With or without a QO, Brantley is not a good fit. He bats left handed and doesn't solve the CF problem. He would only be a good fit if we dumped Benni and picked up another outfielder who plays centerfield. With or without a QO, Brantley is not a good fit. He bats left handed and doesn't solve the CF problem. He would only be a good fit if we dumped Benni and picked up another outfielder who plays centerfield. There's a stopgap coming there. Heck, instead of trading Benintendi for a SP (if no one wants to give up pitching for instance), maybe you trade Benintendi for a more versatile outfielder who can play CF and RF. A lot of options there. I'd probably pick Brantley over Ozuna or Benintendi if you stuck a gun to my head on who I would want as a LF right now. He's definitely the most dependable. I like the idea of signing best player available (with no QO attached), and seeing where your options are with trade afterwards (when it comes to Benintendi). Benintendi might not have a ton of value on the Sox, but maybe a team like the Mariners (for instance) who are just trying to acquire young available talent with upside could see a lot more value. You don't trade Benintendi. You fix him. Prescription:
1) See a sports psychologist 2) Work all winter on a diet / exercise program to recover foot speed and hence defensive value 3) Work all winter to recover the stroke you had in 2018 and early 2019 4) See a sports psychologist
5) Stop trying to hit situationally with the bases empty or when runners can be moved over 6) Be put in a non-pressure part of the order, i.e., 7th, to star the year 7) See a sports psychologist
Benny career wOBA before 2019:
.313 bases empty. No splits by number of outs. .375 just a runner on first .405 RISP. That ranked 9th in MLB (2016-18) out of 220 players.
There is a pretty good suggestion that the difference between second and third line represents trying to move a runner over when he's not going that well at the plate.
Splits as a leadoff hitter in April and May of 2019
.158 (43 PA) leading off the game .128 (19 PA) runner on 1st, < 2 out .423 (145 PA) otherwise.
Interestingly, the last line includes a .427 in 86 PA with the bases empty. IOW, after his horrendous first PA, his lifelong split with the bases empty disappeared! It's as if he said, fuck it, I'm not trying to just get on base here now, after how much that messed me up in the first.
I wasn't going to do this, but I'm curious. 2018, after they demoted him from leadoff on 5/31:
.318 (207 PA) bases empty .355 (78 PA) man on 1B only .339 (94 PA) RISP
Not much to see there, except that he reverted to his career level with the bases empty and failed to hit way better with runners on, for the first time in his career. He never looked right at the plate.
Between Bloom having a ton of other stuff on his plate when he arrived, the Cora situation, and COVID, I think there was no opportunity to devote as much attention to fixing Benny as they would have liked. But look at those numbers. They back up our initial sense that he can be one of the best hitters in MLB. You have to give that at least one more shot.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Oct 18, 2020 14:02:03 GMT -5
Either way you have 2 years of Benintendi max, I think.
You're picking players to sign long term.
You have Sale and Xander already signed.
You still need Verdugo, Eduardo Rodriguez, and Devers signed.
I don't see the room in the budget long term for Benintendi. The question is who is better short term when it came to the let's go shopping thread.
You can go with the more risky Benintendi or go with the sure thing in Brantley is what I brought up.
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Post by azblue on Oct 18, 2020 16:03:07 GMT -5
Eric, I would add one thing to your offseason "to do" list for Benintendi--see a sports psychologist.
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Post by manfred on Oct 18, 2020 21:05:19 GMT -5
I agree completely with Eric’s list. I feel like Beni was hurt by bulking up. I’d prefer he hit .300 to trying to hit 30 HRs. Regain your speed, athleticism, even if it means being undersized and slightly underpowered.
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Post by greenmonster on Oct 18, 2020 21:30:20 GMT -5
I was in attendance for an early 2019 spring training game and was shocked at how fat Benny was. It was NOT added muscle it was extra weight in the legs & a$$. The spin was that he "bulked up" but he was just out of shape. He trimmed down some as the season progressed, but didn't appear to have worked very hard over the off-season. My opinion is that he has never had to work to be good, always got by with his natural athleticism. I'm not sure if that is psychologist thing but couldn't hurt to try one. Similar situation may have also been a factor in his 2020 injury. Not very active during the covid shut-down and then tried to ramp up quickly during the abbreviated training period and ended up pulling his oblique.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 18, 2020 21:40:09 GMT -5
His sophomore year breakout is attributed to the fact he worked his ass off in the weight room over the summer before when he couldn't play summer ball due to an injury. To suggest he's never had to work hard is nonsense.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 18, 2020 21:41:58 GMT -5
You guys are missing the obvious. He's Sampson. The decline started when he cut his flow.
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