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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 9, 2020 22:12:30 GMT -5
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 10, 2020 1:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2020 6:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2020 8:00:40 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2020 8:21:48 GMT -5
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Jun 10, 2020 9:36:19 GMT -5
It's very odd that the majority of mocks have the Sox going Abel but Law is firm in his belief that they won't go prep arm. I would be pretty content with any of the guys I've seen the Sox linked to, which is a nice feeling.
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Post by nomar on Jun 10, 2020 9:46:08 GMT -5
Abel, Sabato, Howard, or Crochet are my preferences, but should be interesting regardless!
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jun 10, 2020 9:55:55 GMT -5
Happy Draft Day guys!
Bailey would not excite me it would be kind of a bummer to be honest. On Mitchell I don’t want a guy that has to rework his whole swing to get more out of it. Does he have more upside than a guy like Jarren Duran or Gilberto Jimenez? We have that type of player in the system already. I was out on PCA earlier but reports that he has gotten bigger and is more impactful I’m more open to that now.
Really I’m hoping for Sordestrom now. Really like his bat.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Jun 10, 2020 10:30:06 GMT -5
I would like any in this group, but would prefer pitching. One good thing to come out of no 2nd rounder is it allows us to pick a higher upside player at 1 or rd 3. I think that one of the big issues with our drafts has been not taking the big upside player, but staying a little safer. I would be more than fine taking a swing and a miss vs another bullpen/#4 pitcher. The Sox can afford to take this risk a little where they have a pretty set infield, and have OF prospects not far off. Pitching is a huge weak spot for now, but taking prep arms can pay off so much bigger. Most of the best teams now are built with pitchers they took by taking this risk....granted a lot have been from super high draft picks.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2020 10:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by nomar on Jun 10, 2020 10:49:56 GMT -5
Tucker would be a huge bummer if they don't get someone huge in the 3rd from it IMO |
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 10, 2020 11:12:41 GMT -5
Tucker...Bailey??? Jesus what’s going on...hopefully just noise.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 10, 2020 11:15:18 GMT -5
With the short draft and no 2nd round pick, the underslot approach seems very confusing.
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Post by kman22 on Jun 10, 2020 11:20:26 GMT -5
Also based on the rumors they list, Foscue, Soderstrom, Crochet, and Sabato all go before the Red Sox pick, plus they have the Angels punting and taking Bowser. That would mean someone falls, with at least 3 of those guys being newly mocked to the top 16 in the last 24 hours.
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Post by ramireja on Jun 10, 2020 11:35:39 GMT -5
My draftday Top 10 draftboad (i.e., a good exercise in putting something in writing and being able to look back on this in a few years):
I'm assuming that Torkelson, Martin, Lacy, Hancock, Veen, Meyer, Detmers, Kjerstad, and Hassell are off the board by #17. If any one of those were to drop surprisingly, they would be my pick at #17 with the exception of maybe Kjerstad and Detmers who might slot toward the middle of my top 10. Honestly, haven't followed any of these guys too closely because I haven't seen them drop to #17 in any recent mock drafts.
1. Pete Crow-Armstrong
2. Nick Bitsko
3. Mick Abel
4. Garrett Crochet
5. Tanner Burns (the placement of everyone else on this list assumes equal signability at our slot position. Burns I like here only assuming he's signable between $3.0M-$3.2M tops)
6. Austin Hendrick
7. Jared Kelly
8. Ed Howard
9. Garrett Mitchell
10. Tyler Soderstrom
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Post by bluechip on Jun 10, 2020 11:36:40 GMT -5
With the short draft and no 2nd round pick, the underslot approach seems very confusing. I tend to agree, but with the limited scouting of 2020, doesn’t a more risk adverse drafting approach make sense? |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2020 11:44:05 GMT -5
Going underslot in the first could have a few underlying assumptions: 1) They really like the depth in the draft and think there will be great value in the 3rd and 4th if they have extra money to spend. 2) The first round is more of a crapshoot this year because teams didn't have a spring to scout guys. (Consider a point that came up with Carlos on the podcast - if this happened in 2015, Andrew Benintendi might not even have been picked, or if he did, it would've been an ENORMOUS value for wherever he was selected, because it wouldn't have been 7th overall.) 3) They got enough of a read on the guy they're picking in the first that they think they're getting a guy who might've moved up into that spot anyway with a full spring, but getting him at a lower price. ---- Also, I rounded up all the mocks here: news.soxprospects.com/2020/06/2020-draft-mock-draft-round-up.htmlHuge S/O to Michael (vermontsox1) who I basically just copied all that from.  |
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Post by bluechip on Jun 10, 2020 12:07:10 GMT -5
2) The first round is more of a crapshoot this year because teams didn't have a spring to scout guys. (Consider a point that came up with Carlos on the podcast - if this happened in 2015, Andrew Benintendi might not even have been picked, or if he did, it would've been an ENORMOUS value for wherever he was selected, because it wouldn't have been 7th overall.) That’s my question, do they really feel comfortable taking a high school player based upon his high school junior year and 2019 show cases? College players should have up to an additional three years of scouting reports, and are at a more mature stage physically. |
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Post by tyler3 on Jun 10, 2020 12:29:42 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jun 10, 2020 12:44:43 GMT -5
Haven't seen much Bryce Jarvis discussion around here. Gammons had a great article on the Athletic about him. He's really improved his stuff each year during his three years at Duke. The past 3 months he's been working out at a Driveline facility in Florida and submitting his trackman data (which apparently has been stellar) to teams. He's a name I would be pleasantly surprised with.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2020 12:45:46 GMT -5
2) The first round is more of a crapshoot this year because teams didn't have a spring to scout guys. (Consider a point that came up with Carlos on the podcast - if this happened in 2015, Andrew Benintendi might not even have been picked, or if he did, it would've been an ENORMOUS value for wherever he was selected, because it wouldn't have been 7th overall.) That’s my question, do they really feel comfortable taking a high school player based upon his high school junior year and 2019 show cases? College players should have up to an additional three years of scouting reports, and are at a more mature stage physically. I guess my response is that this disparity is there every year. While there might be a slightly higher risk to high school players this year, it might also mean that a guy who might've gone earlier is now slipping to them as well. It's all about good scouting. For example, I remember one story about Michael Bowden back in the day. He had a game that a ton of scouts were at where his velo was way down. Turned out that it was because he had patched holes in his home's driveway that day for his mother's birthday gift and was wiped. I don't quite recall if this is the case, but I think the Red Sox either found that out by talking to him or went to another outing where his velo was up, so they got the real story. That's not to suggest that the Red Sox scouts are perfect, but just to say there is more to scouting than watching the guy's last game, and the teams that do it well are going to have a bigger advantage than usual this year. |
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 10, 2020 12:47:06 GMT -5
What time are we going to pick any guesses?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jun 10, 2020 12:54:16 GMT -5
Gun to my head I'll guess sometime around 8:25?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jun 10, 2020 13:04:31 GMT -5
I just went and looked back at last year's thread....looks like #17 was at some point between 9:15-9:30pm. Everything was super slow last year though so who knows.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Jun 10, 2020 13:22:16 GMT -5
With the short draft and no 2nd round pick, the underslot approach seems very confusing. Agree...That approach is extremely risky as you could get stuck with a less talented first round pick while guys you thought you could draft and sign go off the board between the Red Sox 1st and 3rd round picks. Anything other than best player available with the 1st round pick would be real risky. |
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