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Post by Ryanod1 on Feb 11, 2020 22:46:49 GMT -5
Pillar as a 4th OF sounds good to me. I am pretty interested in Puello though too. Only downside to adding Pillar was that I was hoping to see what Nick Longhi could do. He doesn't give us the versatility and defense of course, but he can play both corners and 1st base. So maybe complement a left handed Moreland here and there.
Yes I know that Longhi was not a guarantee to make it to majors this year, but he should at least be fairly close. Point is I hope they give him an opportunity at some point.
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Feb 11, 2020 23:04:08 GMT -5
Think flipping JBJ to the Pirates for 2 low A pitching Then fill in for the Angles in that dead with the Dodges in a salary dump Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling plus newly inquiring Brusdar Graterol for Matt Barnes and C J Chatham ??!!!!!!
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Post by congusgambler33 on Feb 11, 2020 23:09:55 GMT -5
Think flipping JBJ to the Pirates for 2 low A pitching Then fill in for the Angles in that dead with the Dodges in a salary dump Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling plus newly inquiring Brusdar Graterol for Matt Barnes and C J Chatham What? ?
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Post by malynn19 on Feb 12, 2020 0:21:52 GMT -5
Think flipping JBJ to the Pirates for 2 low A pitching Then fill in for the Angles in that dead with the Dodges in a salary dump Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling plus newly inquiring Brusdar Graterol for Matt Barnes and C J Chatham As soon as OOTP 21 comes out this can be done, but make sure it's on COMMISSIONER MODE first.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Feb 12, 2020 1:21:25 GMT -5
Think flipping JBJ to the Pirates for 2 low A pitching Then fill in for the Angles in that dead with the Dodges in a salary dump Joc Pederson and Ross Stripling plus newly inquiring Brusdar Graterol for Matt Barnes and C J Chatham Trade Jbj to Pittsburgh for two low a pitchers Replace the angels as the receiving team in the salary dump trade of joc pederson and Stripling. Trade Matt Barnes and Chatham for Graterol
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Post by marrcus on Feb 12, 2020 3:46:47 GMT -5
If JBJ isn't too costly to go anywhere, I'll be surprised. I think RS are stuck and hope he gets off to a decent start.
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Post by Smittyw on Feb 12, 2020 7:39:29 GMT -5
Fan reaction appears to be positive...I think John Henry is safe to move forward.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 12, 2020 7:53:47 GMT -5
If JBJ isn't too costly to go anywhere, I'll be surprised. I think RS are stuck and hope he gets off to a decent start. At 11 million you can't move him unless it's a comparable contract. Now eat half the money and all of a sudden he has some okay value.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2020 9:30:31 GMT -5
After looking at Baseball Savant for awhile, it appears that Puello is the better option. Pillar has been absolutely average defensively in the last two years. They both have pretty much identical batting projections. Puello seems to be a slightly to better defensive player.
But having two of them is better than one. I've wanted a backup RH OF to play CF and RF for years and finally get my wish.
I'm excited to not see JDM in the outfield much and to not see Benintendi in CF.
I find it a little strange how much leaking of Red Sox rumors there has been this year. This is the kind of move that just gets announced. Why would it take more than 15 hours to finalize a deal for Pillar?
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2020 9:33:26 GMT -5
If JBJ isn't too costly to go anywhere, I'll be surprised. I think RS are stuck and hope he gets off to a decent start. At 11 million you can't move him unless it's a comparable contract. Now eat half the money and all of a sudden he has some okay value. Or just wait until the trade deadline when 2/3rds of the salary has been paid.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 9:53:14 GMT -5
Pillar and Puello give us two guys that can field all 3 OF positions and hit LHP. I like having that sort of depth. Pillar may be average in CF now but he’s probably crush it in either corner in a pinch. Puello doesn’t have a long MLB track record either so it’s nice to have multiple options there.
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Post by hank on Feb 12, 2020 10:53:50 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I think the Red Sox needed Pillar to feel comfortable trading JBJ. They might have to eat a bit of his salary but I can see another shoe dropping
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 12, 2020 10:56:02 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 10:58:40 GMT -5
I could be wrong but I think the Red Sox needed Pillar to feel comfortable trading JBJ. They might have to eat a bit of his salary but I can see another shoe dropping JBJ’s value at his AAV is pretty much nothing as a rental. Bloom is probably better off just waiting and hoping he has a great first half so he can sell high at the deadline.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2020 11:00:26 GMT -5
This makes sense to me if the deal is 3 million or less. Just like adding Dozier or Holt make sense if they come dirt cheap. Like James said a while back and I really agree with, it's not bad to have Chavis start in the minors working on 2B D and maybe OF D.
Then add a few starters. I want Walker like everyone else, that just makes sense. Yet adding a Cashner, Vargas, Hellickson, Estrada, or even Santana makes sense if they are healthy.
Bloom is building up quality depth. It's taken a long time, yet he has made it happen. Just a few more players to go Mr. GM.
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Post by manfred on Feb 12, 2020 11:00:34 GMT -5
Pillar and Puello give us two guys that can field all 3 OF positions and hit LHP. I like having that sort of depth. Pillar may be average in CF now but he’s probably crush it in either corner in a pinch. Puello doesn’t have a long MLB track record either so it’s nice to have multiple options there. “Hit” left handers. Pillar has a .766 career OPS vs. lefties, which is fine but hardly a huge plus. Puello in his limited time has inverse splits with poor vs. lefty numbers (.217/.357/.348). These seems like strangely redundant signings, but so trivial that it doesn’t much matter. If they play any real role, something bad has happened.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 11:03:15 GMT -5
Pillar and Puello give us two guys that can field all 3 OF positions and hit LHP. I like having that sort of depth. Pillar may be average in CF now but he’s probably crush it in either corner in a pinch. Puello doesn’t have a long MLB track record either so it’s nice to have multiple options there. “Hit” left handers. Pillar has a .766 career OPS vs. lefties, which is fine but hardly a huge plus. Puello in his limited time has inverse splits with poor vs. lefty numbers (.217/.357/.348). These seems like strangely redundant signings, but so trivial that it doesn’t much matter. If they play any real role, something bad has happened. JBJ had a 67 wRC+ against LHP so even 100 would be a big just vs LHP. We need to find marginal improvement wherever possible so I can see the use.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 12, 2020 11:08:08 GMT -5
This does give Bloome an opportunity to consider trading Bradley for pitching. Pillar can help bridge the gap until Duran is ready.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 12, 2020 11:11:14 GMT -5
This does give Bloome an opportunity to consider trading Bradley for pitching. Pillar can help bridge the gap until Duran is ready. Neither Pillar or Puello should be a starter. This is for a 4th outfielder only.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Feb 12, 2020 11:20:13 GMT -5
As much as I like Pillar. I wouldn't mind seeing them give Rusney another shot. They're well under 208. Not a great player but if he plays halfway decent maybe they could flip him for a lotto ticket at the deadline?
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 12, 2020 11:22:09 GMT -5
Bob Nightengale @bnightengale Outfielder Kevin Pillar will sign a one-year Major League contract with the #Redsox and join the team for tneir first full-squad workout Hopefully it's a contract like Moreland. Around 3 million w a team option would be nice
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 12, 2020 11:24:10 GMT -5
Pillar and Puello give us two guys that can field all 3 OF positions and hit LHP. I like having that sort of depth. Pillar may be average in CF now but he’s probably crush it in either corner in a pinch. Puello doesn’t have a long MLB track record either so it’s nice to have multiple options there. This is the kind of smart depth building that never happened under Dombrowski. I'd presumably be happy to see it, had the Red Sox not killed the part of my soul that experiences happiness.
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Post by nomar on Feb 12, 2020 11:28:38 GMT -5
Pillar and Puello give us two guys that can field all 3 OF positions and hit LHP. I like having that sort of depth. Pillar may be average in CF now but he’s probably crush it in either corner in a pinch. Puello doesn’t have a long MLB track record either so it’s nice to have multiple options there. This is the kind of smart depth building that never happened under Dombrowski. I'd presumably be happy to see it, had the Red Sox not killed the part of my soul that experiences happiness. Lol no worries your soul is like the arm of a starfish. It’ll grow back But I’m right with you on the depth front. We have been so bad at accumulating it. I think that has also played a large part in our lackluster bullpen game in recent years. Depth may not be exciting, but filling in holes is the best way to add wins in an inexpensive manner.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 12, 2020 12:04:11 GMT -5
I'm so confused at the repeated DD didn't add depth crap. He signed Nunez for 2 years 9 million after 1.6, .9 and 1.2 bwar seasons the last three years before the signing. He had Holt. Finally gave Swihart a chance, stashed Leon in minors. Resigned Pearce after a 1.5 bwar season and WS MVP. Had guys like Walden, Taylor, Hernandez and Chavis in the minors that helped fill in depth wise. We all hoped Pedroia was going to come back after a full season from surgery. It didn't workout, everything that could go wrong went wrong.
The biggest issue being starting pitching depth and a year later we currently have worse starting pitching depth. I'm so confused at the DD depth bashing. It's not like we didn't have depth, just everything that could go wrong did. This is Baseball it happens all the time. I sure hope it doesn't happen, but the same thing could happen this year. Heck people were talking about our rotation last year maybe being the best in the league. You don't hear that this year.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 12, 2020 12:07:51 GMT -5
The weird thing with Dombrowski is that he did a good job adding depth in-season, when it's harder to do (Nunez, Pearce, Eovaldi for example) and then in the off-season when depth was plentiful, he... he just signed the guys he already had to expensive deals.
Not sure why you think stashing Leon is a *positive* for Dombrowski. I mean, I guess the stashing part itself was fine, but then deciding two weeks later that a guy who couldn't hit and couldn't get a major league deal should be the backup catcher gets pretty directly to the frustrations with him. Leon's probably something like the 150th best catcher alive, which is a credit to him. But he fact that he so often landed on the guy who was already there was the problem. When they won with holes, instead of filling them he just sort of assumed that those holes must not be so deep that they were an impediment.
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